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Why am I getting so many mixed messages on Chris Olave? Some people say he's this ~~amazing~~ route runner and some say he isn't good at all. I know he benefited from Garrett taking the best corners but is he actually good?
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you're going to take your guy and then whoever the bengals are about to pick, for revenge, and like it. probably would be also your guy. don't know. plus "i don't know who that is you're talking about or care about them." - quote from the chefs. Trying to have a friendly time on here and joke around with eachother. if this wasn't appreciated please let me know
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Apr 26, 2022 03:49
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SKULL.GIF posted:Where does Mac Jones get drafted if he went in this draft? My gut feel is around the same place. Willis is probably still seen as the better ceiling and he's battling with Pickett for the pro ready lower ceiling guy.
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Apr 26, 2022 03:50
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kiimo posted:Why am I getting so many mixed messages on Chris Olave? I'd say he's a pretty bad route runner but it's more visually disgusting than ineffective. He loops into his cuts and beats people on speed rather than fooling them. Whether or not you care about that is whatever, there's guys like Tyler Lockett who've made whole careers not caring that he's selling his route. They flipped Garrett, Olave, and Jaxon Smith-Njigba around constantly (they also have Marvin Harrison's kid). Garrett wasn't exactly clearing out routes for everyone so much as there's four top 50 talents on the field causing havoc. Only reason they even dropped games this year was because their o-line played like poo poo at the worst times. Also best corners and Big 10 don't exactly go hand in hand since the 90's. You got Cam Taylor-Britt and Joey Porter's kid and that's about it when it comes to competition. I'd still say he's a fine addition to most teams that can buy time to let him develop his route. He's got NFL speed and body control. While he's a body catcher it looks more like he just doesn't have to snatch it most times than not. He was just straight gliding past people in the MSU game. Penn State played him better. Kept him in front and bullied the gently caress out of him and Wilson whenever they could get a hit on them. Still burned them deep for a TD though. Big knock is the same that's probably going to make Wilson drop is that they're both scrawny as gently caress and don't play nearly as physical as DeVonta Smith did. There's too much bullying on outside routes now for Z receivers because everyone is afraid of quick hitting offenses. DeVonta at least could use his stiff arms to spear people off of him to get space. Olave does none of that.
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Apr 26, 2022 04:21
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If you're going to go with the smaller build WR I don't see the value in Olave over Johan Dotson. Dotson appears to be a slightly slower version of Hollywood Brown who is reasonably better at everything to do with being a WR. The A+ version of Hollywood would be a really good addition to KC.
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Apr 26, 2022 05:29
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The Chiefs brought in two guys and it was Jameson Williams and Pickens so my guess it’s trade up for Williams or wait till the second round for Pickens
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Apr 26, 2022 05:40
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Hey kiimo you know who else got into a hugely anticipated game and then bowed out entirely after he couldn't get around a guy with long reach  Yeah I'm guessing the Chiefs trade up, no shortage of teams looking to move back.
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Pickens is the 1st round talent that’ll drop to 2nd because he’s a huge rear end in a top hat. https://twitter.com/TheoAshNFL/status/1518655434294407168
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Diva Cupcake posted:Pickens is the 1st round talent that’ll drop to 2nd because he’s a huge rear end in a top hat. I want him in AZ. The only thing the Cardinals have abundance of at wr is Veteran Presence. Also, it's Arizona! Colossal rear end in a top hat is not going to stop them. I think the best outcome (for maximum silliness) would be GB. Make the biggest rear end in a top hat in the class have to answer to Aaron Rodgers.
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Apr 26, 2022 14:24
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I think people keep associating rear end in a top hat itt with someone being a gloomy gus in the locker room or 'started his own cryptocurrency' or something when it's actually coaches trying to judge if a guy who has coasted on being a plus athlete at every level cares enough to put in work to overcome the brick wall that is coming or if they are just going to cash their rookie check and peace out
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Apr 26, 2022 14:32
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 Did this get shared before?
