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This rework is happening because Overwatch as it stands is a poo poo game nobody really wants. Removing the tank role and gameplay as it exists wouldn't turn Overwatch into Valorant, it would make it one step closer to being TF3, which is what got people hyped for it in the first place.
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It's funny you say that cuz watching this it looks like it's been turned into something kind of valoranty, except with only abilities and super low cooldowns and no economy. The balance in general seems really all over the place, though tbf I have zero clue how you balance this either
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Apr 27, 2022 22:34
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It's funny you say that cuz watching this it looks like it's been turned into something kind of valoranty, except with only abilities and super low cooldowns and no economy. The balance in general seems really all over the place, though tbf I have zero clue how you balance this either I don't think it's Valorant at all still. Valorant is very much closer to CS than OW. It's CS with abilities. OW2 is still very far from being like CS. Hard to say exactly how OW2 will play as I don't think we're seeing what meta play will look like yet, but I don't think it's going to feel like Valorant.
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Apr 27, 2022 23:07
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Weird question but does anyone know what's up with people who don't own OW1 and getting to play the beta? A friend of mine got invited via twitch and it's letting him install OW1 as it says on the blog, but there's no option to play OW2 instead like there is for me (a person who owns OW1). I feel like I'm missing something obvious here.
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Apr 27, 2022 23:13
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I still haven't gotten in but what I've seen looks like balance is a mess with some tanks being a little bit bullshit. Valorant is just CSGO with gimmicky hero abilities on long cooldowns, it's a relatively much slower paced game built around playing angles and everyone uses the same extremely lethal guns. Overwatch will never play like a tactical shooter that way, nor should it. Hard CC being toned down and shields being at least partially removed is a huge step in the right direction tho, while Overwatch will never be and doesn't need to be a direct analog to TF2 it very much did need to be redesigned away from the shielded clusters dancing around until one side pressed Q hard enough paradigm that it's been stuck in for years.
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Apr 27, 2022 23:14
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The invites might just be getting sent out in waves and it hasn't arrived for them yet
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Apr 27, 2022 23:14
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Splinter posted:I don't think it's Valorant at all still. Valorant is very much closer to CS than OW. It's CS with abilities. OW2 is still very far from being like CS. you'll notice i put a whole pile of massive caveats on that statement. Call it what you will, they're clearly going for a punchier, much lower ttk, more conventional fps by removing barriers as much as possible and the meta of that is going to shake out into people playing positions in more conventional ways vs how the game played in barrierwatch. Which is very much how valorant plays: you have abilities that get you around some of the stalemates of tactical shooters. OW now has something similar, but the cooldowns are a lot lower/are infinite. idk how much it will look like valorant specifically, but idk what other game currently is filling that space of lower ttk FPS with powerful, low-cooldown abilities like I don't disagree that 80% of valorants dna is csgo, but this is pretty unambiguously a step in that direction and blizzard has communicated as much in response to fans and pros asking for these changes for years now for shits and giggles, turn down cooldowns in valorant to 3-8 seconds, give them unlimited uses, give weapons unlimited ammo and give it OW style spawns and I bet it plays fairly similarly.
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Apr 27, 2022 23:25
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Countblanc posted:Weird question but does anyone know what's up with people who don't own OW1 and getting to play the beta? A friend of mine got invited via twitch and it's letting him install OW1 as it says on the blog, but there's no option to play OW2 instead like there is for me (a person who owns OW1). I feel like I'm missing something obvious here. https://twitter.com/andybelford/status/1519433939592441856 Took a while for the option to pop up in the client for me.
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Apr 27, 2022 23:27
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Yeah I assumed it was a backend issue like that, it's just been hard to confirm because obviously most people interested in trying the beta played OW1 so I haven't seen any new players confirm it worked for them. E: yep it just popped up as I posted that. Nice. Countblanc fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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Apr 27, 2022 23:32
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So I got beta access via Twitch drop, claimed it (Accounts are linked, I just claimed Hearthstone and OW rewards earlier), restarted the launcher, checked for updates, yada yada yada, but the Beta does not appear in the "Game Version" dropdown. I assume the system is getting swamped, or am I missing anything? I'm on EU servers if it matters.
