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Tighclops posted:Can anyone recommend any good leftist space opera I am tired of feeling like I'm getting dragged around by the cock all the time by popular media You can try Legend of the Galactic Heroes. It's a 110 episode space opera anime from the 90s. It's primarily focused on the conflict between a corrupt democracy and an efficient autocracy. It is extremely well written and is worth watching. The main premise is that human civilization is divided between the "democratic" Free Planets Alliance which has an uncomfortable number of similarities to the current USA, and the Galactic Empire which is based mainly on the Late German Empire. The story mostly follows a commander in the FPA navy, Yang Wenli, and an admiral in the Empire named Reinhardt something or other. The story goes into great detail with its two factions. The FPA is a highly corrupt and failing democracy slowly crumbling from using all its resources on a war it cannot win and is rapidly becoming more and more fascist. Meanwhile the Empire is a huge dumpster fire of feuding aristocrats, nepotism, out of touch commanders, bickering old men and an emperor who doesn't seem to give a poo poo about any of it. Both Yang and Reinhardt are extraordinarily talented and their actions as well as the actions of those around them influence the fate of the galaxy. The main focus is mostly on modes of government, the role of military and of the nation, the responsibilities of citizens and soldiers, and the horrors of war. It doesnt usually bring up economics, and it never really examines things like capitalism vs socialism or other things like that. It's still worth watching. Alternatively you could try Planetes which is a more grounded in reality sci fi about a crew of people who clean up garbage in space. In many episodes economics, exploitation, and other ethical concerns about space come up a bunch. It's also a pretty decently written amine but has a couple episodes that are weaker than the rest. The Skeleton King has issued a correction as of 00:15 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Tighclops posted:Can anyone recommend any good leftist space opera I am tired of feeling like I'm getting dragged around by the cock all the time by popular media Do you know who loved opera and rockets? That's right, Hitler!
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Tighclops posted:Can anyone recommend any good leftist space opera I am tired of feeling like I'm getting dragged around by the cock all the time by popular media A book or a show? The red mars series is pretty good although KSR has a boomer brain which shows at times.
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A show or movie preferably no anime please lol I've tried legend of the galactic heroes and bounced off hard quickly
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culture book
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The Dispossessed by Le Guin.
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Tighclops posted:Can anyone recommend any good leftist space opera I am tired of feeling like I'm getting dragged around by the cock all the time by popular media genuinely don't know if there is good leftist space opera. MacLeod's Fall Revolution series might get pretty space operaish? Only ever read the first book but apparently by the third they're flying around Jupiter shooting AI uploads or whatever.
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Smythe posted:culture book
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Tighclops posted:Can anyone recommend any good leftist space opera I am tired of feeling like I'm getting dragged around by the cock all the time by popular media Planetes it's about a crew of orbital garbage haulers but the overarching plot is about dependency theory like the episode about the venezuelan engineer who builds a superior spacesuit in order to help lift his country out of poverty, but the factory is destroyed by the united states and all the workers end up as refugees
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which do you see happening first: establishment of some level of orbital or lunar manufacturing and fuel extraction programs or supply chain fuckups and and bickering between and within nations puts a halt to ambitious space programs you need the first one to happen first for any hope of any kind of human presence in space beyond the occasional billionaire joyride and lol it is not happening at all
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My personal beliefs are that while material conditions affecting individual humans are an essential source of injustice in the history of society and need to be prioritized, societies need a kind of collective self-actualization in the form of achievements unprecedented in history. Research and exploration count.
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Im gonna fly into ur Uranus 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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Sarrisan posted:there are no good guys in the expanse. Amos
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AnimeIsTrash posted:A book or a show? The red mars series is pretty good although KSR has a boomer brain which shows at times. the Mars series definitely isn’t space opera. the only KSR that comes close is Aurora which is fuckin awesome Smythe posted:culture book yah. if you’re specifically looking for space opera I’d recommend Surface Detail and Excession (idk if I’d call them leftist [which I take to mean at minimum expressly anticapitalist and antiimperialist] but they’re certainly critical of capitalism and liberalism). all the Culture books are good though, my favorite is Hydrogen Sonata. e: Consider Phlebas could probably wiggle its way into the “space opera” category but I think of it more as a spy thriller and The Culture as a utopian socialist anarchy hadn’t been fully conceived yet indigi has issued a correction as of 16:11 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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indigi posted:Amos The main crew doesn't seem too terrible from what I remmeber from up through season 3. It's a shame his actor was a butthole because I loved Alex and Amos a lot
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Banks himself was a big old lefty.
