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NotJustANumber99 posted:Actually it isn't. Since nobody else has asked the question in all our minds I will. Did you skin him and wear him as a coat or did he just like sit on your head as a hat?
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Maugrim posted:Since nobody else has asked the question in all our minds I will. No he wore a lad, down. With a bit of sandpaper.
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This is a silly argument, we all know that a work wank is praxis (boss makes a dollar &c). However, if you're doing it whilst packed in a crowded room so your female colleagues can see, that's just forcing nonconsenting people to stoke your fetish & makes you a creep. Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/philbc3/status/1520850026204909576?s=21&t=s97pHUEyJ5D0VHbQLhDPWA
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Yes birds and insects. Motion blur makes the body look like a rod and the wing in motion look like a fin. Lying bastards. Look, I saw this youtube video where a guy filmed at night by a lamp, and all these alien rods were flying around. Of course if you use your lying eyes they might look like moths and midges, but when you put the filtered real world through the unvarnished lens of time-averaged digital capture and image processing, THEN you get the real truth! Wake up Sheeple!
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I'm self employed. For the story?
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Borrovan posted:Does this even make any sense? Like all I know about macroeconomics was a textbook I skimmed once in my early 20s, but I just can't see how making people poorer can curb cost-push inflation. They can talk about labour shortages causing higher wages in very limited sectors, but that isn't actually increasing demand, wages are stagnating overall & the retail sector is shrinking. Are they just making up some reason to say "it's actually a good thing that we are deliberately causing a recession that is in no way due to us all being a bunch of incompetent jokers and is actually something we tried to do on purpose"? It's not making that people poorer that directly curbs inflation. The bank raises interest rates, which lowers inflation by making people borrow (and hence spend) less and save more. This reduces economic growth, possibly causing a recession, but that gets written off as an acceptable side effect.
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Watching porn without wanking is absolutely deranged behaviour, like cthulhu has fully scrambled your brain and you are being driven by unfathomable energies from outside the cosmos level insanity.
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May 2, 2022 11:26
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Hallucinogenic Toreador posted:It's not making that people poorer that directly curbs inflation. The bank raises interest rates, which lowers inflation by making people borrow (and hence spend) less and save more. This reduces economic growth, possibly causing a recession, but that gets written off as an acceptable side effect. AIUI this is how you combat inflation due to the economy doing too well, not inflation due to the economy being utterly hosed.
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May 2, 2022 11:34
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Lungboy posted:But you don't have to vote Red instead of Blue to move the needle. I think the only way really move the needle is for Labour to be shown that they can't simply take the left for granted, and the only way to do that is vote for another party or not vote for anyone. Vote Green if your local Green isn't a Terf, or TUSC or anyone but Labour or Tory. If people vote for TUSC or NIP or whatever, all we'll get is cheers from the McShitter about having finally driven the left out of the party. Whenever they lose it's Corbyn's fault. When they win it's a repudiation of Corbynism. There is no message we can send that will correct the Starmer project. Not voting is going to be spun as 'Corbyn made people disengage from politics' or 'See how the Corbynistas let the tories in by refusing to vote,' same as with Bernie supporters in the US. Any 'message' we try to send is going to be twisted to drive the knife in further. This hasn't been about the truth ever since the establishment decided to monster Corbyn and the left. And how many times have we taken the piss out of Ken for whipping to abstain on votes, when it just means the remaining tories will vote nightmarish poo poo through? Yes, voting in the house is a different process and a different outcome but the parallel I'm drawing is that if you don't vote, you inflate the representative strength of everyone who is currently destroying our lives. NotJustANumber99 posted:And I never said anything about wanking. There's other reasons to watch porn.
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May 2, 2022 12:20
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Lungboy posted:AIUI this is how you combat inflation due to the economy doing too well, not inflation due to the economy being utterly hosed. Maybe I'm wrong though, just thinking about my own household finances: we currently spend 100% of our available income on essentials, but I also have debts, so I guess putting interest up causes me to spend less in that I'm now spending 100% of a slightly lower number? But then we're just back to "making people poorer"
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May 2, 2022 12:33
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Borrovan posted:Yeah that was my understanding as well (I was a bit glib with my "making people poorer" phrasing). Raising interest has no effect on consumer behaviour if the consumers haven't got any loving money.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Starmer and the party right have shown that they are going to willingly ignore any messages shown by the electorate and statistical feedback. They've gone all in on blairism despite him currently having less than 20% approval on yougov. They are haemmoraging members, but to them that's a good thing because those members were Corbynist infiltrators they want to replace with the hordes of sensible guardian readers who are coming any day now, they just need to drive out more leftists. Surely voting for them is sending a message and one of "Yes, everything you stand for is correct and you were right to do the things you did." I just cannot read this post and go along with it. Otherwise my vote is utterly meaningless because every single option is fundamentally wrong. That is not fair and I am not playing their game if so.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Starmer and the party right have shown that they are going to willingly ignore any messages shown by the electorate and statistical feedback. They've gone all in on blairism despite him currently having less than 20% approval on yougov. They are haemmoraging members, but to them that's a good thing because those members were Corbynist infiltrators they want to replace with the hordes of sensible guardian readers who are coming any day now, they just need to drive out more leftists. If no message matters, then what do you suggest we do? If we vote for them anyway then they will continue to take the left for granted and they will be correct to do so. You're also overlooking that while the Labour right will glory in the ejection of the party left, that doesn't mean that there are no consequences for them doing so. It may be their victory, but it is ultimately a Pyrrhic victory. Let them rejoice all they like; they only want their chance at the grift, but the more people they drive away from the Party the fewer of the PLP will be left to enjoy it.
