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ronya posted:I'm hearing rumblings on a Beijing lockdown becoming more likely in the next week, anyone have a link to good coverage? I don’t know about good coverage, but pictures of empty grocery store shelves are all over social media. SCMP had a story about suddenly finding a few dozen cases and preparing for a lockdown, but the article is gone now. I have family who were about to renovate their apartment in Haidian, but suddenly the workers aren’t allowed into the community.
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ronya posted:senior and immunocompromised residents have to present themselves too, no exceptions Is Shanghai like that? It wouldn't surprise me, seeing how hosed they are. But here there are exceptions, and those exceptions are if you're very old and so it's gonna be a problem, or otherwise disabled in a way. They come to your door then to test you instead.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:54 |
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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/04/shanghais-plan-to-reboot-the-supply-chain-will-hit-workers-the-hardest/quote:Shanghai’s plan to reboot the supply chain will hit workers the hardest Lol, stuck at a factory, forced to work and then sleep on the floor for weeks at a time. loving insanity.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 09:25 |
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Slow News Day posted:https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/04/shanghais-plan-to-reboot-the-supply-chain-will-hit-workers-the-hardest/ Totalitarian enough to force workers to live in their factories, yet not totalitarian enough to develop and deploy a domestic mRNA vaccine over the past 2 years and then force grandpapa to get his shots. Good grief. Covid lockdown fears spark panic buying in Beijing as largest district begins mass testing Residents hope to avoid Shanghai-style shortages as Chinese authorities rush to stamp out outbreak in the capital https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/25/covid-lockdown-fears-spark-panic-buying-in-beijing-as-largest-district-begins-mass-testing quote:Beijingers were flooding supermarkets to stock up on food on Monday, hoping to avoid Shanghai-style shortages in the case of a city-wide lockdown as the capital records a growing number of Covid infections. So it looks like we are already seeing the goalposts move from zero-Covid to "zero-Covid in a social setting". I imagine that will continue to shift.
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a thread: https://twitter.com/chris__pc/status/1518541406821748736
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I don't pretend to know the right way to deal with a COVID outbreak, but I have confidence that what's going on in Shanghai ain't it.
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SlothfulCobra posted:We did it two years ago, guy. Democracy's great. China should try it sometime. Remind me how many people have died of Covid-19 under Biden compared to Trump? Seriously though, Chinese people aren't going to overthrow their government for the same reason we don't overthrow ours - they aren't organised or desperate enough for that yet. Until the "zero-Covid" strategy actually collapses, then people will stay cowed.
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# ? Apr 25, 2022 23:06 |
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https://twitter.com/chris__pc/status/1518544884239454209?s=20&t=YUD9sL3kIirK3R1mPCAcxA I find this interesting. Political groups often start as practical groups as a local community organizes to fill some need and people start recognizing "Oh, hey, that guy is active in the community and seems to know what they're doing and they helped us get through this current problem, maybe they have some other good ideas and maybe our organization can serve more purposes than the immediate one we founded it for." After this situation is over you might have a lot of unofficial grassroots leaders popping up in Shanghai who helped their communities organize and weather the current crisis, and who have plenty of reasons to be distrustful of either the government's willingness or ability to help in times of need. I wonder how that will play out and how the government might react to that?
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Not So Fast posted:Remind me how many people have died of Covid-19 under Biden compared to Trump? What the heck do either of those chucklefucks have to do with democracy? (Seriouspost by the by.)
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ronya fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Apr 26, 2022 |
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands If Solomon islands continue seeking defense guarantees from China, the US may have to react to defend its sphere of influence. FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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FishBulbia posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands uh this seems outright ridiculous on the US's part
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FishBulbia posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands Ugh. Do they not realize how hypocritical this sort of rhetoric looks right now? Having said that: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/solomon-islands-tells-japan-it-will-not-allow-china-military-bases-2022-04-26/
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# ? Apr 27, 2022 04:34 |
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If you actually read the article that’s not what was said, they said that the Solomons’ decision gave security implications for the rest of the region, and if China established a base there they will have to act accordingly. They also said the US is not in the visitor telling countries to choose China or US over the other. My uninformed read of that is that it probably looks like more U.S. presence in the SCS and the pacific islands.
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therobit posted:If you actually read the article that’s not what was said, they said that the Solomons’ decision gave security implications for the rest of the region, and if China established a base there they will have to act accordingly. They also said the US is not in the visitor telling countries to choose China or US over the other. My uninformed read of that is that it probably looks like more U.S. presence in the SCS and the pacific islands. Yeah it's a grossly poor-faith reading of “Look, I’m not going to speculate and I’m not in a position to talk about what the United States may or may not do in such a situation.”.
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therobit posted:If you actually read the article that’s not what was said, they said that the Solomons’ decision gave security implications for the rest of the region, and if China established a base there they will have to act accordingly. They also said the US is not in the visitor telling countries to choose China or US over the other. My uninformed read of that is that it probably looks like more U.S. presence in the SCS and the pacific islands. What do you think 'acting accordingly' looks like?
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Varinn posted:What do you think 'acting accordingly' looks like? As I said in that post, more military presence in the SCS and pacific islands.
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therobit posted:As I said in that post, more military presence in the SCS and pacific islands. Is that not just "imperial powers argue about spheres of influence. Ignoring wishes of local peoples."?
