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susan b buffering posted:I don't think the factory simulation is multi-threaded, but I also don't think it needs to be. Even a large factory with a lot going on isn't really that computationally intense to simulate. It's the rendering that's the tough part. You're assuming it's well-architechted, which is a bold assumption. Also remember it's not built from the ground up and a lot of things are built on top of Unreal constructs so they're not going to be ideal. The rendering is rough too though, based on previous videos they've done (color stuff mostly) it sounds like overall the team is generally very inexperienced at optimization, some minor instancing took them like 2 years to add.
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Taffer posted:You're assuming it's well-architechted, which is a bold assumption. Also remember it's not built from the ground up and a lot of things are built on top of Unreal constructs so they're not going to be ideal. They should poach talent from the wizards that made Dyson Sphere Project, they came up with some special way of programming everything so that multiple planet systems all producing hundreds of items at a time runs without a hitch. In my experience the end game slowdown isn't GPU related most of the time, it's some combination of CPU and memory. At one point I checked the task manager to see what resources were being used and it was eating up 13GB of RAM on its own.
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From what I understand of DSP (don't quote me on this), once you leave a planet it locks in production rates (in/out, factoring in available resource patches), and just spits out a set amount per tick or per minute planet-wide, without actually simulating all the machines and belts and drones. Theoretically you could do something like that in Satisfactory but that would be an incredibly complex refactor for systems that weren't initially built with that framework in mind.
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Turns out you’re sending all the parts up the elevator in order to built the telematter array needed to teleport in the DSP mech. DSP starts at the end of Satisfactory, not Factorio!
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Taffer posted:You're assuming it's well-architechted, which is a bold assumption. Also remember it's not built from the ground up and a lot of things are built on top of Unreal constructs so they're not going to be ideal. I'm not assuming that, but It being poorly designed makes it even less suitable for parallelization. Better to expend the effort on optimizing single thread performance unless there is a very easy and obvious way to adapt it to multi-threading without side effects (lol).
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LonsomeSon posted:Turns out you’re sending all the parts up the elevator in order to built the telematter array needed to teleport in the DSP mech. DSP starts at the end of Satisfactory, not Factorio! drat, now I really wish there was cohesive lore between all these games.
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Gadzuko posted:They said they were working on some small things like foliage rendering, I don't think that would make much of a difference in your case but you never know A little annoying but maybe sometime in the far flung future or something, or i'll just like, idk, use the save editor to keep my more annoying/larger stuff around and try and do a general purge. 
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Dunno-Lars posted:Put a train where they crash and manually drive another, and you'll find out pretty fast. My guess is a corner being just a tiny bit too close. Yes, they will. If build on foundation at the exact same grade. A height difference becomes unreliable. Taffer posted:You're assuming it's well-architechted, which is a bold assumption. Also remember it's not built from the ground up and a lot of things are built on top of Unreal constructs so they're not going to be ideal. Yeah these guys are not the people who are diving into the Unreal engine adding new features on their own. The old color gun with 16 slots was based on standard Unreal instancing, the new color gun with arbitrary colors is directly from new engine features that Epic made. OTOH I think you may be overstating how easy it is to make systems that are performant. And taking NoEyedSquareGuy as a representative sample for "needs optimization" is, um, a bit crazy. Because the poo poo that he makes is pretty goddamn massive. Like, look at this post. I just tallied up the number of active buildings in that (ie production machines, belts, pipes, & junctions; not foundations, walls, or power) and I got 34400 and a bit. Here is the standard map for Factorio benchmarks. Restricted to the same count of "things that produce & move items" it has like 165k, excluding belt. Belt I'm not sure how to count -- it has 368k 1-square belts, which are combined into segments analogous to a Satisfactory belt behind the scenes. 10% is probably generous. So that's a bit over 200k. So a single build on a NESG map is like 15-20% of the working objects as an entire Factorio mega-map made to test performance extremes. Factorio deff runs faster than Satisfactory. Partly because they're running their own pure code instead of inside Unreal, but also because the rendering part of the game is trivial. But also, you have to be careful what and who you're looking at to make comparisons between the two. The message isn't that Satisfactory is horribly unoptimized, the message is that NoEyedSquareGuy is out of control and needs to be stopped.
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Ugh, today's update has properly borked my save. The new deadlock system means I'm going to have to spend several hours un-loving my tractor and truck routes because they keep going nose-to-nose at chokepoints and don't have the sense to back up a little so one or the other can go through.
