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Scholtz posted:If he cheated and had both written and filmed evidence of his crimes, why was the media so silent on it? Wouldn't Chevron blast that the guy posting videos of how horribly they polluted the area and show just how much of a cheat he is? Sure, maybe not on CNN or in the NYT, but... at least a little? Maybe? He cheated but Chevron really did pollute the area, so why would they want to make a big deal of that? They got what they want, Donziger was punished way out of proportion for what he did and Chevron will just never pay anyways.
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:He cheated How?
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He cheated which is why the state refused to prosecute him. They love giving up those slam dunks.
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Apr 25, 2022 13:45
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Yeah feels like if they actually did have some smoking gun on him they would have blasted it everywhere in the media to completely discredit him and use it as an excuse for why you can't trust him or his case about them poisoning those people.
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Apr 25, 2022 14:10
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Lmao if you think Chevron would turn down "Corrupt Lawyer Cheated to Win Unjust Ruling; Chevron Vindicated from Pollution Fake News Witch Hunt" headlines
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evilpicard posted:How? seconding this motion
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Apr 25, 2022 14:30
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https://twitter.com/SDonziger/status/1518602432787501056?s=20&t=87VBb9TGus6uK2tajlptuw I wonder how they were going to try to drag him back to hell next. No way this is over.
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Apr 25, 2022 15:56
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Defamation lawsuits from anyone he talked about could happen I think. Even the judge!
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terrorist ambulance posted:i mean, if you want to read the 497 page ruling, go nuts, it's here https://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/chevronruling.pdf You have a dog's brain but none of the people skills.
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Mr. Lobe posted:https://twitter.com/SDonziger/status/1518602432787501056?s=20&t=87VBb9TGus6uK2tajlptuw Jailed for incorrect use of "Kafkaesque"
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Heath posted:Jailed for incorrect use of "Kafkaesque" I dunno, dude was trapped in an unfeeling machine that only sees him as fuel to support the wealthy and powerful that was both horrific and pure evil and yet also absurd and strange, may be the first time on the internet someone actually used 'Kafkaesque' to describe their situation and was correct.
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Apr 25, 2022 18:55
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Please, no meat touching ma'am.
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Apr 25, 2022 19:06
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Hell yeah hopefully a movie review episode incoming https://twitter.com/willmenaker/status/1518622096049508352?s=21&t=AbH8ShOrNjBrSawZcISuxw
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Bad Faith has occasionally interesting guests and whatnot. Funnily, some of her most egregious/“controversial” episodes are behind the paywall, so I don’t ever hear em anyway. There’s also some good Black culture episodes. An early BF episode which is on the Patreon but I’ve wanted to listen to is about white/Black cultural points of reference. It’s always super LOL when she brings up her “shadow ban” which might be real but makes her sound insanely whiny whenever she brings it up. Brie, you aren’t bad but STFU about Twitter stats!
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Apr 25, 2022 21:13
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Please just make a separate thread for it instead of posting about it in here
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Apr 25, 2022 22:38
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So how exactly did Donzinger cheat? And will we get an explanation before or after Amber comes back?
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:So how exactly did Donzinger cheat? And will we get an explanation before or after Amber comes back? I dunno there's a 500-page ruling by the judge who's been loving him over https://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/chevronruling.pdf Big TL;DR there. News reports I can find mention allegations of bribing judges, but I can't find the specifics. I can find that the documentary crew filmed the independent environmental scientist who later wrote the main report having a meeting before he did the report where he presented finding to the plaintiffs in Ecuador and was part of a strategy meeting. I think he got disbarred for the RICO/bribery/ghostwriting reports stuff and then actually got house arrest and 6 months in jail for refusing to release his notes and names of his contacts (so that Chevron could kill them all).
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Apr 25, 2022 23:05
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yeah, the u.s. is going to say lots of things as to why no one has to abide by foreign courts rulings
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quote:Donziger was suspended from practicing law in New York in July 2018, based on rulings by US District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan in the Chevron case. The state bar association appointed an independent referee to investigate. The referee recommended Donziger's reinstatement in February 2020, saying "The extent of [Donziger’s] pursuit by Chevron is so extravagant, and at this point so unnecessary and punitive, [that] while not a factor in my recommendation, [it] is nonetheless background to it". A state appeals court ruled in August 2020 that the referee had been "too dismissive" of the misconduct that Kaplan had alleged, and disbarred Donziger in New York.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Please, no meat touching ma'am. An under-appreciated reference. 
