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Fuzz posted:Goddamn this thread just delivers like crazy for hot takes all around. I normally don't like people who make me agree with Ferrinus, but right now we agree 
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This is the problem with twitter drama. Not only was I given the wrong information to start with, the wrong information came up when I googled it to see if I remembered right! Chuck didn't write the Mekhet book so he is nobody to me, but I hope he can go online without being yelled at someday.
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It’s also not unreasonable for a small author to be concerned about people putting their work online for free. It’s one thing to pick up a book from a library to read for free, and another to put it online for free with no lending policy. That’s how he buys groceries and it’s okay to not be okay with your work just being put up for free. It’s like your boss deciding to only pay you for half the hours you worked last week. Only worse because authors don’t really make as much as people think they do. I will not defend the large publishing houses for their lovely behavior though. They’re as much a part of the problem. Wendig’s name is on a lot of good work in the nWoD books and I expect he didn’t get paid as much for that work as I’d hope a writer would make for it either. I don’t know him as a person, but I’d get annoyed if people started taking my work and then replicating it for free too.
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Kavak posted:I normally don't like people who make me agree with Ferrinus, but right now we agree I apologize profusely for this, that's basically the most insulting thing anyone's said to me in this thread. gently caress, I need to rethink my life.
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Fuzz posted:gently caress, I need to rethink my life.  irl right now
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Jhet posted:It’s also not unreasonable for a small author to be concerned about people putting their work online for free. It’s one thing to pick up a book from a library to read for free, and another to put it online for free with no lending policy. That’s how he buys groceries and it’s okay to not be okay with your work just being put up for free. It’s like your boss deciding to only pay you for half the hours you worked last week. Only worse because authors don’t really make as much as people think they do. Indeed. If I recall correctly, libraries record number of checkouts and this gets reported back to publishers somehow, so publishers can get some idea of how popular books are based on library use. This is not the case for what the Internet Archive decided to do, which was just to put up a bunch of stuff for download while putting up a press release say "Hey, emergency library for everyone who needs it!" Chuck wasn't the only person who tweeted "What the hell is this?" in response, but he is somehow the guy that a bunch of assholes picked as their scapegoat when the Archive was subsequently sued.
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Apr 26, 2022 04:10
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All I know about Chuck Wendig is that Hunter: the Vigil First Edition is an excellent line and it wouldn't have been what it was without him at the helm.
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Apr 26, 2022 04:24
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Please, Chuck W*ndig.
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Yeah, I was gonna say, if the dude wrote Hunter: The Vigil, then he's in good with me.
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Stephenls posted:There's characters on-screen in the sequel trilogy he invented and he got nothing from it because he was fired first and all his Star Wars work was work-for-hire. Not just the sequel trilogy - Timothy Oliphant’s character in The Mandalorian? The gunslinger? He’s from one of Chuck’s novels.
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As others have said HtV and clanbooks for requiem are fine stuff (and requiem for rome is decent). Also, this might be object lesson on not basing your outlook on unconfirmed twitter drama.
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Unconfirmed, poorly remembered twitter drama at that.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Unconfirmed, poorly remembered twitter drama at that. but zak s still poo poo his pants at chik-fil-a, right? right???
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Arivia posted:but zak s still poo poo his pants at chik-fil-a, right? right??? "Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Except about Zak S." - Marcus Aurelius
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As long as we're on the subject of who wrote what, who wrote BvD? If it was Chuck Wendig I have newfound respect for him.
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pospysyl posted:As long as we're on the subject of who wrote what, who wrote BvD? If it was Chuck Wendig I have newfound respect for him. The Damnation City fiction was all Greg Stolze.
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See, I always had this conflict of "This dude wrote a ton of rpg books I like" vs "He writes terrible Star Wars books". Maybe he lost his writing energy at some point. Seriously his writing advice book is bad. Not because the advice itself is bad (it's got some really good advice in there) but because of the way he wrote them.
