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HashtagGirlboss: Jan 4, 2005

shrike82 posted:

my theory is that the base rate of nutters is similar across most demographics (journos, SA posters, people in general etc) - it's just that the visiblity for nutty journos is higher for obvious reasons

we have a decently high rate of oddball posters too - isn't it likely that the past week's DDOS stuff was some poster with a grudge?

I feel like beyond likely and almost entirely certain. I can�t imagine who else would care enough about this forum to DDOS it. SA�s general relevance to the rest of the internet hasn�t exactly been a rising stock in the last decade

# ? Apr 20, 2022 14:37

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 12:38

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

shrike82 posted:

my theory is that the base rate of nutters is similar across most demographics (journos, SA posters, people in general etc) - it's just that the visiblity for nutty journos is higher for obvious reasons

we have a decently high rate of oddball posters too - isn't it likely that the past week's DDOS stuff was some poster with a grudge?

Didn't someone file a lawsuit about how it's a tort that people don't want him to post here?

# ? Apr 20, 2022 14:47

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1516650806619086855?t=dSVBQmsi7ZcKc8Jvyjmd-Q&s=19

incredible

# ? Apr 20, 2022 14:48

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

you can maybe actually feel the reporter and editor fighting on that paragraph

# ? Apr 20, 2022 14:52

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

people who have been described as fascists (by themselves)

# ? Apr 20, 2022 15:32

Best Friends: Nov 4, 2011

it�s misinformation to call these guys nazis. misinformation so insidious, they themselves also believe they are nazis

# ? Apr 20, 2022 16:10

DoubleDonut: Oct 22, 2010; Fallen Rib

shrike82 posted:

my theory is that the base rate of nutters is similar across most demographics (journos, SA posters, people in general etc) - it's just that the visiblity for nutty journos is higher for obvious reasons

we have a decently high rate of oddball posters too - isn't it likely that the past week's DDOS stuff was some poster with a grudge?

I think it�s probably worse for journalists. all you need to post on SA is ten dollars and an internet connection; to be a �successful� journalist you need parents who can afford for you to live in NYC or LA while making barely any money, while being surrounded by people who do the same or are just rich themselves

# ? Apr 20, 2022 16:20

Peggotty: May 9, 2014

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1516650806619086855?t=dSVBQmsi7ZcKc8Jvyjmd-Q&s=19

How long until they call them People of Ideology

# ? Apr 20, 2022 18:03

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

Laterite posted:

artificial vanilla-flavored fascism when madagascar's ongoing drought inevitably wipes out plant production

artisinal small-batch responsibly-sourced fascism

Real hurthling! posted:

the ending to a cnn opinion called "the most dangerous person in the world: a young man whos broke and alone"

This is lifted directly from 4chan or some other incel forum

# ? Apr 20, 2022 18:12

smug jeebus: Oct 26, 2008

What Incel would do any of that?

# ? Apr 20, 2022 18:19

Apraxin: Feb 22, 2006; General-Admiral

this genuinely might be the most insufferable article i've ever read
https://twitter.com/jhensonpogue/status/1516818348624908291?cxt=HHwWhsCoqY2Q6YwqAAAA

just left a hipster coffee shop, packed with podcasters whispering about what a commendable job mencius moldbug did with his race-based iq theory

# ? Apr 20, 2022 18:20

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

what

# ? Apr 20, 2022 18:23

Eason the Fifth: Apr 9, 2020

I'm afraid this generation sucks, frankly

# ? Apr 20, 2022 18:45

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

Yeah that article was painful to read. So many stupid parts it's hard not to just c/p the whole thing.

quote:

I was looking around the party for Vance, who hadn�t arrived yet, when Milius nudged me and pointed to a table off to our left. �Why is it that whenever I see Curtis, he�s surrounded by a big table of incels?� she asked with apparent fondness. I spotted Yarvin, a slight, bespectacled man with long dark hair, drinking a glass of wine with a crowd that included Josh Hammer, the national conservatism�minded young opinion editor of Newsweek, and Michael Anton, a Machiavelli scholar and former spokesman for Trump�s National Security Council�and a prominent public intellectualizer of the Trump movement. Other luminaries afoot for the conference included Dignity author Chris Arnade, who seemed slightly unsure about the whole NatCon thing, and Sohrab Ahmari, the former opinion editor of the New York Post, now a cofounder and editor at the new magazine Compact, whose vision is, according to its mission statement, �shaped by our desire for a strong social-democratic state that defends community�local and national, familial and religious�against a libertine left and a libertarian right.� It is a very of-the-moment project.

