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Who will win the federal Election
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Labor Majority 48 42.48%
Labor Minority 29 25.66%
Liberal Majority 3 2.65%
Liberal Minority 12 10.62%
UAP Majoirty 21 18.58%
Total: 113 votes
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Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

The Lord Bude posted:

What do you guys think; One Nation last or PUP last when I go to vote? It’s like trying to pick whether dog poo poo or cat poo poo is worse.

Hilariously a number of the really small parties are even worse than either of those. The Rise Up crew are complete Christian fascists as are a few of the other micro parties. But their names are a giveaway, as long as you put parties that have names like "Australians for Australia" at the tail end of your ballot you'll be fine.

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Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

A Good Dog

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Tirade posted:

Hilariously a number of the really small parties are even worse than either of those. The Rise Up crew are complete Christian fascists as are a few of the other micro parties. But their names are a giveaway, as long as you put parties that have names like "Australians for Australia" at the tail end of your ballot you'll be fine.

I’m in Griffith, so I don’t have to worry about that poo poo, at least for the lower house. I’ve got Greens, Labor, LNP, PUP and One Nation. I don’t even have independents this time which is a little odd. Ballot is basically going to be in that order, and I think there is a half decent chance of the greens guy winning.

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I'm turning off the news feeds for a while because I'm trans and the deadcatting is really loving getting to me. Knowing that there are people out there who are legit out to get you fucks with your head.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

ScreamingLlama posted:

I'm turning off the news feeds for a while because I'm trans and the deadcatting is really loving getting to me. Knowing that there are people out there who are legit out to get you fucks with your head.

That absolutely loving sucks and I'm so sorry your existance is being turned into a political football. God drat our media and politicians are loving vile.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

An independent named John Myers or John B Myers is running in my electorate again, and has absolutely no website/internet presence apart from a personal FB page that hasn't been updated since 2016 (when he last ran) and this Herald Sun article from the same year revealing that he lost his medical license for sexually assaulting a patient:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader...56dca4739d70a30

I really have to wonder what he thinks he's getting out of it.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
from the herald sun article it sounds like facing consequences for sexual assault awakened perennial candidate syndrome in him, with the aim of getting elected so he can reform what he sees as a corrupt system that lead to him facing consequences for his actions. not particularly rational

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

We won't need editors where we're going.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
https://twitter.com/theage/status/1518048909469581312

dandrews differentiating himself from most labor politicians by actually having a spine

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



im gonna win $50

Animal Friend
Sep 7, 2011

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

im gonna win $50

I read this in Wario's voice for some reason

VivaLa Eeveelution
Apr 3, 2011


Is this legit? The percentages add up to 100%, which seems far too competent to be real

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

Accidents happen.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article...cialshare:other

hmm why is SBS giving Deves a very sympathetically framed interview when no other media is allowed to talk to her. this seems pretty egregious for a public broadcaster, much worse than the usual stuff people accuse various ABC presenters of.

also pretty much confirms the theory that the Liberals want to use transphobia to win over immigrant communities, probably specifically aiming at Labor's marginals in western Sydney. really desperately hoping this backfires majorly against them, things will get so so ugly if transphobia is confirmed as a successful electoral tactic for them & Labor will be too useless to stand up to it at all for the most part

https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1518149409191907328

https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1518150236988112896

like this is just pathetic "journalism"

lih fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Apr 24, 2022

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



tim dunlop wrote a thing asking journalists what they think people dont understand about jounralism, because the only reason people could think political reportering is poo poo is that they must not understand it

https://tdunlop.substack.com/p/what-do-audiences-get-wrong-about?s=r

the responses mostly fall into two categories 1: we're not allowed to do it differently and 2: we decide what is newsworthy. they seem to think learning its poo poo on purpose will mollify people? they only good one imo is the first response from an unnamed sky news source

quote:

I keep telling people the press gallery and the pollies have a symbiotic relationship. They need each other. They feed each other. I saw it all the time at Sky. Get on air, duke it out, then off to the boardroom for collegiate drinks. Apart from some outliers, they know their roles. They feel they have more in common with each other than the great unwashed. The political class. It's understandable in some ways. Hermetically sealed.

the real problem journalists have with social media, the reason they constantly cry about online abuse is that as far as they're concerned this is meant to be a one way street. important people do things, journalists decide what is news and in turn pass it onto the plebs. the plebs are not supposed to talk back

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

"I'm not being transphobic! I'm just saying trans women aren't women and their mere existence infringes on the rights of women. But I sincerely and unreservedly apologise for saying that on twitter."

