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Guavanaut posted:Just reminded me that it is Blossom Day today, which is a better kind of day than playing nationalist pokemon with the liturgical calendar. I have been keeping track of the progress of the many cherry trees we have around boro and it is genuinely very nice, lovely things and I wish they flowered all year round.
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Oh dear me posted:At first people found "let the bodies pile high" shocking, but if a message is repeated often enough, many people will find it a relief to align themselves with it. (See also: Corbyn.) I'm not even arguing for a return to lockdown, but the government could at least be working on messaging of 'we can return to normal if we wear masks, wash our hands, and at least try to keep our distance a bit.' But no, apparently doing anything to limit the spread is fascism (despite the government doing actual fascism in their policing and refugee policies).
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I've known a fair few of these people - who openly say they agree with everything the Conservatives say, do and think and consistently vote for them but get real7ly offended if they're described as Tories. A consistent thing is that, like Lampard, they believe that they're 'just normal'. It's like that "there are two genders: male and political, there are two races: white and political..." bit. These are people who think that politics only happens it you're a member of a party and go out campaigning or standing in elections, or go to the big brown building in London with the green seats and the tall clock. The people there (who I agree with) are Tories. I'm not even a Conservative, just an ordinary normal person who always votes for the Conservatives but doesn't do politics. I don't know who are funnier- the people who always vote Conservative but insist they're not Tories, or the people who always vote Conservative but insist that they're 'Labour at heart'. E: Bobby Deluxe posted:try to keep our distance a bit.' But no, apparently doing anything to limit the spread is fascism (despite the government doing actual fascism in their policing and refugee policies). Didn't you get the memo? Everything, from wearing masks to literary criticism', is fascism now. Except fascism, which is just 'common sense' BalloonFish fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:7 day average of nearly 500 deaths a day. I generally agree, but it's 200
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OwlFancier posted:I have been keeping track of the progress of the many cherry trees we have around boro and it is genuinely very nice, lovely things and I wish they flowered all year round. e: vvv like so Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Gort posted:I generally agree, but it's 200  Cases: 
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I'm not even arguing for a return to lockdown, but the government could at least be working on messaging of 'we can return to normal if we wear masks, wash our hands, and at least try to keep our distance a bit.' But no, apparently doing anything to limit the spread is fascism (despite the government doing actual fascism in their policing and refugee policies). I think a more viable long-term solution would be for the Gov to actually tackle poor ventilation and insist on high-quality HEPA filters in enclosed/poorly ventilated spaces, as well as a cohesive campaign to improve insulation so that people could passively ventilate their homes more. Obviously that's fanciful, but one can hope. In lieu of that, hybrid working helps as a kind of passive social distancing. Distance and ventilation are still the best defence we have, and we've known this since the days of Nightingale. Your point about hand washing is interesting because it's surprisingly widespread even though there is no evidence of surface transmission as a vector for COVID. Keeping your mitts clean is a good idea for a variety of other reasons, but it's interesting how much early (incorrect) theories drive perception even now on community transmission of COVID. On a personal note, I have resigned myself to getting it at some point. I've not knowingly had it (my wife had it, we can't quarantine in this shoebox, but I didn't get it in spite of still sharing a bed) and I regularly do things like go the local pub. Albeit in said pub, I tend to sit out back in the smoking area where it's quieter, and I'm an inveterate pavement-stander in pubs generally. But I use the trains and the Tube, go out to eat, and try to take reasonable precautions like not travelling at peak times. My parents are both doctors, and one of them is published on vaccinating against viral diseases (so is used to interpreting stats on things like infections, deaths, etc) and I think the thing about all this that bothers them the most is the sloppy public-health approaches, the absolutely terrible weaponising of misconstrued science, and the total lack of contextualisation of the numbers. The virus exists, will continue to exist for decades if not hundreds of years in some shape or form, and as a society we need to find a way to manage this socially, medically, and psychologically. e: also lockdowns are a sign that your public health policies generally have disastrously failed and that your health service was on the brink of collapse even before the crisis hit. They are a social and psychological catastrophe, and having to use them is highly indicative of a seriously and serially broken social contract between people, and between those people and their government. Whoever posted above about 'trust in each other and the gov' being the single biggest indicator of success-vs-failure in COVID management was dead-on. It was an interesting moment when that came out (I think it was the Lancet that published it). Jeherrin fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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BalloonFish posted:I've known a fair few of these people - who openly say they agree with everything the Conservatives say, do and think and consistently vote for them but get real7ly offended if they're described as Tories. My Tory uncle who is a tory says he's not a tory but thinks Tony Blair is too left wing.