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Heath posted:Jailed for incorrect use of "Kafkaesque"
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The joke is that he didn't actually use it incorrectly and got arrested for it anyway under the claim he did. It would be a very Kafkaesque outcome
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Ordinaire posted:An under-appreciated reference. I, too, got the reference and appreciated it
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https://twitter.com/billybinion/status/1518708420945326089?s=21&t=euV4X-M9NrTvXM3vGgL4gw
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hes right in a way. but the piddling crime that i truly hate elon for is that he's a bad poster
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Ordinaire posted:An under-appreciated reference. The real crime is that when the best episode concludes with Andy getting his break, only by direct action of his empowered friend, and we know it's not gonna happen 20 years later. Gen X was feared for its ambiguity to Boomers but it makes them hate Millennials & Zoomers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-1tk0o59Qc You could write a Marxist thesis on this show with Unemployment Part 2 as the specific example Analytic Engine fucked around with this message at 06:17 on May 20, 2022 |
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IMO, it'd be cool if they did a kickstarter or something to finish the last couple eps they had animatics for or whatever. Nothing 'new' or anything..just those final episode(s?)
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Looked around the enormous report from that judge on Donziger. Seems like a lot of it stems from maneuvering by the Donziger team to get the expert they wanted to be appointed as the independent expert to write the environmental damage report, and thus that dude agreed with a lot of their assessments of things. A lot of these allegations are backed up by quotes from the documentary that have a lot of ellipses in them and seem like they could be read as "We have a strategy to beat Chevron" instead of "We are going to do illegal poo poo to beat Chevron". Donziger's team seems like they were much more on the ball about the selection of this expert dude, which seems to me like gamesmanship along the lines of getting the jury you want selected. There was also some payment to the dude that the report says would have been legal if it was out in the open but that it came from a "secret account" therefore it was 9 different wire fraud and RICO crimes. Didn't read the whole thing of course but it certainly read like the judge was very scandalized by the plaintiff's attempt to win a case. I'm no law-talking guy, but the fact that U.S. attorney passed on it makes more sense having read some of it. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Apr 26, 2022 |
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Apr 26, 2022 15:30
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Is there any info on the judges ties, financial or otherwise, to Chevron?
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Bust Rodd posted:Is there any info on the judges ties, financial or otherwise, to Chevron? https://amazonwatch.org/news/2014/1029-judge-kaplan-held-investments-in-chevron-when-he-ruled-for-company
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drat it really seems like they shouldn’t be allowed be personally financially invested in the defendant’s business
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Groovelord Neato posted:https://twitter.com/SDonziger/status/1376676895001997312?s=20&t=6xO4wW1YNI4KIhGZWDkI7Q just being on the Federalist Society is enough, I don't think the Chevron sponsorship is what's doing it (though it helps of course)
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PostNouveau posted:Seems like a lot of it stems from maneuvering by the Donziger team to get the expert they wanted Thankfully that has never happened in a trial before or since Also tyfys I wasn't reading that poo poo
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The Kingfish posted:https://twitter.com/billybinion/status/1518708420945326089?s=21&t=euV4X-M9NrTvXM3vGgL4gw This is a real emperor new clothes moment for me. He has so many obvious scams going, his reputation is all puffery, and his assets are obviously overvalued. It's trite for me to even say it. He isn't even particularly charming or commanding.
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I figure that if you're not really left-wing or right-wing, there isn't really anyone you can believe in besides these billionaires who pretend to be likable mad scientists. That's the only way I can make sense of it, it's totally delusional. The fandom seems strongest among that hard to define class of young men who are not left, more or less socially liberal, definitely not woke, probably going to lose money in crypto.
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and it all makes a bit more sense if you imagine 0. Musk has deeply held personal convictions he pulled from his rear end and never sniffed 1. He is a capital-p Poster who truly believes he can Post Through It 2. His nickname is "Ol' Musky" 4. He was born on third base & is proud of how cooly he slid home, wearing Nike's studded with his Dad's Apartheid-powered emeralds 5. He's a nerd who values intelligence and rationality above all else 6. He's achieved nothing of value on his own 7. He has nothing "real" to show for his massive self-estimated potential 7. Nobody he respects has ever respected him back and nobody he loved has ever even liked him 8. He couldn't force his Dad to respect him 9. He couldn't force the Stanford Materials Science PhD Program to respect him (lol I dropped out of Cornell's but in 3years not 2 days) 10. He would trade all 10 million fanboys for a single fun thread in GBS people loved or a single shoutout from the most hardened computer janitors of YOSPOS 11. And he will spend billions of dollars protecting the one social media platform that goony nerds frequent because he might finally get us to say we were wrong and HE IS CORRECT ON THE INTERNET!!! This dude is a failure in our own mold, and his shitpile of a personality is the result of experiencing everything that could possibly decrease your posting credibility without permabanning
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I was just wondering earlier today if he has an account on here. Feel free to PM me, Elon.
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