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MonsieurChoc posted:See, I always had this conflict of "This dude wrote a ton of rpg books I like" vs "He writes terrible Star Wars books". Maybe he lost his writing energy at some point. Writing isn't a single skill, writing a rulebook and writing a novel are just totally different skills. It's as much of a conflict as learning that somebody who is good at darts is bad at arm wrestling.
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A lot of genre fiction is bad on purpose because that's in many cases it is fun to write and sells well, writing a bad book doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad writer. Also people who write for a living are probably not going to have a 100% success rate.Covermeinsunshine posted:Also, this might be object lesson on not basing your outlook on unconfirmed twitter drama. It's part of the evil of Twitter - it's on me for not fact checking, but the people I got the second (third, fourth, fifth?) hand story from were women and queer people in gaming, many of whom I followed and generally found to be informative. Stuff can slip past your bullshit filters if it's coming from people you assume are in your camp. It's one of the reasons I stopped using that stupid website.
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Stephenls posted:Indeed. If I recall correctly, libraries record number of checkouts and this gets reported back to publishers somehow, so publishers can get some idea of how popular books are based on library use. This is not the case for what the Internet Archive decided to do, which was just to put up a bunch of stuff for download while putting up a press release say "Hey, emergency library for everyone who needs it!" Chuck wasn't the only person who tweeted "What the hell is this?" in response, but he is somehow the guy that a bunch of assholes picked as their scapegoat when the Archive was subsequently sued. So to throw this into a little more disarray, library Twitter was upset because what he was foregrounding is used to reinforce onerous licensing terms for ebooks eg. After so many rentals you have to relicense the book to replicate physical usage degradation. So while his view was perfectly adequate if self centered, he doubled down when told “this argument goes bad places” and gave a lot of ammo to publishers who would be happy to exploit both libraries and authors. Edit: Fine, gently caress I’ll edit out the bad word if that’s what’s bothering people who want to defend Chuck loving wendig Mighty Eris fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Apr 26, 2022 |
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It’s incredible how that one guy’s tweet ruined the word cromulent forever. Bogart needy drinky vv: Oh, for the record, I wasn't making any judgment about you or your use of the word! You're good. tommy needy drinky man is the issue. Bogart fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Apr 26, 2022 |
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Bogart posted:It’s incredible how that one guy’s tweet ruined the word cromulent forever. Bogart needy drinky I’m legit confused, I thought I was just using it in the assumed way of “adequate but not best”?
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Mighty Eris posted:I’m legit confused, I thought I was just using it in the assumed way of “adequate but not best”? Someone made an absolutely awful tweet that used the word and forever cemented it as something people who say big words stupidly say: 
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the word was invented in 1996 for the simpsons, so if that guy managed to be the main way you understand "cromulent" then you're in the small minority of people who thinks he's a more important cultural force than the simpsons
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Tulip posted:the word was invented in 1996 for the simpsons, so if that guy managed to be the main way you understand "cromulent" then you're in the small minority of people who thinks he's a more important cultural force than the simpsons You completely fail to understand how vast swathes of Twitter drove that tweet into the ground.
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Tsilkani posted:You completely fail to understand how vast swathes of Twitter drove that tweet into the ground. It appears the moral of this story across the last couple pages is consistently "don't use Twitter."
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Tsilkani posted:You completely fail to understand how vast swathes of Twitter drove that tweet into the ground. I Am Just a Box posted:It appears the moral of this story across the last couple pages is consistently "don't use Twitter."
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I Am Just a Box posted:It appears the moral of this story across the last couple pages is consistently "don't use Twitter." Plus Musk just bought it, so even more reason not to.
