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Fashionable Jorts posted:Creed wears a wig and a women’s coat and lipstick to abduct his victims Kchama posted:That's lying to the 100% degree. Kchama posted:The coat-wearing part is mentioned as a one-off, and the lipstick was involved in just one other case. He's never mentioned as fooling his victims by pretending to be a woman, but by seeming like a harmless, maybe gay man. What
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mandatory lesbian posted:drat, glad we're setting the record straight that this extremely transphobic women was merely being extremely homophobic in this book, def worth a billion posts about I mean, I wasn't defending her. I'd just rather people be mad at her for the real problems, and not stuff that someone made up. And boy, it's not unproblematic! If I was defending her, I wouldn't leave out the poo poo that's the real poo poo like 'pretends to be gay to get women to let down their guard around him'. It's 'merely' homophobic, not transphobic.
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you're right, people shouldn't be mad at JK Rowling for being transphobic, there's no other evidence of it
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I just dont see the point in writing a post i have to scroll thru when shes still being a huge piece of poo poo. Nothing is gained bc in the end either way she deserves to be bludegeoned with a baseball bat
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Alaois posted:you're right, people shouldn't be mad at JK Rowling for being transphobic, there's no other evidence of it There's plenty of evidence of it elsewhere. That's why you don't gotta make up poo poo. EDIT: Like I'm not a fan of just going with made up poo poo because as opposed to using real poo poo because it gives people the ability to deflect from her lovely TERFness because "you're lied about this so who is to say you aren't lying about that?" Terrible Opinions posted:They're literally quotations form the book. That was the part I said was correct and true. But it's presented as, you said, him wanting power over his victims and less because he wants to be a woman. Also if she has said that then I regret being as fair to her as i have, ugh. Kchama has a new favorite as of 03:02 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Kchama posted:That's some poo poo that the book doesn't actually say. That's lying to the 100% degree. Also the book posted:“It excited me,” he wrote, after our third interview, “to watch a woman who didn’t know she was being observed. I’d do it to my sisters, but I’d creep up to lit windows as well. If I got lucky, I’d see women or girls undressing, adjusting themselves or even a glimpse of nudity. I was aroused not only by the obviously sensual aspects, but by the sense of power. I felt I stole something of their essence from them, taking that which they thought private and hidden.” mandatory lesbian posted:Even better! It should be obvious im only going off what ive heard so like, sure, bring on the cool demon guy 
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Apr 25, 2022 02:58
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Touch grass.
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Terrible Opinions posted:They're literally quotations form the book. Terrible Opinions posted:They're literally quotations form the book. That was the part I said was correct and true. But it's presented as, you said, him wanting power over his victims and less because he wants to be a woman. Also if she has said that then I regret being as fair to her as i have, ugh. That does absolutely change the context then. I apologize. EDIT: I'd just like to clarify that I'm an idiot. Kchama has a new favorite as of 03:10 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Jordan Peterson delivers a lecture on critical race theory to the Florida Lord’s Defense Force War College, 2026 (colorized)
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Kchama posted:That was the part I said was correct and true. But it's presented as, you said, him wanting power over his victims and less because he wants to be a woman. You're fine. It was a matter of miscommunication and the thread confusing things a little before. To JKR, the villain of that book IS her idea of a transperson because that's simply how she sees them. Of course she doesn't even give them the dignity of genuinely believing that they are trans and instead hide behind the facade as a way to strike at women- that would mean acknowledging that transpeople exist. The thread was in error referring to the villain as a transperson only in as much as it confuses the issue. Transpeople CAN be killers, they CAN be anything, they're still people, but JKR cannot bring herself to come to even that conclusion. If you claim to be trans, you are either mentally unwell or you are a pervert trying to take advantage of others. That's the disconnect.
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The other disconnect is that this guy isn't even the killer. He's a serial killer unrelated to the main investigation and just there for Rowling to give a polemic. The actual killer is a woman with a phonetically spelled out accent.
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Apr 25, 2022 04:23
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Rowling seems like a pretty high-profile case of how twitter utterly destroys your mind. Has she met Graham Linehan?