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Lampard and Lampard Sr were clients of mine way back when - they're Tory as anything and some of the nastiest people I've ever dealt with.
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I'd assume that most notaToryism comes from accepting on some level that being a Tory is shameful & wrong, leading the notaTory to conclude that there must be some essential quality of Toryness that they themselves must lack despite consistently voting for & supporting the Tories, because if that wasn't the case it'd make them bad people, which they're not E: Eddie Marsan is a oval office. Borrovan fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:*was 200, currently 490 and trending up. Weird, Worldometers has it at 266 
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Barry Foster posted:This is why I am quite serious and quite literal when I say that we live in an abusive society. Quite apart from the material privations that it inflicts on the great majority of us, all of us - even the bourgeoisie - are being gas lit constantly Definitely. You can pick up some reliable things from the media like numbers of deaths in a traffic accident and the location, everything beyond that is spin and speculation slanted in favour of the reporters, editors and owners views. But what can you do about it ?. Censorship comes with it's own huge problems and teaching critical thinking and genuine media awareness to all rather than only at a graduate level isn't an easy sell to governments who want to be able to lie with impunity or otherwise manipulate the electorate. Reading widely and being sceptical takes a conscious effort and time.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Censorship comes with it's own huge problems and teaching critical thinking and genuine media awareness to all rather than only at a graduate level isn't an easy sell to governments who want to be able to lie with impunity or otherwise manipulate the electorate. However, lol about HE critical reasoning standards, my partner teaches criminology & from what I've seen of her marking the students all either uncritically repeat what they've read in the papers or are so indoctrinated that they think the press has a consistent anti-police bias because they occasionally see stories saying something mildly critical of are boys in blew. We're effectively not allowed to teach them critical reasoning skills any more because of marketisation: they're paying for a product, & the product they want is the degree & the "student experience", not having to work hard & develop skills, so we're specifically incentivised not to challenge them by every level of management
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Gort posted:Weird, Worldometers has it at 266 In other news, I have become the dang joker reading this: https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1513136931017740291?t=ZdQKrkvWnu0rScerOcCgUw&s=19 quote:Some of his most memorable scenes – in the Paddy Considine drama Tyrannosaur, in which he urinates over Olivia Colman, and in Mike Leigh’s Happy-Go-Lucky, in which he plays Sally Hawkins’ furious driving instructor – involve him granting humanity to grotesque men, so that their motivations become comprehensible if not relatable. “If you play someone as blatantly evil,” he says, “that’s not real. Human beings aren’t like that. What’s most interesting is to play someone who does evil things, who makes an audience think: ‘I understand.’ That’s frightening.” quote:Marsan describes Darwin as someone who expected better from life than the middling existence he has achieved, and who is struggling to come to terms with his disillusionment – “an embodiment of what we’re dealing with a lot of men,” he says. When we move on from E Pellicci and find a quieter spot around the corner, I ask him to elaborate. “The thing about men is they’re encouraged to think they can do anything. And reality shows them they can’t, and some men can’t deal with that, and they become deceitful, they become liars and narcissists.” Only now is society beginning to acknowledge the spectrum of human existence, Marsan thinks. “But we’ve been brought up in systems that don’t acknowledge that spectrum. They’ve been binary. Very black and white. And a lot of men have created a narrative for themselves based on that binary way of looking at things, and now they’re having a panic attack.” In short: “The world is changing, and change is difficult, and men are finding it more difficult than women.” quote:He brings up Partygate. “I was in post-production for Thief while Boris Johnson was standing in front of parliament. And I thought, ‘You think that you’re three-dimensional and that we’re two-dimensional, and that we can’t see through you.’ That’s a form of narcissism that I think comes from trauma. It’s very human. I think there are some human beings who’ve been so traumatised that they have to believe in narcissism as a way to protect themselves.” quote:Marsan talks matter-of-factly about the way he looks. Icing on the cake: quote:“There’s something about this country,” he goes on. “Something about all of us here. We live and breathe these definitions of ourselves. It’s not an ‘us and them’ thing – I don’t buy all that. Some of my best friends are very privileged – great people. But the class system is embedded.” do you know of anyone eddie can you think of a politician in the last few years who campaigned ceaselessly for working rights eddie Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Borrovan posted:Afaict there are only 3 possible forms that the press can take, which I call the Russia Today model, the Rupert Murdoch model and the Socialist Worker model, all with very obvious problems. You're right about the solution, & the only way to get that would be somebody getting elected in direct opposition to the interests of the media barons, & well they almost accidentally let that happen in 2017 & won't do it again. This is one of many reasons why I quit academia
