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Hm, yes, I think this calls for one rectangular section of a pepperoni slice. Perfect
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i say swears online posted:the whole point of it as a pizza topping is that the pineapple gets a lil char from the direct heat of the oven. this is awful when u want to eat a gusher but you also want it to be a bread sack the size of two clenched fists
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Congrats on not dooming the EU, Emmanuel Macron.
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Apr 24, 2022 21:16
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finally, the mandate to raise the retirement age that people voted for
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Grouchio posted:Congrats on not dooming the EU, Emmanuel Macron. Give him time.
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1512487469173800960 Wow the younger the more right wing. It's like a polar opposite of what is happening in the Western Hemisphere.
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Kassad posted:Give him time. He will be too busy impersonating Adele with Putin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQHsXMglC9A
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Apr 24, 2022 22:04
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Slovenia also replaced its Orban-friendly PM with a green-liberal one. Not as impactful as France but it was a tighter race that could easily have gone the other way.
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Apr 24, 2022 22:15
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punk rebel ecks posted:Wow the younger the more right wing. Macron's platform is basically the younger you are, the longer life of drudgery and the more crushing financial bondage you can look forward to.
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Apr 24, 2022 23:06
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punk rebel ecks posted:Wow the younger the more right wing. Le Pen's platform was far more left wing economically than Macron's hardcore neoliberalism. For young/working class people in particular it had amongst other things: - income tax exemption for under-30s - low interest €100k loan for couples, written off on third child - free public transport for young workers - tax-free overtime pay for manual workers - retirement kept at 60 for historic early-school-leavers - reindexing of pensions to inflation Shes a horrible candidate for loads of reasons but its not hard to see why young/working class people would see her policies as benefiting themselves more than Macron and his raising the retirement age, abolishing wealth taxes on the super rich, removing employment protection rights etc.
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Apr 24, 2022 23:41
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Blut posted:Le Pen's platform was far more left wing economically than Macron's hardcore neoliberalism. For young/working class people in particular it had amongst other things: I'm actually surprised that she actually has legit good things in her platform. Maybe my mind is too American but often thinks "right wing = never helping people under any circumstances".
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punk rebel ecks posted:I'm actually surprised that she actually has legit good things in her platform. The American right wing is basically "gently caress you, got mine, if you're poor you just didn't work hard enough". The European right wing is basically "our country is the best and we're the best, so we should take care of our own and not those filthy roma, brown people, 'lesser europeans', etc..."
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punk rebel ecks posted:I'm actually surprised that she actually has legit good things in her platform. Many right wing parties in Europe promise a lot of help to poor people. And not only the radical right, but surprisingly far into the centre. Delivering on those promises is another question entirely. But, from what I understand wasn't that also Trump's platform? Or was I misunderstanding that? I didn't follow American politics that closely when he originally ran.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Wow the younger the more right wing. It's more like the younger the more disillusioned with the neoliberal status quo. Younger people also voted heavily for Melenchon in the 1st round relative to other groups Look at some of the departments that voted for Le Pen. Of the 10 overseas departments Le Pen won 7; the only ones Jupiter won were the 3 in the Pacific. Le Pen got 69% on Guadeloupe, 60% on Martinique & French Guiana, 59% in both Reunion & Mayotte. Why? I dunno, but I suspect there's more to it than just fascism. Mayotte is overwhelmingly Muslim, it's also incredibly poor (34% unemployment of working age adults, 29% of homes not having running water, 84% living below the poverty line).
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VictualSquid posted:Many right wing parties in Europe promise a lot of help to poor people. And not only the radical right, but surprisingly far into the centre. Delivering on those promises is another question entirely. He made hints toward it. His platform was/is essentially "I will bring back America prosperity by focusing on the white man by cutting red tape and enacting protectionist policies." Welfare and social benefit type government action was rarely brought up. forkboy84 posted:Look at some of the departments that voted for Le Pen. Of the 10 overseas departments Le Pen won 7; the only ones Jupiter won were the 3 in the Pacific. Le Pen got 69% on Guadeloupe, 60% on Martinique & French Guiana Isn't French Guiana mostly black? The_Franz posted:The American right wing is basically "gently caress you, got mine, if you're poor you just didn't work hard enough". The European right wing is basically "our country is the best and we're the best, so we should take care of our own and not those filthy roma, brown people, 'lesser europeans', etc..." Okay this is driving me crazy. Is the puppet in your avatar shooting the other puppet with a gun or using like a spray can of pass out gas? It looks like a gun but it's like he just "sprays" smoke out.
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I have a hard time believing Le Pen would actually have done anything to help young French people. I might be wrong though, but I think she was just trying to lock in the young vote. She's too much of a ghoul not to go immediately white nationalist. Mechelon's showing was pretty encouraging though, just hope they can keep building.
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What's the first thing Macron is likely to do with this mandate?
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Lawman 0 posted:What's the first thing Macron is likely to do with this mandate? Reinstate the royal line and move to Versailles?
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punk rebel ecks posted:He made hints toward it. It's from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmhIizQQol0&t=183s
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punk rebel ecks posted:Isn't French Guiana mostly black? It's a protest vote. All the overseas areas are still practically treated like colonies and are also dwarfed by mainland France so their votes don't matter. Edit : French Guiana has 100,000 registered voters, 60% didn't go vote. Le Pen's 60% there is 21,000 people. And in the first round, Mélenchon got 50% of the vote, with 63% abstention. Mélenchon voters shifted to Le Pen because gently caress Macron. Kassad fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Last election was 66.1 for Macron vs 33.9 for Le Pen. This time it was 58.6 vs 41.4... Well, conclusion must surely be that this was a great victory for the forces of (???) and there's no need to ask any questions going forward or do anything differently.