Groovelord Neato has issued a correction as of 18:57 on Apr 20, 2022

# ? Apr 20, 2022 18:55

Zeroisanumber: Oct 23, 2010; Nap Ghost

Hold on I'm gonna blow your mind with my article about young, self-involved sociopaths living in Manhattan.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 18:59

damn horror queefs: Oct 14, 2005; say hello
say hello to the man in the elevator

All the cool kids are regressive mushbrained weirdos who don't gently caress.

Get with the times, old man

# ? Apr 20, 2022 19:00

Dr. Killjoy: Oct 9, 2012

yuppie conservativism makes the baby frog guys seem almost human

# ? Apr 20, 2022 19:07

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

Dr. Killjoy posted:

yuppie conservativism makes the baby frog guys seem almost human

The guy who's their "intellectual" core is lamer than all the pepes combined.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 19:09

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

Peggotty posted:

How long until they call them People of Ideology

People Of Cross-marks

# ? Apr 20, 2022 20:07

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

With regards to ukraine, there are many fine people on both sides

# ? Apr 20, 2022 20:10

Laterite: Mar 14, 2007; It's Gutfest '89; Grimey Drawer

Apraxin posted:

this genuinely might be the most insufferable article i've ever read
https://twitter.com/jhensonpogue/status/1516818348624908291?cxt=HHwWhsCoqY2Q6YwqAAAA

just left a hipster coffee shop, packed with podcasters whispering about what a commendable job mencius moldbug did with his race-based iq theory

even bret easton ellis thinks this is overwrought

# ? Apr 20, 2022 20:13

PERPETUAL IDIOT: Sep 12, 2003

Apraxin posted:

this genuinely might be the most insufferable article i've ever read
https://twitter.com/jhensonpogue/status/1516818348624908291?cxt=HHwWhsCoqY2Q6YwqAAAA

just left a hipster coffee shop, packed with podcasters whispering about what a commendable job mencius moldbug did with his race-based iq theory

These guys are sooo last year, everyone is converting to Orthodox Christianity now. Like, oh, did you celebrate Easter this past Sunday? Oooo-k, Grandpa.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 20:42

exmarx: Feb 18, 2012; The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

lol chris arnade? the guy who takes photos of people at mcdonald's???

# ? Apr 20, 2022 20:46

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

To its credit (?) NYT actually has some reporting on the Thiel-aligned conservatives and who and what their money is funding:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/politics/republican-donors-rockbridge-network-trump.html

quote:

Dissatisfied With Their Party, Wealthy Republican Donors Form Secret Coalitions
Eager to offset a Democratic advantage among so-called dark money groups, wealthy pro-Trump conservatives like Peter Thiel are involved in efforts to wield greater influence outside the traditional party machinery.

A new coalition of wealthy conservative benefactors that says it aims to �disrupt but advance the Republican agenda� gathered this week for a private summit in South Florida that included closed-door addresses from former President Donald J. Trump and an allied Senate candidate at Mr. Trump�s Mar-a-Lago club, according to documents and interviews.

The coalition, called the Rockbridge Network, includes some of Mr. Trump�s biggest donors, such as Peter Thiel and Rebekah Mercer, and has laid out an ambitious goal � to reshape the American right by spending more than $30 million on conservative media, legal, policy and voter registration projects, among other initiatives.

The emergence of Rockbridge, the existence of which has not previously been reported, comes amid escalating jockeying among conservative megadonors to shape the 2022 midterms and the future of the Republican Party from outside the formal party machinery, and often with little disclosure.