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

tim dunlop wrote a thing asking journalists what they think people dont understand about jounralism, because the only reason people could think political reportering is poo poo is that they must not understand it

https://tdunlop.substack.com/p/what-do-audiences-get-wrong-about?s=r

the responses mostly fall into two categories 1: we're not allowed to do it differently and 2: we decide what is newsworthy. they seem to think learning its poo poo on purpose will mollify people? they only good one imo is the first response from an unnamed sky news source

the real problem journalists have with social media, the reason they constantly cry about online abuse is that as far as they're concerned this is meant to be a one way street. important people do things, journalists decide what is news and in turn pass it onto the plebs. the plebs are not supposed to talk back

Literally the only positive of twitter is that otherwise insulated people can get called cunts on it.

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

What the gently caress is flash?

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
https://twitter.com/steph_dalzell/status/1518216860705378305

Deves claimed she's received death threats and had to seek police protection but the NSW police said they haven't heard anything about that.

https://twitter.com/TheTodayShow/status/1518341581169905664

insane interview from Dutton saying we're living in a repeat of the 1930s and we need to prepare for war (with China it's very heavily implied)

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
If you don't want China moving into the south pacific, maybe don't have foreign aid at the lowest level its ever been :shrug:



quote:

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parlia...oreignAidBudget

Australia’s Official Development Assistance (ODA) will remain at $4 billion in 2020–21, down $44 million from last year and in line with the Government’s freeze on aid funding expected to remain in place until 2022–23.

Animal Friend
Sep 7, 2011

How was China doing in the 1930s

Animal Friend
Sep 7, 2011

Megillah Gorilla posted:

If you don't want China moving into the south pacific, maybe don't have foreign aid at the lowest level its ever been :shrug:



Yes. China is expansionist and our response has been to run scared from the yellow peril to the USA and increase military spending... Instead of focusing on regional solidarity. There seems to be a real narrative being pushed that it's us against China alone. Ignoring all the countries between us that have more of a reason to fear an expansonist power on the basis of geography alone.

Capt.Whorebags
Jan 10, 2005

Megillah Gorilla posted:

If you don't want China moving into the south pacific, maybe don't have foreign aid at the lowest level its ever been :shrug:

Or stop selling them coal and iron ore that they can use to make war ships.

I love that piece in Utopia about the Defence Force being necessary to protect our trade routes with China from being disrupted by China.

Konomex
Oct 25, 2010

a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

Animal Friend posted:

How was China doing in the 1930s

I actually know this because I studied Chinese history for awhile. And the answer is: Not so good. If we are repeating history we should see Japan invade mainland China and absolutely hand their poo poo to them in about 5 years time.

mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

ScreamingLlama posted:

I'm turning off the news feeds for a while because I'm trans and the deadcatting is really loving getting to me. Knowing that there are people out there who are legit out to get you fucks with your head.
it's a good idea to turn off the news.

mahershalalhashbaz fucked around with this message at 13:28 on May 8, 2022

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



quote:

The ABC has confirmed Weekend Breakfast co-host Fauziah Ibrahim has taken a break from presenting while her social media activity is under review.

An ABC News spokesperson told Guardian Australia:

The ABC is reviewing recent social media activity by presenter Fauziah Ibrahim, who has taken a break from on-camera duties but remains part of the Weekend Breakfast team.