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It’s a pretty small island so probably
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the first Galbraith book by Rowling also has some of the cringiest writing of Black characters i've ever seen, but Kchama it's still super weird that you're going all "oh it's not transphobic just homophobic" when you're literally quoting a bunch of poo poo that transphobes like rowling openly and loudly believe in like, drat, way to miss the point
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Rockman Reserve posted:the first Galbraith book by Rowling also has some of the cringiest writing of Black characters i've ever seen, but Kchama it's still super weird that you're going all "oh it's not transphobic just homophobic" when you're literally quoting a bunch of poo poo that transphobes like rowling openly and loudly believe in Well, I'm sorry I missed the point. Forgive me. I was dumb and wrong.
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sweet geek swag posted:One of the worst things Rowling added was that muggleborns are actually all distantly descended from wizards. So Hermione isn't actually new blood, she's actually the returning scion of a long lost wizarding family. So the pureblood's bigotry isn't wrong because being a bigot is wrong, it's wrong because the people who they are bigoted against actually meet their racist blood quantum. I mean I know I've said it before I think in this thread, definitely in the Potter one, but like even without that retcon, it's a story where everything Voldemort and his followers say - except for the bit about muggle-borns 'stealing' their magic - is correct. Wizards are objectively a superior class of being. There is nothing a muggle can do that a wizard of similar mental and physical ability cannot, while the world's strongest, smartest, fastest, sexiest, wealthiest, hardest-working muggle will never be able to cast even the simplest of spells. If I was writing Harry Potter, I'd have had it come out during the stories that the entire concept of blood magic is, like the IRL race science it is based on, nonsense promulgated by racists to justify their beliefs. Anyone can become a wizard with the proper training (muggle-borns are just prodigies and/or randos taken in to help keep the genepool from getting too incestuous) and the wizard government just keeps the lie going in order to help keep maintain their privilege and keep their old boys' club small. Instead Rowling has, by accident or design, created a world where the fundamental claims of wizard supremacists, themselves indistinguishable from IRL racialist rhetoric, are factually 100% correct.
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To be fair, this happens in any story where you have a chance of being born a genetic superperson. X-Men historically has the problem of "we're persecuted for being different" and "many mutant powers are insanely dangerous."
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The Bee posted:To be fair, this happens in any story where you have a chance of being born a genetic superperson. X-Men historically has the problem of "we're persecuted for being different" and "many mutant powers are insanely dangerous." It's always funny when people try and say that Xmen are an allegory for prejudice against race or sexuality. Like, last I checked no gay person has the ability to explode the entire earth or slaughter entire cities in a second. Fearing the Xmen is absolutely the correct response.
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mandatory lesbian posted:Even better! It should be obvious im only going off what ive heard so like, sure, bring on the cool demon guy Screwtape is best read as directed to Mike Nelson. Just because he loves Narnia and Tolkien. Urgh this feels unfair.
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The Bee posted:To be fair, this happens in any story where you have a chance of being born a genetic superperson. X-Men historically has the problem of "we're persecuted for being different" and "many mutant powers are insanely dangerous." Yes, and no. I mean I agree on the X-Men issue, see below, but there's some important distinctions. 1. Rowling has made the conflict between the factually correct racists and the inferior untermenschen the central conflict and theme of her entire series. That's not the case in lots of other stories with inborn powers. Especially since until Fantastic Beasts did a bizarre retcon, the wizards were an elite ruling minority, not a persecuted one. 2. There are lots of ways for people to equal or exceed a mutant in power. I mean, Captain America can easily defeat many mutants in a physical fight. There is nothing any mutant can do that other types of superhero in Marvel cannot. Innate racial superiority is not the only path to power in Marvel as it is in Harry Potter. 3. Inborn powers in HP are hereditary. They are not always hereditary in other stories that use them. If a baseline human in the Marvel universe wants to be able to do the things Magneto or Charles Xavier do, they have lots of options. If a muggle wants to cast the simplest of all spells, they have no options. Fashionable Jorts posted:It's always funny when people try and say that Xmen are an allegory for prejudice against race or sexuality. Yeah. If a random homosexual person or African American goes on a tear, they are not any more or less threatening than a heterosexual person or white person of similar means is. If Magneto goes on a tear he's fully capable of wiping out life on at least a continent. There are non-bigoted and morally justifiable reasons to argue for a mutant registry, while there is no non-bigoted justification for doing the same for IRL minority groups.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:It's always funny when people try and say that Xmen are an allegory for prejudice against race or sexuality. Comics are power fantasies. The x-men are an allegory for prejudice in a scenario where the discriminated are capable of fighting back. Just like how Superman was originally coded as Jewish. It's not designed to be real, it's designed to let minorities read about a world where they have options other than just taking the poo poo other people deal to them.
