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Kchama: Jul 25, 2007

PC LOAD LETTER posted:

I'm generally pretty pessimistic of Russian military training and such, especially for their navy (which has been said to be one of their worst branches), but reputedly their subs guys are actually fairly good.

Of course if something important breaks on one then I'd also expect it to be down for a very long time waiting on parts and the money to do said repairs. Especially with sanctions limiting their access to necessary tech.

True but less nuclear missiles to potentially worry about is always ~~better~~ less bad.

Russia reputedly had the second best army in the world period and you'd be very hard pressed to find anyone disagreeing with that statement right up until they attacked Ukraine and it was discovered that this was not so much the case.

EDIT: Hell, to build on it, the Kadyrovites were feared fighters until this exposed them as a Tiktok Army.

Kchama fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Apr 29, 2022

# ? Apr 29, 2022 17:45

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# ? May 25, 2024 02:17

NO FUCK YOU DAD: Oct 23, 2008

Not sure the Kadyrovites were ever feared as fighters. They're a torture happy goon squad brought in to do atrocities on civilians. Professional soldiers would eat them for breakfast and they know it, that's why all they've done all war is post videos on Instagram.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:01

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

https://twitter.com/toddntucker/status/1520075088602845184

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:02

Kchama: Jul 25, 2007

NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:

Not sure the Kadyrovites were ever feared as fighters. They're a torture happy goon squad brought in to do atrocities on civilians. Professional soldiers would eat them for breakfast and they know it, that's why all they've done all war is post videos on Instagram.

For some reason a lot of Western sources thought highly of them.

OddObserver posted:

https://twitter.com/toddntucker/status/1520075088602845184

That's some very good news.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:04

Sir John Falstaff: Apr 13, 2010

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1519994641319354368

More in the long-running MiG-29 drama.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:05

MassiveSky: Apr 5, 2022; by Hand Knit

Everyone apparently wants to donate modern-ish artillery pieces with guided munitions, but old-rear end soviet fighters are serious business.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:06

Donkringel: Apr 22, 2008

Are the military vehicles in the May 9th parade useful for combat (up to date, recent generation, armaments functional)? I'm thinking after the parade Russia will be sending all of them to Ukraine. They probably don't want to hold them back for 2023's parade.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:09

TheDeadlyShoe: Feb 14, 2014

the popes toes posted:

due to demise of innocent rockets
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1520042517382766592?cxt=HHwWgIC5wbano5gqAAAA

drat wtf

that's a huge boom

I'm wondering if that's an MLRS hit, or a truly enormous ammo explosion from something smaller like a TB-2 or Excalibur shell.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:16

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Donkringel posted:

Are the military vehicles in the May 9th parade useful for combat (up to date, recent generation, armaments functional)? I'm thinking after the parade Russia will be sending all of them to Ukraine. They probably don't want to hold them back for 2023's parade.

Some, maybe, but the past few years its been brand new units that haven't been used in combat yet or even issued to regular units yet. To the point that some of them even break down during the parade.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:18

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

drat wtf

that's a huge boom

I'm wondering if that's an MLRS hit, or a truly enormous ammo explosion from something smaller like a TB-2 or Excalibur shell.

Three BM-27s with truckloads of reloads is a lot of ammo to explode.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:18

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

CommieGIR posted:

Some, maybe, but the past few years its been brand new units that haven't been used in combat yet or even issued to regular units yet. To the point that some of them even break down during the parade.

And there's just no point in sending to front something that you have only a handful of, because they need their own logistics. And you don't want to let Ukraine capture your T-14 Armatas and send them to USA for investigation.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:22

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Lol Russia has actually successfully made the EU great again.

I mean I really see this as a desire for Europe to not go to war again. It's just crazy and I can't put it into words but the desire to be peaceful and interconnected is just so powerful especially now.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:26

VideoGameVet: May 14, 2005; It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Budzilla posted:

But what about supermaneuverability? How will it stand up to a Su-27 that can do the cobra?

The trick is not to get close. The F16 probably has superior air2air missiles.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:28

Ulf: Jul 15, 2001; FOUR COLORS
ONE LOVE; Nap Ghost

Ynglaur posted:

Why are two more Russian jets being shot down significant? (Airframes are not my specialty.)

