fuctifino posted:

I was living in Paris when her dad and Chirac won the first round. Everyone was expecting Chirac and the left wing guy (forget his name now) to easily win the first round, so when election Sunday happened to be a lovely sunny April day, a lot of people decided to have picnics instead of voting. However, Le Pen's followers laid on free transport for the rural areas and got the racists to the voting booths.

I remember the live announcement of the 1st round. Le Pen won by something like 0.1% over the left wing guy, meaning people were left with a choice of Thatcher of Hitler. You could hear the screams and cries coming from all the balconies as people shouted "DANS LA RUE!!!!", and everyone came piling out onto the streets and up to Place de la Bastille. It was nightly protests and rioting after that until election day.... and that weird feeling where people were grateful that Chirac was president....

Julio Cruz posted:

always a fun game whenever someone brings up Rory:

Morningwoodpecker posted:

He publicly admits to having been wrong about things. Opium and a dodgy tweet spring immediately to mind.

Apologies are ten a penny in UK politics, but owning it and admitting to being wrong personally is very very rare indeed. The public school view of admitting to being wrong is that the leaders of our society (as they see themselves) should never do it they prefer to carry on doing something they know is wrong/stupid/damaging. If people do it they are reminded of it forever after in debates, being a criminal is fine you can't say you made a mistake though. You are supposed to blame it on the lower orders or you let the side down.

kecske posted:

forkboy84 posted:

who knows gently caress all about life for the overwhelming majority of Britons

Morningwoodpecker posted:

He publicly admits to having been wrong about things. Opium

biglads posted:

toniblair

Julio Cruz posted:

"ok sure I was a Tory and voted for Tory things for years but I'm vewy vewy sowwwwwwwy"

Mebh posted:

Meaning its accelerationism for me.

NotJustANumber99 posted:

So we're voting tory?

therattle posted:

I’m relieved that Macron won but the fact that a fascist might have actually won and made it this far is cause for concern, not celebration.

forkboy84 posted:

Hooray, the liberal whose response is "I need to steal policies from the fash" won, what a relief

forkboy84 posted:

Hooray, the liberal whose response is "I need to steal policies from the fash" won, what a relief

therattle posted:

So you’d rather Le Pen won? What a bizarre attack.

Rumda posted:

I'd rather they both died

therattle posted:

So you’d rather Le Pen won? What a bizarre attack.

therattle posted:

Jesus. Can’t one even say that it’s good that an actual fascist lost an election without being sniped at? Yes yes, this thread hates centrists and liberals, I get it, you don’t need to advertise your ideological superiority, but no, they aren’t actually as bad as actual outright fascists.

forkboy84 posted:

but you do you.

Guavanaut posted:

What's interesting is that, unlike Brexit and Trumpism, support for Le Pen was highest in the younger generations (and also overseas territories).

Macron offers gently caress all but drudgery and deprivation to the youth, so unless something good comes along soon, at some point a fascist wins.

therattle posted:

Jesus. Can’t one even say that it’s good that an actual fascist lost an election without being sniped at? Yes yes, this thread hates centrists and liberals, I get it, you don’t need to advertise your ideological superiority, but no, they aren’t actually as bad as actual outright fascists.

Rumda posted:

Like people behave said the only good thing about Macron is he attempts to how fash his actions are which means occasionally stuff doesn't happen, but him winning is far far from a good thing

Rumda posted:

Like people behave said the only good thing about Macron is he attempts to how fash his actions are which means occasionally stuff doesn't happen, but him winning is far far from a good thing

Private Speech posted:

How's that any different from the Tories though?

Private Speech posted:

one of her policies is literally giving money to native French parents who have at least 3 kids to encourage lebensraum.

big scary monsters posted:

Lebensraum (living space) is about increasing your territory in response to perceived overpopulation, not increasing your population.

wikipedia posted:

In the unpublished sequel to Mein Kampf, the Zweites Buch (1928, Second Book), Hitler further presents the ideology of Nazi Lebensraum, in accordance to the then-future foreign policy of the Nazi Party. To further German population growth, Hitler rejected the ideas of birth control and emigration, arguing that such practices weakened the people and culture of Germany, and that military conquest was the only means for obtaining Lebensraum.