The contentious issue is Ibrahim’s Twitter lists which included “Labor Trolls” and “Lobotomised Shitheads”. She has deleted the lists and made her Twitter account private.

dunno if ibrahim was just dumb or making a shrewd move to ensure they wont on the chopping block

mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

actually, speaking of disability, does anyone itt have any experience with disability employment services? there's a royal commission going on right now that is unearthing some nasty poo poo (pack boxes for $4/hour! have a go to get a go!) but it seems to be the opinion of the public that disabled people should just suck it up and accept that slave labour is their lot in life. i have been on des for about two years now and my personal consultant is quite evil, i am blessed to have a single shining specialist who protects me from centrelink but i've seen enough of the des methodology to know they're absolutely ruining the lives of people who are more vulnerable than i am.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

the real problem journalists have with social media, the reason they constantly cry about online abuse is that as far as they're concerned this is meant to be a one way street. important people do things, journalists decide what is news and in turn pass it onto the plebs. the plebs are not supposed to talk back

Bang on. I have no doubt that journos, especially female journos, cop plenty of genuinely vile personal abuse in their DMs. But it would be helpful if they didn't sulkily characterise all legitimate criticism (or mockery, for that matter) as "abuse."

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
i really hope that the disability royal commission leads to real improvement in regards to all the issues it has raised. i don't even think that the public actively supports stuff like slave labour for disabled people, just that sort of thing is very much kept out of the public eye and no one thinks about it. don't have any faith in the current government to meaningfully improve much at all even once the royal commission is finally done, but it's at least likely that labor will try to fix some things.

my only experience with disability services is being on the ndis, which i've found to be quite a mess of a system. my needs are not very big & i'm capable of advocating for myself, so i can only imagine how badly it lets down people who are more vulnerable than i am.

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde
https://twitter.com/epistemophagy/status/1518116716886523905?s=20&t=ek_gwIUMOwgSfqpJThNAHQ

mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

la albanesa

mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

lih posted:

i really hope that the disability royal commission leads to real improvement in regards to all the issues it has raised. i don't even think that the public actively supports stuff like slave labour for disabled people, just that sort of thing is very much kept out of the public eye and no one thinks about it. don't have any faith in the current government to meaningfully improve much at all even once the royal commission is finally done, but it's at least likely that labor will try to fix some things.

my only experience with disability services is being on the ndis, which i've found to be quite a mess of a system. my needs are not very big & i'm capable of advocating for myself, so i can only imagine how badly it lets down people who are more vulnerable than i am.
the most noteworthy recent thing about my des experience was that my consultant went hard on trying to get me to work as a disability support worker. like, "you are interviewing here, they will offer you this position, and if you say no, i'm putting you down as non-compliant." she told me absolutely nothing about the role until i dug, and only begrudgingly admitted i'd be going into the homes of the highest-need, most "full on" clients to clean their kitchens and their bathrooms. which is definitely something that needs to be done - but i am disabled too, and immunocompromised (i just had covid and even triple vaxed it's kicked my rear end), and i am just not the person for that sort of job. she also told me happily that she gets "a couple of grand" for placing me. i had no opportunity to say no, and only my gp and psychologist tag-teaming to write angry letters to the provider got me out of it. now the coalition keeps bragging about how many more workers there are in disability and aged care from november last year, and i know drat well it's because they've turned the pressure on long-term centrelink recipients to do those jobs or get cut off and starve.

i ended up with a certificate from my gp saying i'm unfit to work for a few months, and my des consultant tried to convince me not to upload it lol

mahershalalhashbaz fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Apr 25, 2022

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


mahershalalhashbaz posted:

actually, speaking of disability, does anyone itt have any experience with disability employment services? there's a royal commission going on right now that is unearthing some nasty poo poo (pack boxes for $4/hour! have a go to get a go!) but it seems to be the opinion of the public that disabled people should just suck it up and accept that slave labour is their lot in life. i have been on des for about two years now and my personal consultant is quite evil, i am blessed to have a single shining specialist who protects me from centrelink but i've seen enough of the des methodology to know they're absolutely ruining the lives of people who are more vulnerable than i am.

When I was in my final year of high school I did holiday work for an organization which hired disabled people (mostly intellectual disabilities). They did minor assembly and packaging work, and things like stripping the foam off returned QANTAS in flight audio headsets to prepare them for cleaning.

During school and uni holidays they would get students in to help catch up the backlog of work, along with helping out with tasks that they don't want some of the intellectually disabled workers doing (some tasks involved using a drill press) and that's what I did. I was strongly recommended to not mention the princely $8 an hour I was receiving (this was at the turn of the century) because it dwarfed what most of the full-time workers received, but it was explained to me that this was because they also received government funding that made up the difference.