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Is he a bigger rear end in a top hat than Marcus Peters? That's the mendoza line of rear end in a top hat.
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Woozie66 posted:Did this get shared before? Mekhi Becton 9.85 Alijah Vera-Tucker 9.80 Denzel Mims 9.77 Jabari Zuniga 9.74 Elijah Moore 8.68 Ashtyn Davis N/A (Injured but would have tested high athletically) 
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Diva Cupcake posted:Professor Funk posted it in the AFCEast thread but this one is slightly different. Douglas' premium picks so far have all been RAS freaks, which doesn't appear to have much correlation with NFL production since Newsome is in the lower right, but still cool to see GM tendencies when looking at potential options. Ah, nice!
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Apr 26, 2022 18:28
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Average age seems like a pointless x axis, especially with the range being so narrow. Draft pick or anything else would have been more useful, unless I am missing how that data tells a compelling story.
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You are receiving this broadcast as a dream...We are transmitting from the year one nine... nine nine ...You are receiving this broadcast in order t
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Pain of Mind posted:Average age seems like a pointless x axis, especially with the range being so narrow. Draft pick or anything else would have been more useful, unless I am missing how that data tells a compelling story. Yeah, people are desperate to try and make meaningful 2D charts when that would be better as two separate box and whisker plots or something.
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Apr 26, 2022 19:27
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https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1519017008557342725?s=20&t=Anu2P60mK__nNFBCDzBJ2g
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Apr 26, 2022 19:28
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Sounds like a guy who thinks 3 OTs could go off the board before #6 and needs to find a trade down option.
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Apr 26, 2022 19:32
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I think people keep associating rear end in a top hat itt with someone being a gloomy gus in the locker room or 'started his own cryptocurrency' or something when it's actually coaches trying to judge if a guy who has coasted on being a plus athlete at every level cares enough to put in work to overcome the brick wall that is coming or if they are just going to cash their rookie check and peace out This is called the Isaiah Wilson Question.
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Apr 26, 2022 21:21
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Diva Cupcake posted:Sounds like a guy who thinks 3 OTs could go off the board before #6 and needs to find a trade down option. Panthers pick is such a mystery. It could be any of the 3 OTs, Pickett, Malik, or even BPA. I think trading back is ideal if the right OT isn’t there.
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Slowpoke! posted:Panthers pick is such a mystery. It could be any of the 3 OTs, Pickett, Malik, or even BPA. Panthers should probably trade back.... Round 1, Pick No. 6: -- Round 4, Pick No. 137: -- Round 5, Pick No. 144: -- Round 5, Pick No. 149: -- Round 6, Pick No. 199: -- Round 7, Pick No. 242: -- That Darnold trade was a rough one.
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Blowjob Overtime posted:Yeah, people are desperate to try and make meaningful 2D charts when that would be better as two separate box and whisker plots or something. I mean that type of chart is specifically for comparing two variables. You can compare as many variables as you want, it's just the context that matters. This is athletic score and age which I think is fine. You get to see how much GMs value more developed, older prospects vs younger, less developed, or a combination of it. Pain of Mind posted:Average age seems like a pointless x axis, especially with the range being so narrow. Draft pick or anything else would have been more useful, unless I am missing how that data tells a compelling story. The real pointless axis is the Y one, especially if this is the cutoff: 
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Pain of Mind posted:Average age seems like a pointless x axis, especially with the range being so narrow. Draft pick or anything else would have been more useful, unless I am missing how that data tells a compelling story. I was thinking the same thing about age. I guess I’m more interested in a discrete age cutoff like “how many prospects did team x draft that were 23 years or older”
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wandler20 posted:Panthers should probably trade back.... We picked up CJ Henderson from the Jags with our 3rd rounder. I wish it did not end up being such a good 3rd rounder, but I think rolling the dice on a young guy who was a top 10 pick the year before is not a bad idea. I was also on board with rolling the dice on Darnold for the same reason. Maybe the Panthers can fire me too when they get rid of Rhule
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Apr 26, 2022 23:06
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It is a pretty pointless graph for a multitude of reasons. Due to the draft process each GM does not have access to the same player pool as well, so even if there was a real correlation between some GMs seeking older vs younger players or higher RAS vs lower RAS players, the GM with lower RAS/older player picks might not actually have a preference for those, they might just be the BPA by the time they pick at 30 or whatever. The age still looks mostly like noise, unless a bunch of 22 year olds are acting like kindergarteners and yelling about who is 22 vs 22 and a half. There are 4 teams outside of ~4 months from the median and the browns are the only team more than 6 months off of the median. I noticed some team have multiple entries (after looking into that stuff), but that should not change anything much since everything is so tightly packed in the middle.