The National Socialist Movement, on the contrary, will always let its foreign policy be determined by the necessity to secure the space necessary to the life of our Folk. It knows no Germanising or Teutonising, as in the case of the national bourgeoisie, but only the spread of its own Folk. It will never see in the subjugated, so called Germanised, Czechs or Poles a national, let alone Folkish, strengthening, but only the racial weakening of our Folk.

The völkisch State, conversely, must under no conditions annex Poles with the intention of wanting to make Germans out of them some day. On the contrary, it must muster the determination either to seal off these alien racial elements, so that the blood of its own Folk will not be corrupted again, or it must, without further ado, remove them and hand over the vacated territory to its own National Comrades.

wikipedia posted:

Lebensborn e.V. (literally: "Fount of Life") was an SS-initiated, state-supported, registered association in Nazi Germany with the goal of raising the birth rate of Aryan children of people classified as "racially pure" and "healthy" based on Nazi racial hygiene and health ideology. Lebensborn was established by Heinrich Himmler, and provided welfare to its mostly unmarried mothers, encouraged anonymous births by unmarried women at their maternity homes, and mediated adoption of these children by likewise "racially pure" and "healthy" parents, particularly SS members and their families. The Cross of Honour of the German Mother was given to the women who bore the most Aryan children. Abortion was legalised (and, more commonly, endorsed) by the Nazis for disabled and non-Germanic children, but strictly punished otherwise.

Guavanaut posted:

What's interesting is that, unlike Brexit and Trumpism, support for Le Pen was highest in the younger generations (and also overseas territories).

Macron offers gently caress all but drudgery and deprivation to the youth, so unless something good comes along soon, at some point a fascist wins.

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Nazi Germany with the goal of raising the birth rate of Aryan children of people classified as "racially pure" and "healthy" based on Nazi racial hygiene and health ideology. Lebensborn was established by Heinrich Himmler,

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and provided welfare to its mostly unmarried mothers

TACD posted:

Voting Labour as long as they’re even marginally less shite than the Tories is a complete validation of the tactics of triangulation and guarantees they’ll stay as far to the right as possible

TACD posted:

”It could be even worse” is not the same as “good”. It’s really not surprising that nobody’s celebrating things continuing to decline at the same rate as before.

forkboy84 posted:

I'd not go that far but I don't think it makes much difference really. It comes back to just delaying or slowing down the descent to the bottom. In the 5 years since the last Presidential election Le Pen has gone from 33.90% to 41.45%. 5 more years of Macron wearing fash clothing on immigration etc while also being a neoliberal economically means bad things Next time round. And it's not just share, in raw votes she's gone from 10.6 million to 13.3 million. She won in almost all the overseas departments, exceptions being the 3 in the Pacific.

IDK, sure doesn't seem like great news to me that French workers are going to see their rights attacked by a Louis Napoleon Mk.II but you do you.

Rumda posted:

Like people behave said the only good thing about Macron is he attempts to how fash his actions are which means occasionally stuff doesn't happen, but him winning is far far from a good thing

Failed Imagineer posted:

forkboy84 posted:

Right, OK, but he doesn't admit to being wrong about capitalism.

Guavanaut posted:

He stood in a room full of drunk drivers, wife beaters, tax evaders, racists, homophobes, terves, and squirrel genocides and apologized for gently warming some plant sap and going for a jog. If he knew he was at a jump or get pushed moment I'd have had a lot more respect for him if he'd gone full tilt in the opposite direction about how we've domesticated p. somniferum in Britain since the neolithic and yet prohibitionists have managed to kill more people in the past century than it has in the preceding millennium so maybe it's them that need to say sorry. It wouldn't do his political career much good but that's dead anyway and it might make kieth shite his legal briefs and adjourn for a triple whiskey, and it might (might) even have started a public conversation.