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Jack Trades posted:They said they were moving CC away from DPS, which is entirely reasonable. So are they gonna make Mei a tank now?
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Cpt_Obvious posted:So are they gonna make Mei a tank now? That wouldn't be unreasonable.
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Apr 21, 2022 13:12
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headcase posted:Well I don't remember it being marketed as an FPS and only 4/~30 characters have a somewhat traditional ranged hitscan so it can't be. It's more of a challenge mode "you can try to play an FPS in a non FPS game, but good luck with it." I mean the first set of hero’s were a majority ports of TF2 characters, Road hog, Soldier 76, Zarya, McCree, Zen, Lucio, Winston, and Reinhardt. Outside of Rein and Winston, the rest are 100% fps characters. Just because they aren’t CoD/CS assault rifles doesn’t mean they aren’t FPS like. Quake and UT have a lot of non rifle weapons and they are 100% FPS games.
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headcase posted:Well I don't remember it being marketed as an FPS and only 4/~30 characters have a somewhat traditional ranged hitscan so it can't be. It's more of a challenge mode "you can try to play an FPS in a non FPS game, but good luck with it." Apex has two hitscan weapons out of 28, is it not an FPS? TF2 is still the closest comparison to Overwatch that I can think of but that game is very different in ways that don't really fly in the current industry. More players, dedicated servers, progression not directly tied to performance etc. Afaik Engineer and Spy weren't viable in competitive TF2 and there's a whole slew of weapon loadouts that weren't competitive but who cares when the game that most people will be playing is a casual clusterfuck. This doesn't work in a ranked matchmaking scenario especially when the characters are distinct personalities that people can latch on, so there's always been friction between FPS and uhh not-FPS players with Blizzard managing to mostly please neither. We'll see how OW2 pans out.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:So are they gonna make Mei a tank now? Jack Trades posted:That wouldn't be unreasonable. AFAIK they've tested moving Mei into the tank role but couldn't get it right so they changed her freeze to a slow.
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Apr 21, 2022 13:55
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Cpt_Obvious posted:So are they gonna make Mei a tank now? She’s practically a tank already, according to their new idea of what a tank is. Low damage, CC and disruptive abilities, can make herself tougher temporarily. She doesn’t have a barrier for her team to be behind, but they seem to consider that optional now*. * I have a sneaky suspicion that, when OW2 comes out, the tanks who still have barriers (so maybe just Rein?) will suddenly be the only tanks anyone ever plays; cue shocked Pikachu face from the devs
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megane posted:She’s practically a tank already, according to their new idea of what a tank is. Low damage, CC and disruptive abilities, can make herself tougher temporarily. She doesn’t have a barrier for her team to be behind, but they seem to consider that optional now*. It is so important to be able to hold space without feeding ult. It's definitely the best ability in the game since ults are so important and objectives are so important.
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Apr 21, 2022 14:28
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idk if they're still doing this but they were also testing tanks giving less ult-charge in OW2.
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Sakara123 posted:
 solution would be to litter maps with immobile Orisa Classic-style barriers that enter a cool down once broken before reforming.Is there still no word on the PvE campaign beyond 'delayed?'
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Arzachel posted:Apex has two hitscan weapons out of 28, is it not an FPS? It depends the style of TF2. They are played full time in Highlander. In 6s, Spy and engineer are viable in competitive, but only at certain points. Their limited mobility means they aren’t always ran outside of last holds and stalemates. That’s more of a map pool issue that 6s coalesced around instead of a problem with the classes themselves.
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Apr 21, 2022 15:15
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I'm going to miss notorious war criminal Mei.
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Apr 21, 2022 15:25
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mcbexx posted:I'm going to miss notorious war criminal Mei.  There are some bad Sombras out there, let me tell you. They're coming over the border and taking our teleporter technologies! They're throwers, they're smurfs, they're carried. And some, I assume, are good hackers. Build. The. Wall! Build. The. Wall!
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https://twitter.com/KirstenGrind/status/1517143508410257412 lmao
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Yeah, Blizzard's gonna Blizz. https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1517130449298075655?t=HmqZn1eD9qdzUAUuYBrkpw&s=19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXbHkUp2izk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8auFAjOk3Qw New Doom and new Orisa look fun???
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iunBOn439dc Sojourn looks like she's gotta be tuned down a bit lol
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I still want a hero with a real ironsight rifle like COD2. Ashe's feels more like a scope. I want very fast scoping with very little zoom and FOV change and you actually the use the sight on the gun illustration to line things up. Feels better to me.
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https://twitter.com/OverwatchNaeri/status/1517178683525832709
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Junkrat's trap is a slow now instead of a full stop. Booo! Boooo!!!!!
