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Mx. posted:it would be lovely if he died If he got bad food poisoning and died making GBS threads and farting on the toilet the only person I’d feel sorry for is whoever found his corpse.
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This is SO LONG, but weirdly interesting. Sinfest is apparently one of those things where you actually can break it into clear eras with no overlap, because you can tell just the EXACT days when he gear shifts in his dudebro-feminist-swerf-terf journey, there's no gradual transitions. Also it's pretty funny to watch that thread writer constantly grappling with the fact the author very clearly wants to do metaphorical storytelling, but can't keep his metaphors straight. What are demons meant to represent? What about the fembots? The zombies? He can't decide!
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The best analogy from it is where they say that Sinfeset is what happens when a political cartoon ends and like, a large chubby feline with a hat that says "Democratic Porkbarrel Projects" has to go run errands and bumps into his friend, Sixteen Different Parodies of Obama. Ishida occupies the same uncomfortable space for me that incels do, in that I can see them as victims as much as oppressors, even if I can't ever bring myself to excuse or forgive their dumbass poo poo.
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Apr 27, 2022 04:18
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Skwirl posted:Yeah, these people don't have drunken debates in bars about bullshit, so don't know how to actually talk with someone in person who has a completely different opinion than you. They just have talking points, which works great when you're a talking head on tv with a sympathetic host, or when you're writing op-eds for the Federalist or whatever, but don't work when you're talking with someone actually trying to engage you. They do this on purpose. There's that one quote about anti-semites; they don't actually care about the content of their arguments, and they know it, all they care about is having an audience and someone dumb enough to give it to them. Their opponents believe in words, which they find hilarious, and when it stops being fun they'll indicate by some lofty gesture the time for debate is past.
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Apr 27, 2022 04:36
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Neito posted:The best analogy 
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I'm not sure what you're objecting to in that sentence, so I'm not sure if I'm being the idiot or not.
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Splicer posted:Only a bit in but it's infuriating. He'll give an informed and well-reasoned statement and then she'll respond by talking while saying absolutely nothing. Vaush basically spends his time debating alt-righters and incels, explicitly to try and de-radicalise their audience. He's capable of some good well-reasoned takes, and his non-debate videos with people he likes are cool and wholesome. He's also a massive debate-bro edge lord who will troll you with absurd hypotheticals, and devil's-advocate you with ridiculous claims and then call you a loving moron for 20 minutes. And he's the living embodiment of twitter drama - as all you tubers are.
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Apr 27, 2022 10:34
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I just found an old Sinfest t-shirt I had from back in the day. Welp
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Strom Cuzewon posted:he's the living embodiment of twitter drama - as all you tubers are. Yeah remember that thing with Atomic Shrimp? That was something hoo boy.
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Apr 27, 2022 11:44
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Thank you!
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Panfilo posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK0YPY1tjJQ In case it’s not obvious Soh is a transphobe and one of the pet doctors of TERFs and the like.
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Apr 27, 2022 12:23
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That is a great thread! I've never read Sinfest but it was one of those things that always popped up on many places in the early 2000s. Some of those early strips are cringy now, but I'd wager the average SA humor was even worse in those days. Then the world changed and Sinfest doubled down. And also lol Twitter is the worst possible medium for long form writing it's amazing how people do those mega threads. ThreadReader makes it nice tho.
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lobsterminator posted:That is a great thread! I've never read Sinfest but it was one of those things that always popped up on many places in the early 2000s. At least for that one I think they were originally live tweeting their read through rather than setting out to write a cohesive piece? Also I thought Vaush was one of those mgtow types. Is there someone else with a V name I've gotten him mixed up with?
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Emily Spinach posted:At least for that one I think they were originally live tweeting their read through rather than setting out to write a cohesive piece? Roosh V?
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Roosh V? Yeah I was definitely mixing those two up and getting very confused.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Roosh V? Oh that's it.
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Vaush/irish laddie is a discord harasser guy who talks like an anime villain and is probably also a pedophile, op.
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He’s the “tactical usage of n-word” guy
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He's essentially these forums made flesh
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lobsterminator posted:That is a great thread! I've never read Sinfest but it was one of those things that always popped up on many places in the early 2000s. I've never heard of Sinfest but it's fascinating to watch someone slowly turn into a monster over the course of 20 years
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Emily Spinach posted:At least for that one I think they were originally live tweeting their read through rather than setting out to write a cohesive piece? I seem to recall that being the case. My word, what a staggering descent into insanity. What would their younger self say if they saw where they ended up?
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Scratch Monkey posted:I've never heard of Sinfest but it's fascinating to watch someone slowly turn into a monster over the course of 20 years It's very much like Cerberus long-form in that regard. As others have expressed, it's weird being someone who did read a bit of Sinfest back in "the day"; it was always kinda around the periphery of the "You're into webcomics" community; it'd pop up, you'd read a few, then forget about it until the next time. The weird thing to me is now easily it slots into these different eras, as someone upthread said; there's a very specific "I was going for syndication" era, then an "I'm trying to do more earnest, human stories" era, then just the standard nofap pipeline of Nofap to SWERF to TERF to "(((JEWS))) are running the world" lizard people conspiracy.
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I want to be a lizard person, when are the illuminati going to make me a lizard person.