It's already been answered, but I like American-style relational explainers: pair of Su-34s costs as much as eighty T-72s, and we'd call loss of 80 tanks a significant event (if true).

If lined up end-to-end, that many tanks would span over eight football fields. :911:

But that still undersells it; Russia has tens of thousands of T-72s in warehouses but can't replace a lost Su-34.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:35

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Russia is probably also using export models in Ukraine at this point.

Not only are they losing tanks but they are losing future income from their MIC

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:41

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

ummel posted:

Very Drone munition dropped directly into the sunroof of an armored Russian vehicle. Very zoomed in aftermath from the drone, so cut the video short if you want to avoid that.

"Ukrainian military 92 separate mechanized brigade, named after chieftain Ivan Syrko, threw a projectile from a drone right into the hatch of a car with Russian soldiers."
code:
https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1520030398650195968
What a shot though, my god. Drones are ridiculous.

That was an absolutely ridiculous shot. The truck was starting to move too :stonk:

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:45

Just Another Lurker: May 1, 2009

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

drat wtf

that's a huge boom

I'm wondering if that's an MLRS hit, or a truly enormous ammo explosion from something smaller like a TB-2 or Excalibur shell.

A significant emotional event. :hai:

Used to be you'd have to erase a lot of countryside to get that effect... now it's a single shell.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:45

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

MassiveSky posted:

Everyone apparently wants to donate modern-ish artillery pieces with guided munitions, but old-rear end soviet fighters are serious business.

I think the problem everyone cannot decide on how to solve is

1) Let Ukrainian pilots fly combat planes from their airports, even once, and risk Russian retaliation

2) Let your pilots fly combat planes into Ukraine, and risk dead citizens

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:47

Deteriorata: Feb 6, 2005

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I think the problem everyone cannot decide on how to solve is

1) Let Ukrainian pilots fly combat planes from their airports, even once, and risk Russian retaliation

2) Let your pilots fly combat planes into Ukraine, and risk dead citizens

Airplanes can generally be shipped on rail cars or truck beds. They don't have to be flown into theater.

I.e. the wings are detachable.

ETA:

Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Apr 29, 2022

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:50

Telsa Cola: Aug 19, 2011; No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I think the problem everyone cannot decide on how to solve is

1) Let Ukrainian pilots fly combat planes from their airports, even once, and risk Russian retaliation

2) Let your pilots fly combat planes into Ukraine, and risk dead citizens

You forgot 3. How much of our own airforce can we carve out and give away without severely compromising it's effectiveness during a period where there is a war on our borders, and how long will it take to replace them.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:53

aphid_licker: Jan 7, 2009

Deteriorata posted:

Airplanes can generally be shipped on rail cars or truck beds. They don't have to be flown into theater.

I.e. the wings are detachable.

Everything on an airplane is detachable at least once :haw:

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:55

Donkringel: Apr 22, 2008

Deteriorata posted:

Airplanes can generally be shipped on rail cars or truck beds. They don't have to be flown into theater.

I.e. the wings are detachable.

I could see a lot of concern for the train getting taken out and losing the whole plane shipment. Flying a plane in risks one plane, bringing them in on a train risks the whole shipment (plus easier to hit a train.)

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:55

Zero_Grade: Mar 18, 2004; Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

catfry posted:

Ukrainian products are being exported through rail lines to Romanian ports. The first shipment since the start of the war has been loaded on a ship in Constanta, Romania. Ever since the blockade of Ukrainian ports, companies have been working to find alternatives. According to this article though, the potential of existing raillines is only 10% of seagoing vessels, proving a serious bottleneck. the issue is among others that there is a change of rail gauge, resulting in time consuming reloading.

https://www.spglobal.com/commodityi...-ukrlandfarming

(use 12ft.io if paywall is up)

However if Romania is serious about these proposals mentioned below, among them rehabilitating the broad gauge rail between the Danube port city of Galati and the Moldovan border, and if trains can be allowed through Moldova AND transnistria, that would greatly help ease the blockade.

https://www-economica-net.translate...&_x_tr_pto=wapp
(free to read)

Ah, so the grain in Ukraine falls mostly on the train.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 18:59

Ulf: Jul 15, 2001; FOUR COLORS
ONE LOVE; Nap Ghost

I hadn't seen this before, the video is :nms:

but it's along the lines of the moonroof shot recently posted.

code:

https://twitter.com/Rinegati/status/1520052742215057408

Notable to me was the text: "Specialists equipped the drone with ~~suspensions~~ [my note: rigging], and then printed on a 3D printer "tails" for ammunition, turning the quadcopter into a mini-bayraktar."