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https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/20088494.family-appeal-information-terrifying-keighley-attack/quote:A FAMILY has been left traumatised after balaclava-clad men armed with weapons unleashed a terrifying attack on their homes. This attack from a few days ago involved (ed: as in was on) the family of a friend of mine (which I only just found out). If anyone has any info please let the police or crimestoppers know. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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OwlFancier posted:This eddie marsan guy sounds remarkably basic https://twitter.com/eddiemarsan/status/1357328912569794569?t=omScT3DveUPsiI57lITHLQ&s=19 He's a stupid oval office as well: https://twitter.com/eddiemarsan/status/1466088826271682566?t=GhWO0kX07TM3LGYwr4asJA&s=19
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What's 'classism on the left' and how does that link into antisemitism? Hope he is not implying that Jews tend to form a separate elevated class of some sort, because that's a bit of a dodgy sentiment...
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Guavanaut posted:What's 'classism on the left' and how does that link into antisemitism? But that's 2 posts I've made being fair to him so for balance I'll have to make 3 calling him a oval office. He's a oval office.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Yeah, he's not just a oval office: Mega lol @ 'the Corbyn brothers'
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Borrovan posted:Afaict there are only 3 possible forms that the press can take, which I call the Russia Today model, the Rupert Murdoch model and the Socialist Worker model, all with very obvious problems. You're right about the solution, & the only way to get that would be somebody getting elected in direct opposition to the interests of the media barons, & well they almost accidentally let that happen in 2017 & won't do it again. I don't think he'd have made any real difference. He needed to ruthlessly gut the party to stand any chance of genuinely uniting it which would have really hurt the numbers in the short term. Tories are scum, but they are scum who can stomach coming together if and when it benefits them. Borrovan posted:However, lol about HE critical reasoning standards, my partner teaches criminology & from what I've seen of her marking the students all either uncritically repeat what they've read in the papers or are so indoctrinated that they think the press has a consistent anti-police bias because they occasionally see stories saying something mildly critical of are boys in blew. We're effectively not allowed to teach them critical reasoning skills any more because of marketisation: they're paying for a product, & the product they want is the degree & the "student experience", not having to work hard & develop skills, so we're specifically incentivised not to challenge them by every level of management Yep you are right, I let wishful thinking thinking take over there. Tuition fee's have returned us to the bad old days of only educating the rich so the actual education part is no longer necessary, in fact it's a risk when you can be sued for failing a student with money to burn and limited intelligence.
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Borrovan posted:Tbf I actually do loving hate rich people. Which I guess does link into antisemitism if another leftist shares that view but also believes a bunch of nonsense about Jews. It's much worse though. https://twitter.com/eddiemarsan/status/1357329427231887360 He's actually going for "Jeremy Corbyn promotes blood libel and gets away with it because he is middle class like all the left are". Because Borrovan posted:Eddie Marsan is a oval office.
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But also presumably the working class are also bad because they have the racism bone in their brain? The taxi driver with the broad working class accent, oh no.
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Mega Comrade posted:He was really good in Tyrannosaur. Comedy actors can play straight drama better than most straight drama actors can do comedy. Comedic acting encompasses straight acting but the reverse isn’t true.
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therattle posted:Comedy actors can play straight drama better than most straight drama actors can do comedy. Comedic acting encompasses straight acting but the reverse isn’t true. Sure but I didn't expect her to be THAT good, and usually it takes a few films for them to get their footing. She knocked it out the park on the first try, film had me in tears.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:loving hell, ideology is apparently when you let trans people transition in peace, but stopping them transitioning as a moral stance, nothing ideological about that, no sir. Everything I don’t like is ideological. Everything I like is common sense and/or objectively correct.
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