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Note that's the luxury stretch wiesel.
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lightpole posted:Ah, I saw something about the Swiss banning the export of ammo and I'm assuming its for that. Thought that was for the Marders?
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Pine Cone Jones posted:https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1519092602594742273?t=PZWHZE824s-rziK_INyazQ&s=19 So, the SDO and others are all saying that Russia hasn’t moved any of their 12 BTGs out of Mariupol and that they are continually attacking and bombarding. Like Putins whole big public announcement about pulling out and saving Russian lives was just a giant farce. At this rate I expect Putin to announce he’s won on May 9 and then just carry on fighting without an ounce of shame.
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SlowBloke posted:It's a anti-air turret on top of a Leopard1 chassis, so it's technically half a tank. gonna need to see this next to a 50cc moped for scale
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How much would everyone like to bet on them parading Ukrainian POW's on Red Square during the May 9 parade?
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One dude will now be immortalized for his double chin and his sad rear end looking Ted Cruz face. https://twitter.com/aravanady/status/1517804267037507584 Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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A.o.D. posted:Sounds like an ideal scout wagon. Like, maybe there should be a version equipped with an M2 and a drone control station. The og Wiesel has a fuckin 20mm https://m.imgur.com/jtbw3Qj
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aphid_licker posted:The og Wiesel has a fuckin 20mm I know. I was thinking of freeing up space for a 3rd guy with a drone console.
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Counterpoint: I want to see if they can fit a 30mm 
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aphid_licker posted:Counterpoint: I want to see if they can fit a 30mm Just mount a CIWS on top of it.
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CommieGIR posted:Just mount a CIWS on top of it. It wouldn't make it past the second 'r' in 'brrrt'
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CommieGIR posted:Just mount a CIWS on top of it. Pfft... 20mm, 30mm? How about 105mm? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Ontos Yeah you only get six shots before you have to get out and reload, worked fine for John Wayne though. Just don't miss! edit: "In 1960 there was a brief study made to replace the Ontos's 106 mm rifles with a new 105 mm design that included a revolver-style autoloader. This project was not accepted." You know what must be done. Effective-Disorder fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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Murgos posted:So, the SDO and others are all saying that Russia hasn’t moved any of their 12 BTGs out of Mariupol and that they are continually attacking and bombarding.
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aphid_licker posted:There's still been zero wreckage pics of that alleged transport plane shootdown and I really dunno how to square that with them basically confirming it in an official statement like this. Where the gently caress did that plane go down? They were meant to have gone down near Vasylkiv and Bila Tserkva*, in the southern surrounds of Kyiv. * Vasylkiv air base was basically a logical next step of their operation after Hostomel, but Bila Tserkva is like 100km south of Kyiv, which is a pretty weird place for them to be. I guess it's plausible they got lost or went off course trying to evade though.
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A.o.D. posted:It wouldn't make it past the second 'r' in 'brrrt' 
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Operation Z: The Death Throes of an Imperial Delusion by Jack Watling and Nick Reynolds Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies https://static.rusi.org/special-report-202204-operation-z-web.pdf And of course they used that picture for the cover, because how could you not.
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I think that's possibly one of the best war photos ever taken, both compositionally and symbolically.
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I thought it was edited when I first saw it - photoshopped to look like a skull.
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Kesper North posted:Operation Z: The Death Throes of an Imperial Delusion some really juicy ledes buried in there: quote:But here the Russian military industries face a problem, for Russia’s latest weapons are heavily dependent upon critical specialist components manufactured abroad.  psydude posted:I think that's possibly one of the best war photos ever taken, both compositionally and symbolically. it will likely go down as one of the definitive images of the conflict, although the burning Moskva is another contender for the symbolism
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SlowBloke posted:It's a anti-air turret on top of a Leopard1 chassis, so it's technically half a tank. It’s actually two M202 flashes facing opposite directions So Rae Dawn Chong can fire them in both directions
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Kesper North posted:Operation Z: The Death Throes of an Imperial Delusion Lmao that bit about how the VDV commanders wouldnt shutup about their upcoming raid, on open comms.  just lying on their beds twirling the phone cords round their fingers like teenagers in a 90s sitcom
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brains posted:some really juicy ledes buried in there:  , which I'd say describes the war perfectly
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Kesper North posted:Operation Z: The Death Throes of an Imperial Delusion Jesus gently caress! quote:The VDV assault units received the plan three days before the invasion and started excitedly talking in anticipation of their daring operation. VDV commanders started discussing their primary objective at Hostomel in clear. When they landed, therefore, they were met with Ukrainian artillery and a coordinated counterattack, quickly being driven from the airport.