In February, another previously unreported coalition of donors, the Chestnut Street Council, organized by the Trump-allied lobbyist Matt Schlapp, held a meeting to hear a pitch for new models for funding the conservative movement.
If those upstart coalitions gain momentum, they will likely have to vie for influence among conservatives with existing donor networks that have been skeptical of or agnostic toward Mr. Trump.

One that was created by the billionaire industrialists Charles G. and David H. Koch spent more than $250 million in 2020. Another, spearheaded by the New York hedge fund billionaire Paul Singer, hosted top Republican politicians in February.
The surge in secretive fund-raising does not end there � a number of nonprofit groups with varying degrees of allegiance to Mr. Trump are also vying to become leading distributors of donor funds to the right.

Taken together, the jockeying highlights frustration on the right with the political infrastructure that surrounds the Republican Party, and, in some cases, with its politicians, as well as disagreements about its direction as Mr. Trump teases another presidential run.

The efforts to harness the fortunes of the party�s richest activists could help it capitalize on a favorable electoral landscape headed into this year�s midterm elections, and � potentially � the 2024 presidential campaign. Conversely, the party�s prospects could be dimmed if the moneyed class invests in competing candidates, groups and tactics.

The willingness of donors to organize on their own underscores the migration of power and money away from the official organs of the respective parties, which are required to disclose their donors, to outside groups that often have few disclosure requirements. It also reflects a concern among some influential Republicans that the political right faces a disadvantage when it comes to nonprofit groups that support the candidates and causes of each party.

An analysis by The New York Times found that 15 of the most politically active nonprofit organizations that generally align with the Democratic Party spent more than $1.5 billion in 2020 in funds for which the donors� identities are not disclosed. That compared to roughly $900 million in so-called dark money spent by a comparable sample of 15 groups aligned with Republicans.

The effort to close that gap � and to make gains in political consulting and technology that undergirds the right�s political infrastructure � has been a major subject of discussion among these coalitions.

�We need to show our side is organized and has the necessary institutional know-how and financial support, in order to have any shot at winning future elections,� reads a brochure for the Rockbridge Network.

The brochure, which circulated in Republican finance circles this year, calls Rockbridge �a kind of political venture capital firm� that will �leverage our investors� capital with the right political expertise� to �replace the current Republican ecosystem of think tanks, media organizations and activist groups that have contributed to the Party�s decline with better action-oriented, more effective people and institutions that are focused on winning.�

Among the initiatives cited in the Rockbridge brochure are media-related functions � including public relations, messaging, polling, �influencer programs� and investigative journalism � with a combined budget of $8 million.

A �lawfare and strategic litigation� effort with a projected cost of $3.75 million is intended to use the courts �to hold bad actors, including the media, accountable.� A �transition project,� with an estimated price tag of $3 million, is intended to assemble policy experts and plans to create a �government-in-waiting� to �staff the next Republican administration.�

A �red state project� is intended to mimic a model pioneered by the left in which strategists coordinate the efforts of an array of movement groups to complement one another and avoid overlap. It is estimated to cost $6 million to $8 million per state, and is initially focused on the swing states of Arizona, Nevada and Michigan.

A person familiar with Rockbridge described those projects, and their fund-raising goals, as aspirational, and said the coalition had so far focused on allocating donor funds to pre-existing groups to accomplish its goals, rather than creating new ones.

The person said that the coalition had tested some of its plans, including a voter registration initiative, last year in Arizona, which is identified in the brochure as a case study.

Arizona was the site of Rockbridge�s first summit, which was held last year. It featured a speech by Mr. Thiel, the billionaire tech investor. He and Ms. Mercer, the daughter of the hedge fund magnate Robert Mercer, were among Mr. Trump�s biggest donors in 2016, and worked closely together on his presidential transition team.