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therobit posted:If you actually read the article that’s not what was said, they said that the Solomons’ decision gave security implications for the rest of the region, and if China established a base there they will have to act accordingly. They also said the US is not in the visitor telling countries to choose China or US over the other. My uninformed read of that is that it probably looks like more U.S. presence in the SCS and the pacific islands. quote:“Of course, we have respect for the Solomon Islands sovereignty, but we also wanted to let them know that if steps were taken to establish a de facto permanent military presence, power projection capabilities, or a military installation, then we would have significant concerns, and we would very naturally respond to those concerns,” he said. Why are the Solomon islands concluding a purely defensive agreement a threat to the US? Could you explain how this is different than Lavrov's statements on Ukraine? FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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therobit posted:As I said in that post, more military presence in the SCS and pacific islands. I don't know what you were disagreeing with when it came to peoples reactions to the story, then? It sounds like you agree that the US is saying they would take a millitary action (increasing local presence of armed forces) if the Solomon Islands agreed to a defensive arrangement with China. That's in agreement with the original read of FishBulbia posted:US may have to react to defend its sphere of influence.
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You can't just call everything that happens in foreign policy a sphere of influence thats not how this works. The US isn't asserting a veto or the Solomon Islands foreign policy or threatening invasion.
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Alchenar posted:You can't just call everything that happens in foreign policy a sphere of influence thats not how this works. The US isn't asserting a veto or the Solomon Islands foreign policy or threatening invasion. Yeah they can just sponsor a coup instead. What do you feel is the best term for the area in which a great power feels adversarial encroachment represents a threat? Zone of Strong Feelings? Area of Involvement? FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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Alchenar posted:You can't just call everything that happens in foreign policy a sphere of influence thats not how this works. The US isn't asserting a veto or the Solomon Islands foreign policy or threatening invasion. That seems well beyond what anyone in this thread posted, or what the article says, to be fair, so I'm sure exactly what you're responding to.
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FishBulbia posted:Zone of Strong Feelings? Found the new forum name for d&d 😆
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FishBulbia posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands It's been said before but this is a ludicrously bad-faith clickbait title. The journalist was pressing for a soundbite. The US govt spokesperson said "Look, I don't have the ability to answer any of these questions. I'm a random schmoe who cannot state that the US is or is not going to war just because a journo asks me." And of course the journo then uses this in the most inflammatory way they can, and those who want to eat it up.
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Nilbop posted:It's been said before but this is a ludicrously bad-faith clickbait title. apparently if you want the real psycho imperialist takes, AU commentariat is the place to go
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Nilbop posted:It's been said before but this is a ludicrously bad-faith clickbait title. Why is what the solomon islands doing at all a concern for the US?
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FishBulbia posted:Why is what the solomon islands doing at all a concern for the US? They don't. They met and told the Solomon government the potential outcomes of hosting PLA forces should tensions in Taiwan or the South China Sea boil over and a shooting war starts. In that scenario, should Chinese military assets including men, bases, ships, and aircraft be operating on Solomon Is territory, they would almost certainly be hit in order to prevent Chinese naval and air assets from threatening US and potentially allied rear areas and logistics. Basic 101 stuff.
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FishBulbia posted:Why is what the solomon islands doing at all a concern for the US? Given that China is constantly menacing everyone in the neighborhood and using bellicose rhetoric surrounding Taiwan do you even need to ask this? If they are increasing China’s ability to be a bad actor in the region, it is impacting US allies and interests. What’s being implied by the headline is a threat of attack which is not what is happening at all.
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# ? Apr 27, 2022 19:17 |
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Personally, its probably a good thing that the SI are getting additional security from China, seeing as they failed to stop anti-chinese pogroms from happening prior.
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You might think that physics has nothing to do with chinese etho-nationalism but our glorius leader disagrees https://mobile.twitter.com/TGTM_Official/status/1519350660407468032
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Despera posted:You might think that physics has nothing to do with chinese etho-nationalism but our glorius leader disagrees That's strange, and concerning. We've seen what politicizing science has done to American society over the last, well, *waves hands at the 2nd half of the 20th century and beyond*. I would expect a Communist state to be better about it. Don't they revere the scientific process as part of the intellectual legacy of Communism? If I'm mistaken then my apologies.
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# ? Apr 27, 2022 21:42 |
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How are u posted:I would expect a Communist state to be better about it. Don't they revere the scientific process as part of the intellectual legacy of Communism? If I'm mistaken then my apologies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
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I was thinking about posting him Also the politiciation of science in america has gone on forever but never on this level x(E) = (M)arxism x (C)hinese^(C)haracteristics Despera fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I don't pretend to know the right way to deal with a COVID outbreak, but I have confidence that what's going on in Shanghai ain't it. It's not that hard to find a good example of a way to deal with a COVID outbraek. In a large city. In southern China. In spring of 2022. Just look at Shenzhen. Shanghai loving up royally should be evidence that they need LESS independence from Beijing, not more.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/27/world/asia/china-covid-propaganda.html Things appear to be getting worse still
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Bill Bishop quoted this interview with Joerg Wuttke recently.quote:So given the choice between pandemic control and the economy, the economy gets the short end of the stick? There's probably space for a non-trivial discussion around the influence of business-related metrics on local and national political structures in China, Russia and the US right now.
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While it's fairly easy to infer how this link is relevant and what you're arguing with it, it's best to state this explicitly in your own words when linking an article so no one has to guess.
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Cefte posted:Bill Bishop quoted this interview with Joerg Wuttke recently. This is from a month ago, and things have gotten far worse since. Is there something more recent?
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oh trust me, lysenko and his decades-long tenure is an embarrassment to communists everywhere (weirdos like Haz do not count as communists)
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