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Wyld Karde posted:Ugh, today's update has properly borked my save. The new deadlock system means I'm going to have to spend several hours un-loving my tractor and truck routes because they keep going nose-to-nose at chokepoints and don't have the sense to back up a little so one or the other can go through. Ooof, but if you can *survive* without fixing it (ie your power doesn't depend on those trucks) I might just let it ride. I'd say that's a bug, when judged against their design intentions: that tractors & trucks should always be able to complete routes even if they have to go into noclip mode to do it. If the vehicles don't realize that they're stuck because it's another vehicle they're colliding with, it's probably just a thing they didn't think about / see in testing.
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Klyith posted:The message isn't that Satisfactory is horribly unoptimized, the message is that NoEyedSquareGuy is out of control and needs to be stopped. When update 6 drops I'm going to try and make a world-maxed nuclear build with 252 reactors using nothing but trucks to transport items throughout the world. Only the limitations of Unreal Engine can prevent this.
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Well this sucks. Just bought the game yesterday and everything was working fine. Small update today and now the game keeps crashing with Unreal Engine errors every 15 minutes or so. Bummer.
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Oldstench posted:Well this sucks. Just bought the game yesterday and everything was working fine. Small update today and now the game keeps crashing with Unreal Engine errors every 15 minutes or so. Bummer. Since you just got it, I'd assume you aren't doing anything with mods yet? Try a verify files. For whatever reason this game has an unusual habit of installs being left with corrupt files after patches. If that doesn't help, you can try forcing a different graphics API with launch options: -DX11 -DX12 -vulkan (If you have a low-spec GPU it may be better off with 11)
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No mods, already verified, using DX11 already. Eh. NBD - maybe I'll just wait until the 6 update comes out.
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Kinda lost interest after I built a mega factory up north and then days later they state "delete everything in the area, because we are revamping the whole place". Meh, I have another month or 2 to go in and flatten/rebuild elsewhere.
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OgNar posted:Kinda lost interest after I built a mega factory up north and then days later they state "delete everything in the area, because we are revamping the whole place". You can copy + paste your factories in the online map viewer to relocate everything if you're worried about them disappearing into the new terrain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VBO4Fc-AoQ You'll still have to deal with all the input lines going into the factory but it's a lot easier than having to completely rebuild. Also good for quickly tearing down a large factory instead of manually deleting everything. I've got this 10GW fuel plant sitting right in the middle of the Spire Coast and I'm just going to copy the whole thing over to the Gold Coast when the time comes. Only input line to worry about is a single oil pipe. 
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Spire Coast looking nice. Shame about all the factories that were built there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeABKTT4t4w
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Coffee Sludge posted:Spire Coast looking nice. Shame about all the factories that were built there. Might be the best looking biome now even though those waterfalls don't make any sense. Glad they're keeping up with the teaser videos on the way to update 6.
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I actually don't really like what they've done to it??? I mean it looks nice sure, but it also is largely indistinguishable from the rest of the biome now. I had hoped it would be something more unique. Looks like a huge amount of buildable land reduction too. Ah well.
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It was always going to be a reduction in buildable space because the old spire coast was mostly a big flat plane.
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What a beautiful location. I can't wait to turn it into a massive turbofuel facility.
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Wyld Karde posted:What a beautiful location. I can't wait for it to spawn inside my massive turbofuel facility.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVeZMwdA5bE More insane than anything Lets Game It Out has done. Good lord.
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Oldstench posted:Well this sucks. Just bought the game yesterday and everything was working fine. Small update today and now the game keeps crashing with Unreal Engine errors every 15 minutes or so. Bummer. Well, switching the renderer to DX12 seems to have resolved the issue. Odd seeing as that was hitching horribly before the patch which is why I switched to DX11 to start with.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Might be the best looking biome now even though those waterfalls don't make any sense. Glad they're keeping up with the teaser videos on the way to update 6. If you look at places where the arches scattered across the map have broken due to weathering and erosion you'll see an incredibly artificial looking hex weave of supports in them. If you go by the idea that the planet/build area was previously inhabited by a now long gone/dead aliens I could totally see them having some water features like the waterfalls. Alternatively, those arches are entirely natural and the hex grid is one of those times that nature gets engineering incredibly right, and those arches (when alive) often have water being pulled through them.
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I learned about sushi belts. Why didn't I think of this earlier, especially because I ran a compressed belt in my first save to begin with, to get poo poo across the map.
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Combat Pretzel posted:I learned about sushi belts. Why didn't I think of this earlier, especially because I ran a compressed belt in my first save to begin with, to get poo poo across the map. How can you do sushi belts in Satisfactory? Do you just have 3 inputs at the same rate going into a merger on one end and the splitting them back out on the other?