Since then, Mr. Thiel has emerged as a key kingmaker, supporting 16 Senate and House candidates, some of whom have also been backed by Ms. Mercer. Many of their candidates have embraced the lie that Mr. Trump won the 2020 election. One, Blake Masters, a former employee of Mr. Thiel�s who is running for Senate in Arizona, spoke at the Rockbridge dinner reception at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday night before Mr. Trump, and conceivably could benefit from Rockbridge�s efforts. Mr. Thiel donated $10 million each to super PACs supporting Mr. Masters and J.D. Vance, an Ohio Senate candidate.

It was not clear whether Mr. Thiel or Ms. Mercer attended the Rockbridge gathering this week, which included sessions at another hotel in addition to the dinner reception at Mar-a-Lago Tuesday night. The Mar-a-Lago dinner occurred just before another event there that drew Trump loyalists � the premiere of a movie critical of Mark Zuckerberg, the chief executive of Facebook parent company Meta, for providing grants in 2020 to election administrators struggling to cover the costs of holding an election amid a pandemic. Mr. Thiel has been a board member at Meta, but is leaving that position to focus on trying to influence the midterm elections. His involvement in Rockbridge suggests he could be branching into dark-money nonprofit spending.

Rockbridge was founded by Christopher Buskirk, who is the editor and publisher of the pro-Trump journal American Greatness and has advised a super PAC supporting Mr. Masters.

A spokesman for Mr. Thiel declined to comment. Efforts to reach Ms. Mercer were not successful.

Mr. Schlapp, who helped expand the Koch brothers� political operation more than 15 years ago, said he created the Chestnut Street Council because donors approached him after the 2020 election �expressing frustration with the more normal routes for funding political operations.�

�We decided that it made sense to work with these donors to find better investment opportunities,� he said. He suggested that the group would support legal battles over voting rules.

At a Chestnut Street Council meeting in February, donors heard a presentation from the veteran Republican fund-raiser Caroline Wren.

Ms. Wren, who helped raise money for many Trump political initiatives, including the rally that preceded the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, said the right should try to replicate the left�s system of donor alliances and nonprofit funding hubs to incubate new groups and increase cooperation between existing ones, according to a person familiar with the presentation.

While new funding hubs have emerged on the right in recent years, none have matched the sophistication or spending levels of those on the left.

The Conservative Partnership Institute, has sought to become �the hub of the conservative movement.� It claimed in its 2021 annual report to have played a role in the creation of several new conservative nonprofits, including America First Legal, which is led by former Trump aide Stephen Miller; the Center for Renewing America, led by another Trump alumnus, Russ Vought; and the American Cornerstone Institute, led by Ben Carson, the former secretary of housing and urban development. The group also houses the Election Integrity Network, which is led by Cleta Mitchell, the conservative lawyer who was on the hourlong call with Georgia officials and Mr. Trump when the then-president pressured them to �find� enough votes to flip the result.

The Conservative Partnership Institute received a $1 million infusion from Mr. Trump�s PAC last summer and held a donor retreat at Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump�s private club, last spring.

Such groups have far fewer disclosure requirements than campaigns and political action committees. Funding hubs like the Conservative Partnership Institute and another nonprofit network shaped by the judicial activist Leonard A. Leo are required to disclose their grants to other groups, but not the donors who supplied the cash, while donor coalitions like the Rockbridge Network and Chestnut Street Council will likely not be required to disclose either.

The willingness of Mr. Trump and other officials and prospective presidential candidates to engage with these coalitions is a testament to their increasing centrality in American politics.

Recent private gatherings hosted in Colorado and Palm Beach, Fla., by Mr. Singer�s coalition, the American Opportunity Alliance, drew appearances by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, former Vice President Mike Pence and Nikki Haley, a former United Nations ambassador. Representative Tom Emmer of Minnesota, the chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, was expected to speak at the Rockbridge Network meeting in Palm Beach this week.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 20:48

PERPETUAL IDIOT: Sep 12, 2003

Dreylad posted:

To its credit (?) NYT actually has some reporting on the Thiel-aligned conservatives and who and what their money is funding:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/politics/republican-donors-rockbridge-network-trump.html

The NYT reports on both sides. They report about things that ~20 Manhattanites care about, like adult Catholic converts who host podcasts, and they report about the braindead billionaires who pay those 20 people 1 million dollars to wear old fashioned patterned dresses. Both sides of the aisle so to speak.