I remember in the first weeks of the war we'd seen a squad of techs rigging up drones for unconventional uses but twice today we've seen video of this particular drone+grenade setup, is this something new being rolled out en masse?

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:01

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Deteriorata posted:

Airplanes can generally be shipped on rail cars or truck beds. They don't have to be flown into theater.

I.e. the wings are detachable.

ETA:

If the pilot sits in the cockpit during the drive can he give the truck some boost in uphills?

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:03

Orthanc6: Nov 4, 2009

Ulf posted:

I hadn't seen this before, the video is but it's along the lines of the moonroof shot recently posted.
code:
https://twitter.com/Rinegati/status/1520052742215057408
Notable to me was the text: "Specialists equipped the drone with ~~suspensions~~ [my note: rigging], and then printed on a 3D printer "tails" for ammunition, turning the quadcopter into a mini-bayraktar."

I remember in the first weeks of the war we'd seen a squad of techs rigging up drones for unconventional uses but twice today we've seen video of this particular drone+grenade setup, is this something new being rolled out en masse?

It's been used extensively in the Middle East by just about all actors. This century is going to see some crazy changes to armies for both using and countering small attack drones.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:05

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Ulf posted:

I hadn't seen this before, the video is but it's along the lines of the moonroof shot recently posted.
code:
https://twitter.com/Rinegati/status/1520052742215057408
Notable to me was the text: "Specialists equipped the drone with ~~suspensions~~ [my note: rigging], and then printed on a 3D printer "tails" for ammunition, turning the quadcopter into a mini-bayraktar."

I remember in the first weeks of the war we'd seen a squad of techs rigging up drones for unconventional uses but twice today we've seen video of this particular drone+grenade setup, is this something new being rolled out en masse?

Russians are probably low on pickled tomato jars or this wouldn't happen.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:07

Tiny Timbs: Sep 6, 2008

I saw a news segment last night that showed off a storage building for donated equipment. They had pallets full of octo drones.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:08

catfry: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth

Zero_Grade posted:

Ah, so the grain in Ukraine falls mostly on the train.

No show tunes in the war thread :sweep:

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:14

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Ulf posted:

I hadn't seen this before, the video is but it's along the lines of the moonroof shot recently posted.
code:
https://twitter.com/Rinegati/status/1520052742215057408
Notable to me was the text: "Specialists equipped the drone with ~~suspensions~~ [my note: rigging], and then printed on a 3D printer "tails" for ammunition, turning the quadcopter into a mini-bayraktar."

I remember in the first weeks of the war we'd seen a squad of techs rigging up drones for unconventional uses but twice today we've seen video of this particular drone+grenade setup, is this something new being rolled out en masse?

Aerorozvidka has been doing this for years. They custom rig up the cots drones with thermal/flir and the release mechanism. The commonly used model is an octocopter r18 which is a kit from aliexpress with a lot of lift capacity.

You can see some of their rigging here https://youtube.com/c/AEROROZVIDKA or on Facebook/telegram

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:14

Scaramouche: Mar 26, 2001; SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

Nenonen posted:

If the pilot sits in the cockpit during the drive can he give the truck some boost in uphills?

Might need an extra strap. Let's say two just to be safe

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:17

Trump: Jul 16, 2003; Cute

Nenonen posted:

If the pilot sits in the cockpit during the drive can he give the truck some boost in uphills?

I wish to god fighters had horns now.

*activate afterburner* HOONK HONK

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:22

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Ulf posted:

I hadn't seen this before, the video is but it's along the lines of the moonroof shot recently posted.
code:
https://twitter.com/Rinegati/status/1520052742215057408
Notable to me was the text: "Specialists equipped the drone with ~~suspensions~~ [my note: rigging], and then printed on a 3D printer "tails" for ammunition, turning the quadcopter into a mini-bayraktar."