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sweet geek swag posted:Comics are power fantasies. The x-men are an allegory for prejudice in a scenario where the discriminated are capable of fighting back. Just like how Superman was originally coded as Jewish. It's not designed to be real, it's designed to let minorities read about a world where they have options other than just taking the poo poo other people deal to them. Except a lot of time in the early days, Xavier argued for more or less passivity in the face of oppression rather than pacifistic resistance like his inspiration Dr. King. From what I remember of the cartoon and the early comics I read, classic Xavier was basically 'ignore it, behave well and kindly, and people will come around.' EDIT: Like, the inspiration and model for Xavier is the bowdlerized popular culture white person approved version of Martin Luther King, not the actual historical activist.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:If a baseline human in the Marvel universe wants to be able to do the things Magneto or Charles Xavier do, they have lots of options. If a muggle wants to cast the simplest of all spells, they have no options. The trailers for the new Fantastic Beasts have Newt giving a wand to Jacob from Dumbledore. I'd assume they've retconned how things work and that wand lets him cast (probably limited?) spells because otherwise why bother giving him the wand? Has anyone bothered seeing the movie? Does the wand let Jacob do anything?
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Didn't Civil War or something start with a new mutant who spontaneously blew up their entire town just like was discussed?
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I mean I know I've said it before I think in this thread, definitely in the Potter one, but like even without that retcon, it's a story where everything Voldemort and his followers say - except for the bit about muggle-borns 'stealing' their magic - is correct. Wizards are objectively a superior class of being. There is nothing a muggle can do that a wizard of similar mental and physical ability cannot, while the world's strongest, smartest, fastest, sexiest, wealthiest, hardest-working muggle will never be able to cast even the simplest of spells. honestly that kind of makes her remarks that dudley and his descendants will never be wizards because she decided that his father’s DNA erases all traces of magic. quote:A couple of people have told me that they hoped to see Dudley at King’s Cross in the Epilogue, accompanying a wizarding child. I must admit that it did occur to me to do that very thing, but a short period of reflection convinced me that any latent wizarding genes would never survive contact with Uncle Vernon’s DNA, so I didn’t do it.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Except a lot of time in the early days, Xavier argued for more or less passivity in the face of oppression rather than pacifistic resistance like his inspiration Dr. King. From what I remember of the cartoon and the early comics I read, classic Xavier was basically 'ignore it, behave well and kindly, and people will come around.' Xavier turns out to be a huge hypocrite that gets pretty much everyone who works for him killed. The earlier depiction of him is eventually shown to be hopelessly naive. Obviously it wasn't originally intended to be naive, but the whole thing has been very recontextualized.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Instead Rowling has, by accident or design, created a world where the fundamental claims of wizard supremacists, themselves indistinguishable from IRL racialist rhetoric, are factually 100% correct. clearly Lloyd Alexander did it right by having magic be something that had serious side-effects and was not something that could be done easily even if you were born into it
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Splash Attack posted:honestly that kind of makes her remarks that dudley and his descendants will never be wizards because she decided that his father’s DNA erases all traces of magic. The quote you have here is pretty clearly a joke. It's a mean joke, but it's a joke. Rowling does a lot of mean jokes.