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Unrelated to whatever this is, do we by any chance have anyone more-than-passingly familiar with the recent historiography of prehistoric North America in the thread? I need some recommendations beyond 1491's sources to get myself up to proper speed on the latest scholarship in alternate models to the Clovis model (to consider them for the narrative timeline - alongside a few sidebars about various Native and First Nations scholars who argue that they're all wrong) and I figure I might as well try and crowdsource them rather than just spend all week on the journal databases getting bogged down in niche disputes about specific site ages. For those curious about its status, the canon model in WoD is essentially a pop Clovis migration, but part of the ambition of this document is to present plausible alternatives based on more recent scholarship that tie neatly into various plot points. For ex: in the chapter on the Black Death I also examine the idea that the Black Death wasn't actually y. pestis (even as the evidence for that wanes) but rather a hemorrhagic fever with a comorbid outbreak of y. pestis in a sidebar, with the idea that the outbreak was actually three separate forces at once - natural happenstance leading to a y. pestis outbreak in Crimea, Ratkin with a particularly virulent form of y. pestis piggybacking on the ordinary outbreak, and the supernatural plague unleashed on the Mongols by Yu Lung, the Jade Demon, binding itself to the Ratkin's supernatural y. pestis (which in turn enables us to tie in the rumours that it was spread as widely as it was by the active collaboration of the Skeletal Lord and some Malfeans - in turn, neatly explaining why it didn't really seem to hit Asia all that much and had its heaviest impact in the lands under Stygian oversight). We actually have an in-source endorsement of this idea of a multivalent outbreak (Brucato, Sorcerer's Crusade 55) in the form of 'the Plague Years', a 90-year span from 1330-1420 where both magical and natural diseases combine into particularly terrible outbreaks - which, while silent on the particulars, nicely encompasses the period of time and overlaps at the end with the Year of Great Sickness in Great Zimbabwe that indirectly aids in the formation of the Council of Nine. This triple-plague scenario knots all these together rather nicely, so it gets a sidebar as a plausible alternative for an all-splat history.
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Everyone but the porn artists should quit Twitter until we can make a good dedicated site for them that won't pull another Tumblr.
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Kavak posted:Everyone but the porn artists should quit Twitter until we can make a good dedicated site for them that won't pull another Tumblr. Wrong thread?
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Gantolandon posted:So... What's going on with CoD? I see a lot of hints in this thread that may be no more books for it because of Paradox seeing it as competition to the new old WoD. Did they straight out forbid Onyx Path from making new content? No, they've not forbidden anything to my second-hand knowledge. They're just not approving anything unannounced, and OPP are focusing on finishing the massive backlog of kickstarter addons rather than ask. "Not approving anything" must be taken in the context of "have already approved so many things OPP will be writing for years while it concentrates on its own games" This was always going to happen eventually - nuWhite Wolf was getting to the point that it didn't need the income from licensee books even before it got fully absorbed by Paradox. Onyx Path will naturally focus efforts on its own games where it doesn't need to pay a license or wait for approvals. The nWoD was very nearly shut down (to the point of epilogue letters from devs in some of the books) back in 2009. All the second editions were an unexpected reprieve, but IMO we're firmly in its sunset now. It's been going on a while - I was warning writers in Deviant that they should assume it would be one and done, maybe stretch goal books, and would certainly never get as many books as, say, Demon. Let alone Vampire or Mage.
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Dave Brookshaw posted:No, they've not forbidden anything to my second-hand knowledge. They're just not approving anything unannounced, and OPP are focusing on finishing the massive backlog of kickstarter addons rather than ask. "Not approving anything" must be taken in the context of "have already approved so many things OPP will be writing for years while it concentrates on its own games" I think the brand confusion argument also minimizes this. They went so far as to pull WoD from OPP because they're just not outputting stuff fast enough, and there's a hilarious amount of stuff OPP still owes backers and hasn't delivered on, going back like 6+ years at this point. OPP also has multiple other KSes going for their own stuff, so it just seems like the two companies are severing their relationship in the long run. I kinda don't blame Paradox, even though I love a lot of CofD... leaving people waiting for the better part of a decade for what are in many cases pretty small supplements is just bad form. Just finish the loving stuff on the docket and get it out there already.
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