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If your belts are faster than the sum of the item consumption rates of your machines, you can just cram everything onto a single belt and use smart splitters to feed the hoppers, with an overflow at the end (either sink or ferry to another place). Rate control can/could be done with various belt speeds at the input. Also, the Modular Load Balancer mod is  for this kind of poo poo.
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IMO for something to be a sushi belt it should loop back into itself. Putting more than one item type on a belt is just a mixed belt. I have a for real sushi belt in my old starting home base. The belt winds through the production floors collecting outputs from machines, grabs steel from a truck stop, goes behind the storage area to restock storage, and then hits a programmable splitter. The splitter sends junk resources & overflow to a sink, and recycles items that are used as inputs back through the system. This is not a very efficient system! It works fine in this build, because my home base produces a little of everything in low volume amounts. So the belt doesn't jam up -- in any other production environment sushi is a huge jam risk. If you feel like an interesting challenge though, it's very satisfying to build. I made a spot in the base where the belts & lifts are behind a window and you can watch all the stuff going past. (Though this post should all be in past tense: I took down the small steel factory that was supplying pipe & beams, so it's kinda defunct. And I'm building a huge Frame Factory right next door. Not sure what to do in the old home base, it needs a re-org to produce stuff again. I don't want to take it down though.)
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:You can copy + paste your factories in the online map viewer to relocate everything if you're worried about them disappearing into the new terrain: Going through this video now, and it has good instructions. Thanks for this. Seems i'm most likely going to have multiple moves though. Since my computer/supercomputer factory is actually hanging off the side of the cliff and there is a lot of stuff below like tubing and conveyors to get the plastic up. Guessing i will have to move it, delete everything below and then shift it down to sea level since I will be shipping ore in to where it will be. Debating on whether to move the coal power on the left or not since its not actually in the affected area, but may be on the line. I guess I could shift that coal power a little north just to be safe.  e:You know, I could really use conveyors that attach to a ceiling. OgNar fucked around with this message at 00:48 on May 5, 2022 |
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When I need ceiling conveyors I just put down some temporary platforms below, run my conveyors, and delete the platforms and poles. Sure it isn't technically hanging, but it's good enough.
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A more detailed look at the spire coast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BxYvOLpjGo I was thinking that my north sea oil factory, which I thought was far enough out into the ocean to maybe not have problems, is gonna be on top of some new coral reef / mini islands stuff. Um. Not sure what I'm gonna do with that.
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Fortunately after looking at the map, I don't think anything I have built is even remotely close to the spire coast. Regardless I think it would be best that I put this game on hold until the 1.0 release in case I have to start again for any reason, I'm not a big fan of starting things from scratch.
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While I still have things like rubber production in that area, I should be good to go if anything gets lost. I copied my one super comp factory out but left the old one there just in case it works. Everything I am doing now is simply going around to every node I dont have a train station at and setting one up and possibly refineries if there is water nearby to produce even more. All to one day attempt the final phase of the space elevator. I do have nuclear and particle to unlock but am not in any rush or need as yet. Plus I need some more factories built to do that. Seems you just need a lot of loving ore for that last bit of production. I have had to re-do quite a bit of my rail system because I was sloppy to begin with and that just causes a mess the more and more trains you add in. I see now why everyone just makes a raised level and just dyson spheres the whole map.
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This thread seems like a good place to post this trailer for what looks like Satisfactory, but only in caves (with destructible terrain): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FK15vuZ9yc Tamba fucked around with this message at 20:18 on May 9, 2022 |
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Tamba posted:This thread seems like a good place to post this trailer for what looks like Satisfactory, but only in caves (with destructible terrain): Be wary of glyphids.
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I like the conceit of when things are zapped into place they have that orange-hot look to them, makes sense techtonica uses that too. Did Satisfactory start that or were there other ones that did it first (space engineers? I have not played that).
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lmao the devs of Techtonica previously made Catlateral Damage, a meme game where you randomly mess up the world as a cat guess there's something about making a nonsense simulator that means the next thing you want to do is a serious business work simulator priznat posted:I like the conceit of when things are zapped into place they have that orange-hot look to them, makes sense techtonica uses that too. Did Satisfactory start that or were there other ones that did it first (space engineers? I have not played that). No for space engineers, there you put down a frame-looking skeleton and then use a weld-gun to "build" it. (In space engineers there's no tech system, so the thing you're doing to expand your capability isn't research to unlock new blocks / tech. It's building stuff that can build stuff. At first you're using a hand-welder, then you want to make a builder-ship with auto-welders, then you might move on to a blueprint builder. But it's not gated by anything but the material resources and your design ability.)
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