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yea I have issues with 'mutants = oppressed minorities' for a lot of reasons but the past decade plus of comics have been very focused on 'old Xavier was an objective failure and a misguided dope who got people killed at best and at worst a genuine sociopath who saw his students as expendable when it comes to his ideology'. There's no way to be a comic reader and think Xavier is the same MLK (Media Approved) analogue he was like fifty years ago.
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sexpig by night posted:yea I have issues with 'mutants = oppressed minorities' for a lot of reasons but the past decade plus of comics have been very focused on 'old Xavier was an objective failure and a misguided dope who got people killed at best and at worst a genuine sociopath who saw his students as expendable when it comes to his ideology'. There's no way to be a comic reader and think Xavier is the same MLK (Media Approved) analogue he was like fifty years ago. hickmaaaaaaaaaaaaan
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Actually I'll give credit where credit is due. Rowling wrote Dolores Umbridge, a villain who I hate more than any villain in any other media aside from maybe Iago in Othello. Then she slowly ripped her mask off and revealed that she was actually Umbridge all along.
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sweet geek swag posted:Actually I'll give credit where credit is due. Rowling wrote Dolores Umbridge, a villain who I hate more than any villain in any other media aside from maybe Iago in Othello. Then she slowly ripped her mask off and revealed that she was actually Umbridge all along. write what you know
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Burkion posted:write what you know Apparently Rowling misheard it as "Write what you are".
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Kchama posted:Apparently Rowling misheard it as "Write what you are". she learned from the best stephen king
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sweet geek swag posted:Actually I'll give credit where credit is due. Rowling wrote Dolores Umbridge, a villain who I hate more than any villain in any other media aside from maybe Iago in Othello. Then she slowly ripped her mask off and revealed that she was actually Umbridge all along. And her solution for the villain was to have her gang raped as punishment. Like 90% of Harry Potter is more of a "wait, loving what?" when you go back no longer obsessed with hoping you get your owl letter.
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pentyne posted:And her solution for the villain was to have her gang raped as punishment. I liked when one interview tried to dance around it by saying the centaurs merely beat and mentally tortured her, not RAPE. You know, good guy poo poo
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sweet geek swag posted:Xavier turns out to be a huge hypocrite that gets pretty much everyone who works for him killed. The earlier depiction of him is eventually shown to be hopelessly naive. Obviously it wasn't originally intended to be naive, but the whole thing has been very recontextualized. Oh, I know that, I'm just saying how it was originally. The X-Men were absolutely being intended as a metaphor for persecuted minorities even at a time when Xavier was still preaching passive non-resistance. I agree they were always intended as metaphors for minorities of various sorts, but I don't agree they were always the power fantasy of a minority that could stand up to its oppressors. And honestly, I always felt they should have gone with Xavier being Onslaught rather than the cop-out half-measure they did. Show that bottling up your righteous indignation and never showing anger or outrage and being a passive doormat is unhealthy and leads to problems. Just, yeah. While mutants-as-minorities is definitely a problematic metaphor (in both the social justice sense of the word and the more literal 'this metaphor is fundamentally flawed' sense), it still compared vastly more favorably to anything in Harry Potter, and not just because the vast majority of people who have written the X-Men over the decades were much better people than Rowling.
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Isn't Xavier weirdly in love with Jean Grey around issue #2 or so of the original run?
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yea but it was presented as normal and cool because life is a nightmare now they treat that as 'hey that was a hosed up way to view this teen you were a mentor of'
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sexpig by night posted:I liked when one interview tried to dance around it by saying the centaurs merely beat and mentally tortured her, not RAPE. Honestly, given how blind Rowling has been regarding how the tropes she uses have history and meaning (her antisemitic goblins for example) I think it is entirely in character for her to completely ignore the fact that the centaurs' primary characteristic in their mythological appearences is a propensity towards rape. In the context of the story, Umbridge was about to use the Torture curse on Harry and his friends before they lured her out into the forest, so Umbridge being tortured by the centaurs is supposed to be poetic justice. Realistically this is just another example of how mean Rowling is.
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