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Culture books own but anything that focuses too much on Contact SC just reveals them as CIA but gayer and idk how I feel about that kind of skullduggery
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well I think he uses SC (and the ITG/Quietus) to criticize the MO of western intelligence/military intelligence, albeit it in a clumsy way. they often gently caress stuff up or make things worse and have to get bailed out in the end. Excession has a rogue SC faction nearly annihilating the galaxy. I say it’s clumsy because Special Circumstances actually wants to make things better for people instead of enriching themselves or securing personal power , although they only pull it off without a hitch in Player of Games. even then the book raises the point “isn’t it hosed up that these all powerful hyperintelligences manipulated the only human who could compete with them at gaming into doing something against his will”
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One of the books has a prologue with an agent using godlike futuretech drones to slice up like an entire iron age tech army with razor wire at hypersonic speeds and the whole scene is treated like "heh, nothing personel kid" lmao
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Against a Dark Background is overall a raunchy and hilarious but scathing pastiche of capitalism's power and control issues and several human conditions observed in-hand with it. Also the lazy gun is one of the best weapons in recorded fiction history
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Colonel Cancer posted:One of the books has a prologue with an agent using godlike futuretech drones to slice up like an entire iron age tech army with razor wire at hypersonic speeds and the whole scene is treated like "heh, nothing personel kid" lmao i think she only ordered their weapons cut up, and the drone only afterwards mentioned that a few people had been indirectly killed by the falling spear tips or whatever, and she was like wtf dude could you not have avoided that (which presumably it could have)
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Waffle House posted:Against a Dark Background is overall a raunchy and hilarious but scathing pastiche of capitalism's power and control issues and several human conditions observed in-hand with it. it's also bleak as hell, i remember recommending that to my now-wife when we were dating and her comment was something to the effect of "no wonder you're depressed" lol
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Dustcat posted:it's also bleak as hell, i remember recommending that to my now-wife when we were dating and her comment was something to the effect of "no wonder you're depressed" lol waffenhaus posted:and several human conditions ADB is one of my favorite novels by my favorite author. Banks' cheeky, well-thesaurus'd writing style got me since I was waaay young. I could also make a case for several of Alastair Reynolds' books, but the Conjoiners are a pretty wild slant on Collectivism so idk if they would truly qualify for most people's contemporary definitions of "Leftism" Waffle House has issued a correction as of 22:43 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Colonel Cancer posted:One of the books has a prologue with an agent using godlike futuretech drones to slice up like an entire iron age tech army with razor wire at hypersonic speeds and the whole scene is treated like "heh, nothing personel kid" lmao no it doesn’t
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Colonel Cancer posted:Culture books own
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SC drones lusting for blood does come up in several books iirc, and their handlers/handlees reacting to this fact, which always seems to be to gland Calm and carry on
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I think it’s the sub-1.0 intelligence/semisentient drones like knife missiles that actually want to kill humans, and OUs just want to fight other battleships. the only AI or mind that wants to cause pain or death to biologicals is Grey Area who is shunned by the rest of the Culture
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Planetary Science & Astrobiology Decadal Survey was released last week: https://nap.nationalacademies.org/catalog/26522/origins-worlds-and-life-a-decadal-strategy-for-planetary-science
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summarize it for me I can't click on links
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indigi posted:well I think he uses SC (and the ITG/Quietus) to criticize the MO of western intelligence/military intelligence, albeit it in a clumsy way. they often gently caress stuff up or make things worse and have to get bailed out in the end. Excession has a rogue SC faction nearly annihilating the galaxy. I say it’s clumsy because Special Circumstances actually wants to make things better for people instead of enriching themselves or securing personal power , although they only pull it off without a hitch in Player of Games. even then the book raises the point “isn’t it hosed up that these all powerful hyperintelligences manipulated the only human who could compete with them at gaming into doing something against his will” I kinda like that way of doing it, it's saying even if spooks were moral paragons they would still be bad. Don't forget many people think the CIA is the good guys.
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it takes a team of 10,000 people (and russia) to keep 13 people alive and smelling their own farts in low earth orbit
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the culture books are basically about how interventionism is morally questionable even when you're a communist utopia with near-perfect information. i like how they don't really land on an objective answer, and also when the ships do incredibly sick combat manoeuvres over several pages but then you find out it all only took like half a second 
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indigi posted:summarize it for me I can't click on links theyre gunna probe uranus
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Beltalowda!!
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idk if The Culture is communist cause there are very distinct classes and class interests even among the Minds
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exmarx posted:the culture books are basically about how interventionism is morally questionable even when you're a communist utopia with near-perfect information. i like how they don't really land on an objective answer, and also when the ships do incredibly sick combat manoeuvres over several pages but then you find out it all only took like half a second ok this convinced me to finally check out these books. this was probably answered upthread but do i just start at the beginning?
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the milk machine posted:ok this convinced me to finally check out these books. this was probably answered upthread but do i just start at the beginning? With Banks' stuff IMO start wherever, then just know Consider Phlebas and AGADB are awesome, with the rest the same.
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the milk machine posted:ok this convinced me to finally check out these books. this was probably answered upthread but do i just start at the beginning? nerds love arguing about this but imo just read them in publication order, starting with consider phlebas. compared to the others it's a little more space opera + portrays an outsider's view of the culture, so some people recommend starting with the second one. fair warning that the author loves a downer ending lol
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the milk machine posted:ok this convinced me to finally check out these books. this was probably answered upthread but do i just start at the beginning? Surface Detail imo
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ty fellow posters
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