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I imagine Le Pen's the only one left at that stage who has literally anything for young people, so they either support her or check out. This should seem familiar.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I imagine Le Pen's the only one left at that stage who has literally anything for young people, so they either support her or check out. This should seem familiar. If it's a choice between her and Macron, sure. In the first round, most voted for Mélenchon, I'm pretty sure. Edit : Yup, here's an article with some details (in French, throw it in Google Translate). 34% for Melenchon in the 25 to 34 age bracket, with 46% abstention. Kassad fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Is Melechon basically French Bernie Sanders?
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is Melechon basically French Bernie Sanders? More like French Jeremy Corbyn. The Left in America is working from a very different vantage point, so it’s hard to compare.
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Honj Steak posted:More like French Jeremy Corbyn. The Left in America is working from a very different vantage point, so it’s hard to compare.
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Crespolini posted:Last election was 66.1 for Macron vs 33.9 for Le Pen. This time it was 58.6 vs 41.4... And the time before that it was 82.2% vs 17.8% for Chirac vs Le Pen the elder. So 17.8 -> 33.9 -> 41.4, a very strong upwards trend in support over the years. Shes only 53 years old currently too (Melenchon is 70), so theres every chance she'll run once, twice or three times more if thats what it takes. If Macron sticks to his neoliberal policies and continues to gently caress over everyone poor and under 50 for the next 5 years she'll have a very good chance in the next election.
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forkboy84 posted:Look at some of the departments that voted for Le Pen. Of the 10 overseas departments Le Pen won 7; the only ones Jupiter won were the 3 in the Pacific. Le Pen got 69% on Guadeloupe, 60% on Martinique & French Guiana, 59% in both Reunion & Mayotte. Why? I dunno, but I suspect there's more to it than just fascism. Mayotte is overwhelmingly Muslim, it's also incredibly poor (34% unemployment of working age adults, 29% of homes not having running water, 84% living below the poverty line). Ghost Leviathan posted:This should seem familiar.
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Blut posted:If Macron sticks to his neoliberal policies and continues to gently caress over everyone poor and under 50 for the next 5 years she'll have a very good chance in the next election.
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An insane mind posted:Reinstate the royal line and move to Versailles? And then once he croaks, since he has no direct heirs, we can enjoy a nice war of succession like it's 1699 
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NihilCredo posted:And then once he croaks, since he has no direct heirs, we can enjoy a nice war of succession like it's 1699
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Yeah that sucks but why isn't the left getting the same increase in disgruntled voters coming over from the neolibs? I'm pretty sure young people skew at least a bit left but and mechelon's voteshare had quite some young people among it. So then why does it keep coming down to a neolib and an insane racist? Young people not voting? The liberal vote only steals from the left? What is it that's happening that the right keeps rising and the left...doesn't seem to?
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An insane mind posted:Yeah that sucks but why isn't the left getting the same increase in disgruntled voters coming over from the neolibs? I'm pretty sure young people skew at least a bit left but and mechelon's voteshare had quite some young people among it. So then why does it keep coming down to a neolib and an insane racist? The left gets it from both sides of the mainstream media, typically, with leftist politicians being either erased and subject to blackouts or portrayed exclusively as joke options and/or dangerous fanatics who'll have us all lined up and shot in Times Square. If not a full blown monstering and bipartisan smear campaign.
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An insane mind posted:Yeah that sucks but why isn't the left getting the same increase in disgruntled voters coming over from the neolibs? I'm pretty sure young people skew at least a bit left but and mechelon's voteshare had quite some young people among it. So then why does it keep coming down to a neolib and an insane racist?
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An insane mind posted:Yeah that sucks but why isn't the left getting the same increase in disgruntled voters coming over from the neolibs? I'm pretty sure young people skew at least a bit left but and mechelon's voteshare had quite some young people among it. So then why does it keep coming down to a neolib and an insane racist? Melenchon had lots of policies that turn off various large sections of the youth vote. His talk of his "créolisation" policy has made him seem soft on immigration vs Le Pen, Zemmour etc which lost him working class youth support. Hes also anti EU and anti NATO/somewhat pro-Putin, both of which turn off large numbers of educated/wealthy young people.
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Blut posted:Melenchon had lots of policies that turn off various large sections of the youth vote. As much as we hate to admit it, there are a lot of young Europeans who want leftist policies but with 500% more racism and xenophobia. And leftist policies but with 500% more racism and xenophobia is exactly how many European right wing parties have managed to steal voters from the left wing counterparts in the past decade.
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Also lots of young voters only know Le Pen Junior, and haven't known her father who is even more of an insane racist. When she inherited the party, she launched a policy of "dédiabolisation," meaning that they toned down the racism on the surface level and adopted some token socialist talking points. In the current political climate this seems to have worked quite well. Of course, having all of our government parties (including the socialist party) normalize casual racism for 20 years "might" have a role to play as well. golden bubble posted:As much as we hate to admit it, there are a lot of young Europeans who want leftist policies but with 500% more racism and xenophobia. And leftist policies but with 500% more racism and xenophobia is exactly how many European right wing parties have managed to steal voters from the left wing counterparts in the past decade. Yeah what I gathered from some discussions is that they basically say that they want to be like Switzerland or Norway or Canada: leftist policies but harsh on immigration. Add some incel & TERF crap, fear mongering about islam, and you have it. What is also striking to me is the absolute trust they put in those a-holes from the far right, as if they wouldn't f* them over and cheat/lie their way around it once they are elected. I mean you just need to look at the US, Hungary or Russia to see that the far right is even worse than the neoliberals we have now, but it doesn't seem to bother them. Chikimiki fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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