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Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.
When I think of Android Auto, I remember the time I wanted to play an album downloaded to my phone, but it wouldn't show up on Auto because it wouldn't let me scroll far enough (I think they changed this) and when I used audio commands, it told me it couldn't stream the album because I wasn't a paying customer, ignoring the mp3s on the device. I yelled at the device for like five minutes before just using my phone while driving, finding the voice commands more distracting than looking at the device for a couple of seconds.

My current car doesn't have Auto and plays mp3s off a drive just fine, so I'm happy. But they want like $150/year to give me map updates and traffic, so that's a down side. I use Auto on my mom's car and not using a Google media player on my phone anymore, so it's okay these days.

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GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

I'm honestly debating buying a replacement for my CD player in my car that comes with GPS without me needing to use my phone to basically output to the car's lcd

It's only $300

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
I got one like thils for like $50 on sale: https://www.banggood.com/IMars-7-In...CN&rmmds=search

You can use Google maps, Waze, or one of the offline systems like Here. Plays music over BT without any fuckery. At this point you'd probably want a newer one (and something with physical buttons) but even this one is pretty nice.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

I've got a 2013 Fiat 500 with roughly 60k on it, no major problems, oil changes regularly etc. etc. It's done one major trip, from Oregon to DC early in it's life, no issues on that trip. I'm going to drive from DC to Colorado in two months, and my dad is convinced that there's something major I need to do before I do so, he doesn't know what it is. The dealer I go to said nah, you should be fine, the internet has nothing, so I'm asking here: Is there some reason my car would be damaged as I drive it from roughly sea level (DC) to way up in the Rockies (roughly 6k feet) and/or is there something I should be sure to do before I make that trip?

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Relevant Tangent posted:

I've got a 2013 Fiat 500 with roughly 60k on it, no major problems, oil changes regularly etc. etc. It's done one major trip, from Oregon to DC early in it's life, no issues on that trip. I'm going to drive from DC to Colorado in two months, and my dad is convinced that there's something major I need to do before I do so, he doesn't know what it is. The dealer I go to said nah, you should be fine, the internet has nothing, so I'm asking here: Is there some reason my car would be damaged as I drive it from roughly sea level (DC) to way up in the Rockies (roughly 6k feet) and/or is there something I should be sure to do before I make that trip?

It's turbocharged, it won't even notice the elevation change. Your dad is being a dad and worrying about you.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Before a long trip it's a good idea to check all the fluids, tire pressures, maybe the air filter, etc. Basic stuff. But if you've kept up with regular maintenance your car isn't going to explode just because you're making a long trip.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Deteriorata posted:

It's turbocharged, it won't even notice the elevation change. Your dad is being a dad and worrying about you.

I wonder if Dad is thinking about carbureted engines and wants OP to rejet their carb. (Which, OP, you do not have a carbeuretor and do not need to change your jets for higher altitude.)

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
To be honest I'm not sure I would trust a Fiat.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Relevant Tangent posted:

Is there some reason my car would be damaged as I drive it from roughly sea level (DC) to way up in the Rockies (roughly 6k feet) and/or is there something I should be sure to do before I make that trip?

If your car was made in the last 30 years there's nothing about changing elevation that will hurt it. Out here in California you can drive from sea level to 9,000 ft in like 2 hours. It's not a problem.

On any long road trip, it's important to make sure that your tires are in good condition and your fluids are topped up. Given that you will be driving on big hills it would also be good to just take a look at the brakes and make sure the pads aren't on their last legs or something. There isn't really much else to worry about though with a modern car.

Your dad is just being a concerned dad and probably thinking about the first time he did a big road trip in the 70s with a car from that era. I have a 50-year-old motorcycle, and the maintenance schedule in the manual recommends some kinds of minor tuning and adjusting as frequently as every 500 miles. The bike has a built-in tool kit installed underneath the seat because it was expected that you would just have to do that work on the side of the road sometimes. So yeah, taking a trip from DC to Colorado in 1970 with a 1965 VW Beetle would be a much bigger concern than doing it today with a 2013 Fiat 500.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Kia Soul Enthusias posted:

To be honest I'm not sure I would trust a Fiat.

like, for sure. Don’t ever. But a turbocharged motor should handle altitude no sweat

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal

Ok Comboomer posted:

like, for sure. Don’t ever. But a turbocharged motor should handle altitude no sweat

Oh yeah. As pointed out that's not an issue. Electronic fuel injection has been able to adjust for decades now and the turbo keeps you better powered to boot 👍

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Thanks, I appreciate it. I will not defend Fiat, they were just the cheapest when I went looking, bought the floor model at the dealership for $13k "new" (six miles on it).

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






European cars are better than US cars dont @ me

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Relevant Tangent posted:

Thanks, I appreciate it. I will not defend Fiat, they were just the cheapest when I went looking, bought the floor model at the dealership for $13k "new" (six miles on it).