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Apr 27, 2022 23:50
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mcbexx posted:So I got beta access via Twitch drop, claimed it (Accounts are linked, I just claimed Hearthstone and OW rewards earlier), restarted the launcher, checked for updates, yada yada yada, but the Beta does not appear in the "Game Version" dropdown. It takes a while. Also check that your launcher is up to date.
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Apr 27, 2022 23:56
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about 30 minutes between claiming the drop and it showing up for me on AU/NZ servers if that helps anyone
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Apr 28, 2022 00:04
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two hours and still nothing it is a sign
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Apr 28, 2022 00:55
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Wheeee posted:two hours and still nothing Did you go into https://www.twitch.tv/drops/inventory and actually claim the drop once the 4 hours were over?
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Apr 28, 2022 01:02
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Hey OW2 has full 21:9 support... hopefully they don't rip it out.
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Arzachel posted:Did you go into https://www.twitch.tv/drops/inventory and actually claim the drop once the 4 hours were over?  seems my issue is not unique, others on reddit are reporting similar delays, tho many of them get it in an hour or so e: once again complaining on the internet pays off 
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Apr 28, 2022 01:21
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I've literally never played a game on PC other than a Sierra point-and-click adventure ~25 years ago, but the FOMO was hitting me real hard and I did get a beta key from Twitch, so I downloaded the Blizzard launcher thing and played a couple of OW2 matches. I had hoped that I could hook up my PS4 controller, but that didn't work. I made the mistake of hitting F1 at some point in the first match and then could not figure out how to get rid of it for the entire match, so that was fun. The second match I just played Widow and (basically) didn't move. Using a keyboard for movement and abilities was loving me up like crazy, but using a mouse for aim felt pretty good immediately. Since I think the game assessed my skill level as "literally not sentient" from the first game, the second game also seemed to be full of new people, and I ended up with a 17-0 K/D ratio. They went Pharah at one point and I got a body shot on her coming out of spawn, then I tried to grapple closer to her to gun her down. Instead, I accidentally grapple hooked, scoped, and headshot her from like three inches away in one frantic misclick and got the smooth-as-silk achievement for my efforts. Fun stuff, but I'll wait for the beta to come to console. edit: apparently the F1 thing is a bug. surf rock fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Apr 28, 2022 02:38
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The fundamental issue with Overwatch’s design is no one wants to play or tank or support. You can barely get them to play those roles in an MMO, let alone an fps!
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Apr 28, 2022 02:59
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porfiria posted:The fundamental issue with Overwatch’s design is no one wants to play or tank or support. You can barely get them to play those roles in an MMO, let alone an fps! I like playing those because my aim sucks. So while DPS is fun to play, I'm very bad at it and sometimes just want to help the team win.
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Apr 28, 2022 03:14
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I like playing tank and support I've enjoyed the couple of dps games I flexed into so far but I either am bullying people that can't hit a pharah or getting absolutely clowned on so obviously the match making is even less existent atm than OW1 QP. Haven't had a new map yet though
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Apr 28, 2022 03:16
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just played a game of push and the maps for it are great. Lots of verticality on the one I played (can't remember the name). I'm not sold on the new UI graphical style but the sound design for everything that has changed is top notch. I also just noticed they have an option (albeit not available rn) for unranked open queue which is awesome and something OW sorely needed
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Apr 28, 2022 03:28
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porfiria posted:The fundamental issue with Overwatch’s design is no one wants to play or tank or support. You can barely get them to play those roles in an MMO, let alone an fps! tank is the most played role right now
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Apr 28, 2022 03:38
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grieving for Gandalf posted:tank is the most played role right now yeah they made tanks fun. orisa is a blast. doomfist is a blast
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What does Doomfist do that makes him a tank? Tried him out in the training mode and he seems to be the same character but now he's labeled tank. He has a pretty small amount of HP
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Watched a few streams a doomfist seems a bit more mobile now. Not familiar with him at all in retail so i cant speak to changes (punch seemed yo be a much lower cd) but he looked like a blast.