# ? Apr 20, 2022 20:54

Syncopated: Oct 21, 2010

Breakfast All Day posted:

people who have been described as fascists (by themselves)

lol

# ? Apr 20, 2022 22:36

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

lol ken's the best

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1517013435426521090

# ? Apr 21, 2022 06:46

Stringent: Dec 22, 2004; image text goes here

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol ken's the best

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1517013435426521090

the arnade screenshot in the replies was p funny too

https://twitter.com/SenorBush/status/1517016018849255424?s=20&t=ibO0232fFOSnnbPHpnUKrw

# ? Apr 21, 2022 07:06

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

lol savage

# ? Apr 21, 2022 07:33

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Chen Weihua but without the wit and morality

# ? Apr 21, 2022 07:39

Toplowtech: Aug 31, 2004

Stringent posted:

the arnade screenshot in the replies was p funny too

https://twitter.com/SenorBush/status/1517016018849255424?s=20&t=ibO0232fFOSnnbPHpnUKrw

If i was dumb enough to have twitter account i would probably mute a lot of people but i would happily block that idiot.

# ? Apr 21, 2022 10:21

damn horror queefs: Oct 14, 2005; say hello
say hello to the man in the elevator

Stringent posted:

the arnade screenshot in the replies was p funny too

https://twitter.com/SenorBush/status/1517016018849255424?s=20&t=ibO0232fFOSnnbPHpnUKrw

# ? Apr 21, 2022 15:51

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

So, that CNN+ things had the plug pulled already:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/business/cnn-plus-shutting-down.html

The nyt posted:

In a move that stunned the media and tech worlds, Warner Bros. Discovery said on Thursday that it will abruptly shut down CNN+ on April 30. �While today�s decision is incredibly difficult, it is the right one for the long-term success of CNN,� Chris Licht, the network�s incoming president, told staff.

The shutdown is an ignominious end to an operation into which CNN sank tens of millions of dollars: from a nationwide marketing campaign to hundreds of newly hired employees to big contracts for name-brand anchors, including the former �Fox News Sunday� host Chris Wallace and the former NPR co-host Audie Cornish.

# ? Apr 22, 2022 07:03

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

there�s going to a few people signing up to CNN+ who are somehow completely oblivious and yet shocked when it�s cancelled next week

# ? Apr 22, 2022 11:33

Cloks: Feb 1, 2013; by Azathoth

Jel Shaker posted:

there’s going to be a few people signing up to CNN+

probably not

# ? Apr 22, 2022 12:42

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

Jel Shaker posted:

there�s going to a few people signing up to CNN+ who are somehow completely oblivious and yet shocked when it�s cancelled next week

Doubtful

# ? Apr 22, 2022 13:49

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1516747922821599234

drat that would be a fine avatar

# ? Apr 22, 2022 13:57

fast cars loose anus: Mar 2, 2007; Pillbug

Pistol_Pete posted:

So, that CNN+ things had the plug pulled already:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/business/cnn-plus-shutting-down.html

I don't think that many people were stunned by it, unless they mean "stunned it only lasted a month rather than 2 or 3"

# ? Apr 22, 2022 16:41

Pistol_Pete: Sep 15, 2007; Oven Wrangler

Eh, I was expecting it to limp along losing money for at least a couple of years before they cut their losses. Am honestly impressed that the new top guy looked at it, said: "this is a poo poo idea" and decisively canned it tbh.

# ? Apr 22, 2022 16:51

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 12:38

Casey Finnigan: Apr 30, 2009; Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔

I think they're cutting the losses so fast cause it was a Jeff Zucker idea and now that Zucker has been ousted no one cares to keep pushing it

# ? Apr 22, 2022 16:55

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