I remember in the first weeks of the war we'd seen a squad of techs rigging up drones for unconventional uses but twice today we've seen video of this particular drone+grenade setup, is this something new being rolled out en masse?

its hosed up to say but this is how you win a war. just do this kinda poo poo constantly every day, mixed with other types of ambushes and counter attacks. the Russians moral must be awful right now.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:27

d64: Jan 15, 2003

Probably been asked before, but why does the payload (I presume) bob up on the video a few times before being released? Is it swinging on a tether?

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:46

Ulf: Jul 15, 2001; FOUR COLORS
ONE LOVE; Nap Ghost

Yeah, and that's what gets me. It's an explosive hanging from a clip that you'd buy at REI for $5, probably hooked to some servomotor that you'd buy at a makerspace shop for another $5.

EDIT: Not even REI, those would be rated for climbing, this is something from the dollar store that has "NOT TO EXCEED 5KG" stamped on it.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:49

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

Ynglaur posted:

Why are two more Russian jets being shot down significant? (Airframes are not my specialty.)

In addition to what's mentioned about those big Su-34s, it's also significant that they apparently were shot down by the S-300. It's a powerful (if dated), long range, radar guided missile which is a whole different thing to the short range heat seeking stuff we've seen earlier. One disadvantage is that they are much more conspicuous too, the Russians can shoot Kh-31 radiation homing missiles at it. So hopefully they have some good tactics against that and/or the Russians have run out of those missiles.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:49

jaete: Jun 21, 2009; Nap Ghost

Speaking of the air war, what do NATO countries usually use in place of S-300s? I mean things that can threaten any of the Russian fighter jets, so long range radar (hundreds of km), big missiles which have pretty good range (maybe 40-50 km) and can also climb up high (20ish km).

I know Patriot missiles are a thing, but apparently those are incredibly expensive, so much so that I'm guessing you could buy like 17 S-300 systems for the price of just one Patriot. Does NATO have anything more, krhm, affordable?

For example, the Finnish army uses these NASAMS things, but if I'm reading this correctly the radar on those is "only" 40 km, as opposed to 100+ km on the various S300 radars. Where's my range?

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:51

Slo-Tek: Jun 8, 2001; WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL

jaete posted:

Speaking of the air war, what do NATO countries usually use in place of S-300s? I mean things that can threaten any of the Russian fighter jets, so long range radar (hundreds of km), big missiles which have pretty good range (maybe 40-50 km) and can also climb up high (20ish km).

I know Patriot missiles are a thing, but apparently those are incredibly expensive, so much so that I'm guessing you could buy like 17 S-300 systems for the price of just one Patriot. Does NATO have anything more, krhm, affordable?

For example, the Finnish army uses these NASAMS things, but if I'm reading this correctly the radar on those is "only" 40 km, as opposed to 100+ km on the various S300 radars. Where's my range?

US likes to use airplanes to shoot down airplanes, and cruise missiles to gently caress up airplanes on the ground. IADS is an afterthought that people keep on thinking then changing their mind on, though you can reliably make a few odd hundred million trying to sell an anti-air system that can shoot down enemy rockets. If it can shoot down rockets, it can murder the poo poo out of aircraft.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:55

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I totally forget the context of where I found this besides something that I think was bravado posting by Syrian soldiers, but one of these dudes is clearly injecting motor oil.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 19:56

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# ? May 25, 2024 02:17

Ola: Jul 19, 2004

jaete posted:

Speaking of the air war, what do NATO countries usually use in place of S-300s? I mean things that can threaten any of the Russian fighter jets, so long range radar (hundreds of km), big missiles which have pretty good range (maybe 40-50 km) and can also climb up high (20ish km).

I know Patriot missiles are a thing, but apparently those are incredibly expensive, so much so that I'm guessing you could buy like 17 S-300 systems for the price of just one Patriot. Does NATO have anything more, krhm, affordable?

For example, the Finnish army uses these NASAMS things, but if I'm reading this correctly the radar on those is "only" 40 km, as opposed to 100+ km on the various S300 radars. Where's my range?

Here's an older one which was in service when the S-300 came out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-23_Hawk It has a similar range. The radar for each one doesn't have to reach out that far, because it's meant to be part of a network of search radars.

There's also the old Nike Hercules, which has massive range and speed. Meant to nuke a bomber formation really. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Hercules

In later years, very long range missiles don't really fit with the doctrine and the expected threat I guess.

# ? Apr 29, 2022 20:01

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