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Apr 26, 2022 23:13
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https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1519088942334812165 Badger fans?
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Pain of Mind posted:It is a pretty pointless graph for a multitude of reasons. Due to the draft process each GM does not have access to the same player pool as well, so even if there was a real correlation between some GMs seeking older vs younger players or higher RAS vs lower RAS players, the GM with lower RAS/older player picks might not actually have a preference for those, they might just be the BPA by the time they pick at 30 or whatever. The age still looks mostly like noise, unless a bunch of 22 year olds are acting like kindergarteners and yelling about who is 22 vs 22 and a half. There are 4 teams outside of ~4 months from the median and the browns are the only team more than 6 months off of the median. I noticed some team have multiple entries (after looking into that stuff), but that should not change anything much since everything is so tightly packed in the middle. I agree with everything except the difference of six months of development on a pre 25 year old's body. Six months in an optimal training program can represent 15ish pounds of muscle, or even an entire ramp up training season. It usually is more evident in linemen. There's also the classic grade school cutoff. If you're 22 vs 22 and a half when the season starts it can influence whether or not you're playing against higher or lower competition all the way up until college. I can totally see GMs having a preference for younger players vs older players.
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Wisconsin would play him at basically nose tackle sometimes he's nuts. He's part of the reason people are a little concerned with Linderbaums play strength
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Big athletic guy that can over pursue sometimes, but was rad for years. The Steelers will probably draft him because of course they will. Has 15 siblings.
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He's going to the Raiders in the 3rd round.
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Rectal Placenta posted:Big athletic guy that can over pursue sometimes, but was rad for years. The Steelers will probably draft him because of course they will. Has 15 siblings. oh god that's perfect and I'll hate it
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Do teams actually believe any of the QBs in this draft are better than Baker?
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kiimo posted:Do teams actually believe any of the QBs in this draft are better than Baker? Cheaper if nothing else.
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kiimo posted:Do teams actually believe any of the QBs in this draft are better than Baker? May develop into better than him. Besides if you really want him just wait till FA in 23 if the Browns aren't willing to salary dump.
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Leo Chenal also sounds like the kind of guy the Patriots pick up too early and then he is a pro bowler for years for them
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https://twitter.com/nat_nfldraft/status/1519127811658862595?s=21&t=yejqWzIu68JMzRoHw6hcgw
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Chenal is a thumper who can anchor a LB corps for a long time. Good instincts, solid tackler, gets in passing lanes when he drops. His stats are artificially inflated a bit from a game against Army where our DC figured out the way to blow up their run game with a wide-set OL was to blitz Chenal in the 1-gap repeatedly.
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FizFashizzle posted:https://twitter.com/nat_nfldraft/status/1519127811658862595?s=21&t=yejqWzIu68JMzRoHw6hcgw so whoa re the Carolina panthers actually suspected to be looking at?
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Abugadu posted:Chenal is a thumper who can anchor a LB corps for a long time. Good instincts, solid tackler, gets in passing lanes when he drops. Barry has been OK but man I really wish we'd gotten Leonhard.
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