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Apr 21, 2022 19:32
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....That's barely worth using.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:....That's barely worth using. Yeah, they probably should have killed McCree off instead of renaming him and reimagining whatever ... this is. Reserving final judgement until it's out, but all of what I've seen so far looks like steps down from what I actually enjoyed. So many heroes were valid counterpicks, all this looks so ... arbitrary and boring. Bleh. Maybe it's just me, but I for one do not want to basically relearn a game. mcbexx fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Apr 21, 2022 |
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I'm still cracking up at Orisa getting a spinning cane and whoever tf came up with that ideaheadcase posted:I still want a hero with a real ironsight rifle like COD2. Ashe's feels more like a scope. I want very fast scoping with very little zoom and FOV change and you actually the use the sight on the gun illustration to line things up. Feels better to me. New map: Stalingrad
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Macaluso posted:Junkrat's trap is a slow now instead of a full stop. Booo! Boooo!!!!! 
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As someone who just found this game 9 months ago and is hooked. What is CC you guys always reference?
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Crowd Control, meaning stuns/slows or other movement impairing effects. They're widely hated by the community, but they're also kind of unavoidable because OW uses instant acceleration movement and tiny hitboxes so without them a lot of stuff would just never die.
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Man all this looks awful. If all you wanted Was Pure Shootman why not play something that has better shooting instead of gutting everything remotely interesting.
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mcbexx posted:Yeah, they probably should have killed McCree off instead of renaming him and reimagining whatever ... this is. IMO I'm happy with drastic reworks, but they've got to be interesting or fun. Giving McCree a Halo sticky bomb that does less damage than a headshot gives him....what exactly? Why would I want that? Is that significantly different from soldier's rocket launcher? It looks flatout worse. Like, I get that CC is annoying as hell. I play tank (Rein and ball, mostly). But McCree is one of the slowest characters in the game and his flashbang has a very short range to it. Is there really a need to ditch it entirely? vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv I must have missed when that happened. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Apr 21, 2022 |
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Cpt_Obvious posted:....That's barely worth using. It's not as bad as when Geoff effectively ruined Roadhog bad enough to make picking him a kickable offense, but it's pretty close.
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Father Wendigo posted:He better get two simultaneous traps with faster cool down for this besmirchment. My absolute favorite thing in the world was doing a trap + mine combo off to the side on King's Row if I was defending, and if they had a tracer they would 100% of the time get trapped and I'd instantly detonate the mine and kill them. It was hilarious every single time.
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ImpAtom posted:Man all this looks awful. If all you wanted Was Pure Shootman why not play something that has better shooting instead of gutting everything remotely interesting. That's basically what happened between Valorant and Apex and I definitely wonder about the wisdom of going after that section of the playerbase instead of the people still enjoying the game. It's also Blizz's focus on the pro-scene coming out because pros have generally been the loudest voices about not adding CC and increasing the lethality/decreasing healing and generally just minimizing the extent that the game is decided by ultimates. That said, a bunch of those pros are now competing in other games instead.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:That's basically what happened between Valorant and Apex and I definitely wonder about the wisdom of going after that section of the playerbase instead of the people still enjoying the game.
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Here's a cuuuhrazeh idea! Maybe DPS characters not being able to do literally everything is in fact a good idea?
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With all the stuns turning to slows, I wonder if it could actually be less pleasant in some cases. With the right team, how long could you keep someone continuously in mud? Also there is less reason to save your slows to counter an ult or charge. Might as well keep the tank permaslowed.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Crowd Control, meaning stuns/slows or other movement impairing effects. They're widely hated by the community, but they're also kind of unavoidable because OW uses instant acceleration movement and tiny hitboxes so without them a lot of stuff would just never die. Appreciate it!
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm still cracking up at Orisa getting a spinning cane and whoever tf came up with that idea the wild creativity necessary to give an African character "spear, but futuristic", where do they come up with these original concepts
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Cpt_Obvious posted:....That's barely worth using. idk this looks fun: https://twitter.com/BadPachimari/status/1517211402532016128
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:the wild creativity necessary to give an African character "spear, but futuristic", where do they come up with these original concepts how many of the black characters have 'runs faster' or 'jumps higher' as part of their kit
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Pattonesque posted:idk this looks fun: It's Tracer's ult with more range, no damage and it makes them slower. Yay? They could have kept it as as a flashbang that didn't stop someone from moving and just slowed them down/blinded them.
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Nutsak posted:It's Tracer's ult with more range, no damage and it makes them slower. Yay? IDK it looks like it does quite a bit there? I'm not sure what the number is but that Lucio looked pretty healthy when he got bombed
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