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Macaluso posted:What does Doomfist do that makes him a tank? Tried him out in the training mode and he seems to be the same character but now he's labeled tank. He has a pretty small amount of HP from what i can tell, tanks are now divided in 2 roles, one being "clobber and kill everyone while being unkillable yourself" and the other is "become reinhardt"
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Apr 28, 2022 03:50
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Macaluso posted:What does Doomfist do that makes him a tank? Tried him out in the training mode and he seems to be the same character but now he's labeled tank. He has a pretty small amount of HP he explicitly has a block button that protects against 90% of damage and increases his punch's power afterward
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Macaluso posted:What does Doomfist do that makes him a tank? Tried him out in the training mode and he seems to be the same character but now he's labeled tank. He has a pretty small amount of HP before he was basically a glass cannon where he could use his crazy mobility & high damage to one-shot people with combos or just get destroyed instantly now he has higher health, does less damage, has a new defensive ability, and his mobility is changed a bit. pros are comparing his new playstyle to winston - he's now more about jumping in with his slam, disrupting people and soaking up damage (hopefully getting kills in coordination with the rest of the team), before escaping again with mobility.
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Apr 28, 2022 03:53
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Macaluso posted:What does Doomfist do that makes him a tank? Tried him out in the training mode and he seems to be the same character but now he's labeled tank. He has a pretty small amount of HP you gotta press all the buttons dude he's got one entirely new tanking ability
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Apr 28, 2022 03:54
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Beta is good. Playing support is painful
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Apr 28, 2022 04:05
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Time Crisis Actor posted:Beta is good. Playing support is painful here's hoping overwatch 3 is the same as overwatch 2 but with 1 less support
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Apr 28, 2022 04:13
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Minorkos posted:here's hoping overwatch 3 is the same as overwatch 2 but with 1 less support in Overwatch 6 in 2046 all characters will be DPS and the only game mode will be 1v1 duels it will be game of the year there will only be 5 new characters compared to right now
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Macaluso posted:What does Doomfist do that makes him a tank? Tried him out in the training mode and he seems to be the same character but now he's labeled tank. He has a pretty small amount of HP His new block, but he's more focussed on making space with his insane mobility rather than being a shield sponge.
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Played for about 90 minutes. Tanks are too strong, ruins the game almost entirely Here's hoping they do better for OW 3
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Apr 28, 2022 04:47
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BabyRyoga posted:Played for about 90 minutes. Tanks are too strong, ruins the game almost entirely Really? I felt like I was still getting melted frequently enough. Just requires more co-ordination now that you have two supports more focused on the one tank in fights. Definitely slower paced than recent seasons though. That's going to rub a lot of people the wrong way. Sakara123 fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Apr 28, 2022 04:53
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:just played a game of push and the maps for it are great. Lots of verticality on the one I played (can't remember the name). I'm not sold on the new UI graphical style but the sound design for everything that has changed is top notch. I also just noticed they have an option (albeit not available rn) for unranked open queue which is awesome and something OW sorely needed The new maps are all so much better. I commented a bit before but some old OW friends were watching me play and they all commented just how much stronger the new maps are - so much more open, even the non-Push ones. Meanwhile they mostly though the game looked like Old OW when playing on the OW1 maps, which I don't fully agree with since I think it still feels pretty different in 5v5 but it definitely feels worse. If they put their resources into new maps instead of new heroes I think it'd be huge, though I guess the majority of people are more interested in characters and they're certainly easier to advertise to drum up interest.
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BabyRyoga posted:Played for about 90 minutes. Tanks are too strong, ruins the game almost entirely It’s mostly an Orisa problem
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Played a few games and all it did was remind me why I only play mystery heroes and ffa
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where do i five stack with you nerds so i can stop getting queue times?Wheeee posted:It’s mostly an Orisa problem pick zarya
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Furious Lucio has stolen sonics famous line 'gotta go quick!!'
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