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Data Graham posted:I just found an old Sinfest t-shirt I had from back in the day. Hm. Guillotine
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OwlFancier posted:I want to be a lizard person, when are the illuminati going to make me a lizard person. I mean, that's how it always is with this conservative conspiracies; the world they describe sounds loving awesome. I want to be a post-human cyborg! (For those not up on your weird-rear end conspiracy theories, one of them is that NWO/Soros/Jewish people are behind the transgender movement to get everyone to accept post-humanism and that means brain control chips for everyone after that)
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It freaks me out that I was into webcomics, to the point I briefly tried starting one before abandoning that notion entirely. Then I casually followed them as bookmarks. Subsequently I lost the bookmarks over the course of several years and moves and new computers, and I stopped following them. Several times, years apart, I briefly remembered them and checked them out again. But the last time I did *that* was many many years ago. AND SOME OF THEM ARE STILL GOING DAILY SINCE THAT TIME
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OwlFancier posted:I want to be a lizard person, when are the illuminati going to make me a lizard person. I kinda want to be Jewish, but I'm pretty attached to my foreskin
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Brawnfire posted:It freaks me out that I was into webcomics, to the point I briefly tried starting one before abandoning that notion entirely. Then I casually followed them as bookmarks. Subsequently I lost the bookmarks over the course of several years and moves and new computers, and I stopped following them. Several times, years apart, I briefly remembered them and checked them out again. But the last time I did *that* was many many years ago. Just wait until you hear how long print comics have been going
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I know, right? Like, what the *gently caress*?
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Tenebrais posted:print comics
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Neito posted:It's very much like Cerberus long-form in that regard. Sinfest was funny like that in that it had above-average art (considering how low the bar was in the 00s) and a regular update schedule (again, low bar) but never really gained a foothold of influence the way a lot of comics did, even niche holdouts like Freefall or Schlock Mercenary, or a bunch of quiet furry comics they have April Fools crossovers with. I get the feeling the author wasn't good at making friends the way the others were, even back in the day. Apparently he's been at it since the 90s? On rereading or even someone else's rereading it's easy to see why, it was too edgy for syndication (and really, syndication was already a pipe dream if you weren't a boomer) and never really found a consistent voice otherwise until it went full transphobic screed.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Sinfest was funny like that in that it had above-average art (considering how low the bar was in the 00s) and a regular update schedule (again, low bar) but never really gained a foothold of influence the way a lot of comics did, even niche holdouts like Freefall or Schlock Mercenary, or a bunch of quiet furry comics they have April Fools crossovers with. I get the feeling the author wasn't good at making friends the way the others were, even back in the day. Apparently he's been at it since the 90s?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Sinfest was funny like that in that it had above-average art (considering how low the bar was in the 00s) and a regular update schedule (again, low bar) but never really gained a foothold of influence the way a lot of comics did, even niche holdouts like Freefall or Schlock Mercenary, or a bunch of quiet furry comics they have April Fools crossovers with. I get the feeling the author wasn't good at making friends the way the others were, even back in the day. Apparently he's been at it since the 90s? I disagree with the last point; his consistent voice definitely started with his NoFap "Men are evil, women are chaste and pure, porn is violence" bullshit. Men are 100% perpetrators of violence in Tatty's world. Slick is depicted as addicted to porn, unable to free himself from his nature, much like the proverbial scorpion. Then look at the only lesbian relationship in his work: It's all hand holding and cuddling and being cute. To the point that the only woman with any sexual agency in the comic is a literal devil who's entire plotline has been pushed to the side to make room for more comments about how sex is bad and icky and gross. Splicer posted:Part of why I never frequently read (past tense) sinfest was because the art may be technically good but it's always been incredibly bland and lifeless. I'm not even sure I twigged that people posting sinfest comics were all posting the same comic. NGL when people first started posting Sinfest I thought Bloom County had started again.
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Neito posted:I disagree with the last point; his consistent voice definitely started with his NoFap "Men are evil, women are chaste and pure, porn is violence" bullshit. Men are 100% perpetrators of violence in Tatty's world. Slick is depicted as addicted to porn, unable to free himself from his nature, much like the proverbial scorpion. Then look at the only lesbian relationship in his work: It's all hand holding and cuddling and being cute. To the point that the only woman with any sexual agency in the comic is a literal devil who's entire plotline has been pushed to the side to make room for more comments about how sex is bad and icky and gross. That's really the foreshadowing of the TERF era tbh, it's the same poo poo going on with Joss Whedon feminism without a filter.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's really the foreshadowing of the TERF era tbh, it's the same poo poo going on with Joss Whedon feminism without a filter. I remember way, way back in the day the Internet getting very mad at a Shakesville article that called out the first episode of Firefly for being incredibly creepy with tons of hints of domestic and sexual abuse from Mal. And I hope the person who wrote that is okay now, and is feeling very, very justified.
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Arivia posted:I remember way, way back in the day the Internet getting very mad at a Shakesville article that called out the first episode of Firefly for being incredibly creepy with tons of hints of domestic and sexual abuse from Mal. And I hope the person who wrote that is okay now, and is feeling very, very justified. Even the idea that someone hadn't WATCHED Firefly was anathema on the internet for a while, let alone hating it. It was kinda a weird proto-MCU cult.
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It was a good show, at least when I watched it 20 years ago. Dollhouse, on the other hand, was super creepy from frame 1.
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Firefly ripped all of its good ideas and some bad ones from contemporary anime. It's just Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop with a dusting of Star Wars.
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Ambitious Spider posted:Deactivated my Twitter because gently caress that guy, and ill probably still see any “good”stuff on here. Yeah, me too. Probably good anyway, real easy to get mad about things on twitter and as I scroll more it just keeps feeding into itself. Not healthy at all.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Firefly ripped all of its good ideas and some bad ones from contemporary anime. It's just Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop with a dusting of Star Wars. Thank you! It's effectively just Whedon's overly expensive Fan Fiction because he couldn't get the rights to Bebop. Hilariously, when the live action Bebop did finally materialize....it was just like firefly and fell super flat.
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