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I mean, at this point I'm just gonna vote Green and hope they fix the terf issue. Never voting lib dem and certainly not propping up the Labour right.
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The boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That’s why I wank on company time.
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These are locals & don't matter much, it's really not gonna make much of a difference what colour rosette the poo poo cunts running the council are wearing. The Labour right will spin whatever happens as being Bad for Jeremy Corbyn, but in reality every loss they suffer is a step closer to the Starmer project crashing and burning, which has to happen whether you think Labour is salvageable or not.
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Borrovan posted:Yeah that was my understanding as well (I was a bit glib with my "making people poorer" phrasing). Raising interest has no effect on consumer behaviour if the consumers haven't got any loving money. Remember that rightwing economics is about deliberately training people wrong (but not as a joke). There are basically two paradigms that they teach about inflation - either there's too much money chasing too few goods and so that kicks off bidding wars as the people holding all the extra cash start upping their offers and prices move upwards (monetarism) or an economic theory called the Phillips Curve is brought out that is taken to mean that inflation and unemployment are inversely related - if you have low unemployment then you'll start seeing high inflation based around businesses having to offer higher and higher wages to meet their labour requirements and pushing those price rises onwards (Keynesianism). The Phillips curve is the rationale behind having an independent central bank with the ability to control interest rates and an inflation target - if inflation is high then they bang up interest rates, the economy slows down as institutions start holding cash or not borrowing so there's increased unemployment and so less wage cost pressure on inflation. This works perfectly for right wingers because it means there's only two axis' to consider and they're both bad for the working class so there's always an opportunity to deny anything can be done to improve their conditions because it would only make them worse off in another way or that this bad thing must be done to them to lessen the impact of the other bad thing. Not surprisingly, it's all lies. Critique from recent experience: For the last 30 years or so there's been no relationship between unemployment and inflation in the UK, they've just been whatever without any kind of inversion to each other. Critique from Phillips: The original proposed Phillips curve was the relationship between unemployment and wage increases, not unemployment and inflation, so the whole point is really built on the need for disciplining the workers rather than data. A short discussion in the text in fact suggested that these wage increases wouldn't ever be inflationary (merely reflecting changing economic conditions) except in the case of large increases in the price of imports. Fair enough in this exact moment those costs are increasing but it's dodgy to make a universal institutional law out of an edge case. Critique from Marx: Inflation is caused by too much money in an economy but too much money compared to circulating value rather than just 'goods'. The actual conditions of the economy create inflation or deflation and money moves in response, targetting money itself is a flawed mechanism. Value is created by labour so when production chains are screwed up then there is less value around creating inflationary pressure, so the solution is draining money out or adding more value in. Changing interest rates doesn't directly do either of those things, instead it messes with the velocity of money a bit as lending slows which causes a crisis as money isn't being spent at the speed the capitalist economy needs to function at, the crisis grows - businesses go bust, people are made unemployed and the value circulating in the economy is reduced further, widening the gap between total value and total money. There's then a downward spiral into full recession as the crisis goes on and the rate of profitability battles against the continuing inflationary pressure imbalance until the currency is devalued enough that it reaches the equilibrium again which ends the inflation and then the better prospects for realising profits from the massively devalued capital moves the economy back into a boom phase.
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Mebh posted:I mean, at this point I'm just gonna vote Green and hope they fix the terf issue. Never voting lib dem and certainly not propping up the Labour right.
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VideoGames posted:I just cannot read this post and go along with it. Otherwise my vote is utterly meaningless because every single option is fundamentally wrong. That is not fair and I am not playing their game if so. You can argue about trying to wrestle the gun off the guy, try to argue about the riduculousness of the choice, try to run, but the point is those are not part of the choice, they are external to it. Your options are still two horrible outcomes, one slightly less horrible than the other. You might as well choose the slightly less horrible one and concentrate your efforts elsewhere to make sure the choice never gets that bad again. Now that doesn't mean you don't still have power to affect change. Pod James has mentioned a few times about this process of institutions parallel to power (which I am probably misunderstanding). Look at the change brought about by Jack Monroe over economy food ranges. Look at Marcus Rashford managing to shame the tories into properly managing food parcels. Doesn't always work - look at XR and Insulate Britain. Doesn't mean it's not worth trying. The biggest example has probably been the unions, who even throughout the Blair years were able to keep workers rights from being totally decimated by threatening to pull funding. They are not a political party and you can't vote for them. But they can achieve a huge influence politically. So don't vote for kieth, vote for the unions. Again, you can see how far the Labour right have sunk that they seem to be trying to push the unions into leaving and bankrupting the party entirely, as long as there are no leftists. Change can be achieved. There is still hope. There are food banks, charities, advocacy groups, unions and social movements who are working together and trying to influence change from outside the system. The left isn't dead, it just has to decouple itself from party politics for a while, because right now politics is a rigged game. But if you don't play your move in that game the other side still wins uncontested. Jedit posted:If no message matters, then what do you suggest we do? If we vote for them anyway then they will continue to take the left for granted and they will be correct to do so. But you're not voting for labour. You're voting against the tories. You don't have to campaign for Labour or pretend Kieth is great, you just have to begrudgingly go put a tick in a box. If the choice is between the polite beginnings of fascism or outright fascism, i'll choose the one that gets us a step back from outright fascism, and concentrate my efforts for real change elsewhere.