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Cimber posted:Jesus gently caress! Well, they ain’t gonna jump no more 
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Icon Of Sin posted:Well, they ain’t gonna jump no more what a hell of a way to die
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Is anybody taking a tally with quick descriptions of Russia's fuckups? It'd be great reading material Edit: wait, it seems that document is that
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Icon Of Sin posted:Well, they ain’t gonna jump no more xXxPU43PWN@53xXx
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Okay something I'm curious about regarding stuff like artillery. What's the difference between fully trained and being trained enough to make general use of the platform and maintain it?
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quote:The 9M727 cruise missile – fired from the Iskander-K – is an example of one of Russia’s most advanced weapons systems, able to manoeuvre at low altitude to a target and strike with considerable precision. In order to achieve this the missile must carry a computer able to ingest data from various inertial and active sensors and command links and translate these into instructions to manipulate the missile’s control surfaces. The authors physically inspected one of these computers recovered from a crashed 9M727 during fieldwork in April. This computer is roughly the size of an A4 sheet of paper and sits inside a heat shield able to withstand the pressure as the missile accelerates and the heat that engulfs the system. The computer must be remarkably robust, its components able to continue to function even as the structure around it is warped by temperature changes. This requires highly specialised materials and components. Of the seven socket attachment points allowing data to be moved through the heat shield, one is of Soviet-era design and manufactured in Russia. The remaining six are all products of US companies. The rails connecting the circuit boards to the computer housing, which must maintain the alignment of the components under immense forces, are similarly of US manufacture. The circuit boards themselves are sourced from the US. Jesus gently caress!
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ChaseSP posted:Okay something I'm curious about regarding stuff like artillery. What's the difference between fully trained and being trained enough to make general use of the platform and maintain it? Lots of things. How fast do you need the artillery pieces to move? Set up/tear down requires training. How quickly do you need to battery to fire? Trained crews fire/load quicker than untrained crews. How accurate do you want the fire to be? Trained crews are more accurate and make less mistakes than untrained. In a vacuum, it might not matter. Fire one round, tear down, move, set up, aim, load, fire. If there is no urgency, bare bones training is all you need. Now if you want that unit to actually be effective, you train them. Trained troops are always better than untrained.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I thought it was edited when I first saw it - photoshopped to look like a skull. It's real? Holy COW, I thought it was a fake.
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ASAPI posted:Lots of things. Trained troops are always worth many times their number in untrained troops, especially when it comes to time sensitive, high skill jobs. Vvvv well put A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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ChaseSP posted:Okay something I'm curious about regarding stuff like artillery. What's the difference between fully trained and being trained enough to make general use of the platform and maintain it? You ever hang sheet rock? You ever watch a sheet rocker hang sheet rock?
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ChaseSP posted:Okay something I'm curious about regarding stuff like artillery. What's the difference between fully trained and being trained enough to make general use of the platform and maintain it? No military experience here, however, I can imagine trained is going to be a contributing factor in effective artillery. Imagining the difference between firing 50' past your lines and 50' short of your lines is all it takes. Tired, untrained dudes doing algebra in the field with cannons seems like a bad time. Or I guess trigonometry in the field. A great logistics and equipping Ukraine overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2ptG1IxZ08 This video by Perun goes into extensive detail about why Ukraine has been mostly requesting shoulder launched weapons that are easy to train with first, and he talks about why arming them with artillery will be easier than fighter jets. About midway through the video I want to say, he touches on artillery and has a tidbit about post-shoot of the video that the US started sending small numbers of NATO standard 155mm howitzers and ammo in the days since. He also cautiously advocates that cross training Ukraine on NATO artillery will be more doable and should see some reduced training pipelines when already qualified crews are being switched from Soviet equivalents
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Poorly-trained gun crews can end up damaging the guns, themselves, or others. (Also well-trained crews but less so.) It's also pretty important to know exactly what you're doing and to be good at it when the bad guys start shooting back at you. Training for forward observers and FDC (fire direction center) is also a really big deal, if they're not 100% competent at their jobs then it's not going to end well. edit: Funny anecdote, about 10 years ago as an E-5 I once made a smart-rear end remark about artillery while I was within earshot of a command sergeant major of a field artillery battalion. So he took me down the gunline where they were shooting illum rounds from an M777 and he taught me how to do everything they were doing before telling me to aim, load and fire a few shells on my own. The hydraulics were busted so between each shot I had to manually crank the elevation all the way down and then manually crank it all the way up again. After a few shells I was just completely smoked and I ended up lying down on a bench for about 30 minutes to stop myself from throwing up. I gained a new appreciation for 13Bs that night and was more careful with my smart-assery afterward. bees everywhere fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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Ending up with a bit of tinnitus just from comm closet noise, being around jets, and occasionally explosions. I imagine it's probably a lot worse for artillery peeps.
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bees everywhere posted:Poorly-trained gun crews can end up damaging the guns, themselves, or others. (Also well-trained crews but less so.) It's also pretty important to know exactly what you're doing and to be good at it when the bad guys start shooting back at you. I watched a video of a gun team running an M777 in Afghanistan full tilt and it looked like the most exhausting poo poo ever.
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