A 500 Abarth is outrageous fun (if you can get it for <$12k)

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






It's all part of Stellantis nowadays anyway

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

spankmeister posted:

European cars are better than US cars dont @ me

it’s true. that’s why the best Fords of the last 15 years were all created by their Belgians

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom
Toilet Rascal

Relevant Tangent posted:

Thanks, I appreciate it. I will not defend Fiat, they were just the cheapest when I went looking, bought the floor model at the dealership for $13k "new" (six miles on it).

Hard to argue with a price like that, nice. Wasn't trying to throw any shade, I love fun little cars, but if Consumer Reports and others are to be believed, their reliability trend is not great. 🤷🏻‍♂️ on the other hand if you've had it for 9 years and it works there isn't any big reason to think that'll change.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

I had to replace the driver's side door handle about six years in, a process that Youtube convinced me would take twenty minutes, an hour tops. Four hours and a lot of swearing later I emerged triumphant. Fix It Again Tony hasn't been my experience, thank god.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

If you aren't swearing in Italian, the car won't recognize it.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

That explains a lot, actually.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Relevant Tangent posted:

I've got a 2013 Fiat 500 with roughly 60k on it, no major problems, oil changes regularly etc. etc. It's done one major trip, from Oregon to DC early in it's life, no issues on that trip. I'm going to drive from DC to Colorado in two months, and my dad is convinced that there's something major I need to do before I do so, he doesn't know what it is. The dealer I go to said nah, you should be fine, the internet has nothing, so I'm asking here: Is there some reason my car would be damaged as I drive it from roughly sea level (DC) to way up in the Rockies (roughly 6k feet) and/or is there something I should be sure to do before I make that trip?

Gonna go against the grain and strongly recommend you change the timing belt beforehand. You're getting close to the mileage (75k - I'd feel fine pushing it to 100k if it wasn't as old as it is), and you're well beyond the age where it's recommended (5 years, your car is 9 or 10 years old going by the build date).

Beyond that there's likely nothing it needs. If the timing belt has been done at some point, just make the trip. The upside is highway miles are very easy on a car.

EDIT: ignore me, US market 500s apparently recommend it at 150k miles or 15 years, whichever comes first. UK market recommends 120k km (which is roughly 75k miles) or 5 years, whichever comes first. I guess because of different driving conditions. Won't hurt to double check your owner's manual though (it may be listed as cam belt in there).
e2: apparently the discrepancy is Abarath vs regular 500. :doh:

randomidiot fucked around with this message at 23:49 on May 1, 2022

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

yeah the abarths were well outside my price range when I purchased
first and last new car, it has been incredibly good to me so I have tried to be good back

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Ok Comboomer posted:

it’s true. that’s why the best Fords of the last 15 years were all created by their Belgians

You're my Belgian.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Megan Thee Belgian

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

You know how some head units have flip-up screens that come out horizontally, then flip up?

Has a similar out-then-up mechanism ever been used for headlights or fog lights? I'm looking for specific vehicle models, pics, etc of this or a similar concept.

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!

ryanrs posted:

You know how some head units have flip-up screens that come out horizontally, then flip up?

Has a similar out-then-up mechanism ever been used for headlights or fog lights? I'm looking for specific vehicle models, pics, etc of this or a similar concept.

Only thing I can think of that comes close to that is that Porsche from the 80s. One of the ones that isn't a 911.

PBCrunch
Jun 17, 2002

Lawrence Phillips Always #1 to Me

Relevant Tangent posted:

I've got a 2013 Fiat 500 with roughly 60k on it, no major problems, oil changes regularly etc. etc. It's done one major trip, from Oregon to DC early in it's life, no issues on that trip. I'm going to drive from DC to Colorado in two months, and my dad is convinced that there's something major I need to do before I do so, he doesn't know what it is. The dealer I go to said nah, you should be fine, the internet has nothing, so I'm asking here: Is there some reason my car would be damaged as I drive it from roughly sea level (DC) to way up in the Rockies (roughly 6k feet) and/or is there something I should be sure to do before I make that trip?
Here is an anecdote. My aunt and uncle live in Denver (mile high city) and drive to Omaha (~1000 ft above sea level) a couple times per year in a 2015ish Subaru Outback. The two cities are about 450 miles apart. If he doesn't stop a couple of times on the way from Omaha to Denver to manually equalize the pressure inside the fuel tank to ambient air pressure (remove the fuel filler cap for a second), the evaporative emissions system will have some kind of conniption fit and trigger a check engine light. When the CEL is on, the cruise control won't work. He brings a an OBD scan tool just in case he forgets to relieve the pressure in the fuel tank or if the CEL just comes on anyway. I only know about it because the first couple times it happened he asked me to clear the code. I don't believe it has ever happened during the ascent from Omaha, only on the descent from Denver.

So maybe bring an OBD tool if you have one. Or stop for gas even when you don't have to.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





That sounds like a problem with that specific car, because I've never had anything throw a similar shitfit driving from Phoenix to Flagstaff and back and that's a climb from ~1200' to ~6900'.