At the time I didn't question it too much, assuming everything probably made sense. I can definitely believe these reports coming out.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

mahershalalhashbaz posted:

the most noteworthy recent thing about my des experience was that my consultant went hard on trying to get me to work as a disability support worker. like, "you are interviewing here, they will offer you this position, and if you say no, i'm putting you down as non-compliant." she told me absolutely nothing about the role until i dug, and only begrudgingly admitted i'd be going into the homes of the highest-need, most "full on" clients to clean their kitchens and their bathrooms. which is definitely something that needs to be done - but i am disabled too, and immunocompromised (i just had covid and even triple vaxed it's kicked my rear end), and i am just not the person for that sort of job. she also told me happily that she gets "a couple of grand" for placing me. i had no opportunity to say no, and only my gp and psychologist tag-teaming to write angry letters to the provider got me out of it. now the coalition keeps bragging about how many more workers there are in disability and aged care from november last year, and i know drat well it's because they've turned the pressure on long-term centrelink recipients to do those jobs or get cut off and starve.

i ended up with a certificate from my gp saying i'm unfit to work for a few months, and my des consultant tried to convince me not to upload it lol
sorry you have to deal with all that poo poo

it sounds like pretty typical job agency poo poo, maybe just even more blatantly evil because they expect disabled people will be even easier to push around and exploit

everything about employment services is broken and should be abolished

Konomex
Oct 25, 2010

a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...
I did temp work for a while when I was younger, and one of the jobs was at a flower factory around mothers day. I was very excited to be on the flower assembly line when I rocked up that morning, but as I was the only guy who showed up from the temp agency all the women were sent to arrange flowers and they put me on the box assembly line which was two guys - one supervisor and one intellectually disabled man who was very nice but not at all talkative. For some reason the supervisor thought I was also disabled before I'd even said a word, because I guess everyone who got sent to put cardboard boxes together was disabled. I did wind up assembly every box they had for mothers day before lunch, and they sent me home early and said don't come back for the next 3 days as I'd done it all. The supervisor did apologize for treating me like I was disabled. It was altogether a very surreal and off putting experience. The guy they usually had doing boxes was on a very small fraction of what I'd been making that day.

On the one hand, from the capitalists perspective - if someone is capable of a fraction of the work, give them a fraction of the pay. On the other hand, that is a very lovely perspective to take. It's not like they gave me 3 days worth of pay either. Strong reasoning for a UBI.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before
My story about employment is that there is now an absolutely devastating lack of onshore technical specialists in Australia. Its an abject failure of our education system that we are pumping out lawyers into low paid admin jobs due to oversupply while you can't pay enough to get a person to touch computers the right way.

Tehan
Jan 19, 2011

mahershalalhashbaz posted:

actually, speaking of disability, does anyone itt have any experience with disability employment services? there's a royal commission going on right now that is unearthing some nasty poo poo (pack boxes for $4/hour! have a go to get a go!) but it seems to be the opinion of the public that disabled people should just suck it up and accept that slave labour is their lot in life. i have been on des for about two years now and my personal consultant is quite evil, i am blessed to have a single shining specialist who protects me from centrelink but i've seen enough of the des methodology to know they're absolutely ruining the lives of people who are more vulnerable than i am.

It used to be the case and might still be the case that you could change your provider pretty easily, if you research the ones in your area you can hopefully find one that's a non-profit or not-for-profit that should hopefully be less ghoulish. The jobaccess website says that in DES you can switch up to five times no questions asked and that you can do so by calling Centrelink, so even if all of the ones you can reach are for-profit you can shop around and hopefully get someone better.

Tehan fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Apr 25, 2022

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Animal Friend posted:

Yes. China is expansionist and our response has been to run scared from the yellow peril to the USA and increase military spending... Instead of focusing on regional solidarity. There seems to be a real narrative being pushed that it's us against China alone. Ignoring all the countries between us that have more of a reason to fear an expansonist power on the basis of geography alone.

Australian racism has long made sure that this country is completely unable to function diplomatically as anything but an imperial appendage.

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