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Marmaduke! posted:Sad lol that the Russian Foreign Minister said that Hitler was part Jewish and that the worst anti-semites are usually Jews as well "We beat the nazis once so everyone we're currently fighting is nazis." "Our empire ended the slavery that our empire started." "We're the cultural centre of our language sphere and everyone else is doing it wrong on purpose." "The Jews we don't like are actually antisemites" is just the next step along that type of brain smoothing.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:If we vote for them, they'll ignore us and continue to try to get rid of us. If we don't vote, they'll say we let the tories in. If we vote against them they'll do the same. Also, again, it's locals, fascism isn't beginning there. I'd have voted for a Labour candidate whom I knew personally, as I've found it helpful getting poo poo done in the past, but where I am it looks like a straight choice between Labour & a hyper-local traffic-lights-at-the-Dekebone-roundabout party & I just dgaf, so I'll use my vote to hand ammo to anyone in the party who feels like shivving Starmer for consistently losing votes. Thanks for this, not gonna pretend I understand more than half of it but it's interesting nonetheless. Re your first critique, led me to this:  Looks like a pretty strong inverse correlation up to about 6.5, when it becomes a weak positive correlation. Although re recent trends in the UK the fact that Theresa May spent years juking the employment stats to make it look like "once sold a jumper on ebay"=>"titan of industry" probably makes the data pretty meaningless. Also to offer a fourth critique: any argument that starts with "more people having jobs is bad, actually" (& doesn't end with "so we're gonna implement a generous UBI") is transparently mental
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my local Labour candidate’s leaflet led off with how a strong vote for Labour was going to “send a message to Westminster” which immediately lost her my vote before I’d got halfway down the page
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Borrovan posted:But in the first scenario, they succeed, & in the latter two they fail. Looking at it from a global perspective (based off reading FT) the UK falls squarely between the US and ECB - the US is facing strong fundamental inflation and has strong job/wage growth driving it, with low exposure to global factors, so they are raising rates aggressively towards 2.7%. The eurozone on the other hand has muted job/wage growth and strong exposure to global factors, so they are only raising rates to 0% (from negative) and keeping it there only until the expected recession. The UK falls somewhere in-between and so it's going for 1% in 0.25% steps (compared to 0.5% steps of the US fed).
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Borrovan posted:But in the first scenario, they succeed, & in the latter two they fail. Most of the people doing the damage are perfectly happy taking the free ride of being in opposition. The goal isn't to win, the goal is to destroy the party left. That's why Jessflips et al were so happy when they lost under Corbyn.
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To my mind the attitude of "vote for less poo poo party as its less poo poo" only holds water if people who would prefer to vote for a different option are small enough in number to never, ever make a difference. Otherwise surely you are better off spending your efforts trying to convince people to actually not just perpetuate the cycle of poo poo forever. It might feel hopeless, but by saying we must vote for the lesser evil you are actively making it more hopeless. Burn it all down. Mebh fucked around with this message at 15:49 on May 2, 2022 |
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Guavanaut posted:Be careful that doesn't get counted at a write-in for TUV. I continue to have this bad problem in my brain where TUV and TUSC are the same thing. Like I know which is which, but whenever I read either acronym I get this overriding flash of "true unionist socialist coalition" and I worry this is like some elder god trying to break through in the form of a cursed politcal party.
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My brain involuntarily came up with 'Elon TUSC' a few days ago, on the topic of deeply cursed things that shouldn't.
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Glad I live in a country that uses STV for local elections. Actually with STV is it worth ranking all of the parties, or just the ones you actually tolerate enough to put a number beside?
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if Labour win then obviously we’re not going to get actual change because Keith will have been vindicated if Labour lose slightly then we’re probably not getting change because it’ll be blamed on the legacy of Corbyn and how Labour need to be even more Tory than the Tories but if Labour absolutely eat poo poo then just maaaaaybe we might get some improvement, there’s only so much the Labour right can blame everyone else and if they get utterly stomped then the media will happily rip them to shreds because “Labour in Chaos” is good news for their Tory paymasters
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I still think you should be able to do an unvote. Rather than voting for people you should also be able to vote against them and it subtracts one from their vote count.
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OwlFancier posted:If nobody can secure a positive amount of votes all the candidates get fired out of a cannon into the sea. Live on Channel 4
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