Mr. Wiggles
Dec 1, 2003

We are all drinking from the highball glass of ideology.
Same. I've driven a ton of different cars and bikes from San Francisco to Lake Tahoe with zero issues. That's 7000 feet in just a couple of hundred miles.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
I'm guessing that's a PZEV with some plugged up parts. Or spiders in the fuel vent maybe

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

PBCrunch posted:

Here is an anecdote. My aunt and uncle live in Denver (mile high city) and drive to Omaha (~1000 ft above sea level) a couple times per year in a 2015ish Subaru Outback. The two cities are about 450 miles apart. If he doesn't stop a couple of times on the way from Omaha to Denver to manually equalize the pressure inside the fuel tank to ambient air pressure (remove the fuel filler cap for a second), the evaporative emissions system will have some kind of conniption fit and trigger a check engine light. When the CEL is on, the cruise control won't work. He brings a an OBD scan tool just in case he forgets to relieve the pressure in the fuel tank or if the CEL just comes on anyway. I only know about it because the first couple times it happened he asked me to clear the code. I don't believe it has ever happened during the ascent from Omaha, only on the descent from Denver.

So maybe bring an OBD tool if you have one. Or stop for gas even when you don't have to.

Sounds like his charcoal canister is plugged - it's supposed to vent fumes from the tank to equalize the pressure. IOW, it's a malfunction, not a 'quirk.' It can and should be fixed.

Revvik
Jul 29, 2006
Fun Shoe
2002 BMW M3 e46

Engine code p0012
Rough idle, not hitting high power band (Vanos)

This is my friend’s car, we already pulled the VANOS solenoid pack, had it serviced and thoroughly cleaned the valve block. That didn’t work, he checked the intake and exhaust side cam position sensors. Still nothing, he takes it in to some mechanic with a specialist diagnostic tool for BMW VANOS systems (I didn’t ask), and today he sends me this:



Any takers on where to go from here?

StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

ryanrs posted:

You know how some head units have flip-up screens that come out horizontally, then flip up?

Has a similar out-then-up mechanism ever been used for headlights or fog lights? I'm looking for specific vehicle models, pics, etc of this or a similar concept.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd_kEs9-ywc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDtiO29v1Ac

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat

Revvik posted:

2002 BMW M3 e46

Engine code p0012
Rough idle, not hitting high power band (Vanos)

This is my friend’s car, we already pulled the VANOS solenoid pack, had it serviced and thoroughly cleaned the valve block. That didn’t work, he checked the intake and exhaust side cam position sensors. Still nothing, he takes it in to some mechanic with a specialist diagnostic tool for BMW VANOS systems (I didn’t ask), and today he sends me this:



Any takers on where to go from here?

Did y'all do the seals for VANOS while you were there or?

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

wesleywillis posted:

Only thing I can think of that comes close to that is that Porsche from the 80s. One of the ones that isn't a 911.

you're thinking of the 928

the lambo miura is similar, in stormdrain's thumbnail

still not quite out and up, though

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
944 has pop ups

also 944s got expensive finally

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Raluek posted:

you're thinking of the 928

the lambo miura is similar, in stormdrain's thumbnail

still not quite out and up, though

It's the closest but not exactly what OP had in mind. TBH I don't think such a thing exists.

PBCrunch
Jun 17, 2002

Lawrence Phillips Always #1 to Me

Deteriorata posted:

Sounds like his charcoal canister is plugged - it's supposed to vent fumes from the tank to equalize the pressure. IOW, it's a malfunction, not a 'quirk.' It can and should be fixed.

I dunno, the situation is 450 miles away, but to the best of my knowledge it has never thrown this code in any other situation. I imagine a clogged canister would have caused a CEL in other situations.

I chalked it up to Subaru being kind of small time by auto manufacturer standards and just not accounting for a specific situation when writing firmware.

PBCrunch fucked around with this message at 16:21 on May 3, 2022

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

PBCrunch posted:

I dunno, the situation is 450 miles away, but to the best of my knowledge it has never thrown this code in any other situation. I imagine a clogged canister would have caused a CEL in other situations.

I chalked it up to Subaru being kind of small time by auto manufacturer standards and just not accounting for a specific situation when writing firmware.

It's plausible that it could be partially plugged but still within the tolerances of the system and the addition of a rapid change in atmospheric pressure pushed whatever input triggers that code over the edge.

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22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



PBCrunch posted:

I dunno, the situation is 450 miles away, but to the best of my knowledge it has never thrown this code in any other situation. I imagine a clogged canister would have caused a CEL in other situations.

I chalked it up to Subaru being kind of small time by auto manufacturer standards and just not accounting for a specific situation when writing firmware.

It's possible that it has to do with some kind of newer sensor but I've gone from 11,000 down to 4,000 without any CELs coming on in two different Subarus. And my mother drove from Colorado to Savannah GA multiple times in a '13 Outback without any CELs other than the CVT solenoid giving up on life at the end of one of the trips.

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