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What happens if a justice dies during the writing of an opinion? Like imagine, I dunno, Thomas has a heart attack and dies. If the opinion is still being drafted when it happens, does it matter if he was intending to sign onto it? What if he’d already written a concurrence? Or signed the majority opinion, but dies before it’s published?
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Reveilled posted:What happens if a justice dies during the writing of an opinion? Like imagine, I dunno, Thomas has a heart attack and dies. If the opinion is still being drafted when it happens, does it matter if he was intending to sign onto it? What if he’d already written a concurrence? Or signed the majority opinion, but dies before it’s published? I think if he has already signed it, it counts. I may be wrong though.
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May 3, 2022 04:20
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Reveilled posted:What happens if a justice dies during the writing of an opinion? Like imagine, I dunno, Thomas has a heart attack and dies. If the opinion is still being drafted when it happens, does it matter if he was intending to sign onto it? What if he’d already written a concurrence? Or signed the majority opinion, but dies before it’s published? #winning
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May 3, 2022 04:24
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Staluigi posted:Lol this is like an answer to the question of "is there anything conservatives could do to hypothetically prevent the midterms from being a guaranteed victory for them? Anything lovely and brazen enough that it puts things back in play?" The timing is superbly arrogant I wish I had your confidence that this won't benefit the conservative turnout and election results.
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May 3, 2022 04:27
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May 3, 2022 04:30
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I'm interested how much this will actually change state-to-state since a lot of the really anti-abortion states already had de-facto bans.
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May 3, 2022 04:31
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If culture conservatives notch enough enormous, unprecedented, society redefining wins they may eventually tire themselves out. Just something to chew on.
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May 3, 2022 04:34
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Republicans posted:I'm interested how much this will actually change state-to-state since a lot of the really anti-abortion states already had de-facto bans. It'll probably have a bigger impact on telehealth stuff than in-person procedures, since there's a lot of abortions done that way, but the bigger threat is probably President DeSantis (or Trump) and a GOP House/Senate passing a bill criminalizing abortion nationally in 2024.
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May 3, 2022 04:36
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Republicans posted:I'm interested how much this will actually change state-to-state since a lot of the really anti-abortion states already had de-facto bans. https://twitter.com/upshotnyt/status/1521297236319211523?s=21&t=wT13wSKy8Q9zroSfi6h8CQ And this doesn’t take into account states like Iowa that don’t have one of these laws but will absolutely fast track a ban
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May 3, 2022 04:38
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DC Murderverse posted:https://twitter.com/upshotnyt/status/1521297236319211523?s=21&t=wT13wSKy8Q9zroSfi6h8CQ Yeah just peaking at this map Florida, Virginia, Montana, Wyoming, Missouri, potentially Wisconsin and Iowa could all quickly see full bans on abortion sweep into place as well. loving lmao that Roe is going to die while the Democrats are in power and Nancy Pelosi is on record that being pro-choice shouldn't be a litmus test for Democratic politicians. Just an absolutely worthless loving party. Republicans are throwing women to the loving wolves and the best the "good guys" can do is wring their hands, tweet, and tell everybody to vote. loving pathetic.
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May 3, 2022 04:44
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I predict that by 2025 they will be screening women for pregnancies when they try to travel to Mexico and other nations, that have legal abortion. Under His Eye.
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May 3, 2022 04:52
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ilkhan posted:I'm curious what your endgame is in this scenario? You destroy the legitimacy of the court, because you think it's blatantly political... Which lets you make it even more blatantly political? Uh the alternative is to have legislatures write laws to establish these political norms instead of relying on unelected justices to decide what the law really is. Now I know that the U.S. doesn’t have a functional federal legislative branch anymore, and many of the state legislatures are primed to pass lovely laws that reduce freedoms, but you can absolutely be opposed to relying on the judiciary to uphold rights without resorting to partisan violence. This is what “politics” is supposed to be for. This boner for the institution that said Dredd Scott wasn’t a person, that existed for the whole Lochner era, that said jailing pacifists during wartime doesn’t violate free speech rights, that has been plenty awful—that it’s beloved by liberals because it has been unexpectedly progressive for much of the past 50 years, is totally misplaced and has been an excuse for abstaining from engaging in the pursuit of actual politician progress.
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May 3, 2022 04:54
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DC Murderverse posted:https://twitter.com/upshotnyt/status/1521297236319211523?s=21&t=wT13wSKy8Q9zroSfi6h8CQ Yep, the Iowa GOP will be on that so fast they'll leave skidmarks, and the governor's a Trumpist shill.
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FAUXTON posted:this also will be used when scolding folks about 'once again finding something more important than brunch' won't it 
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I'm trying to find it, but does anyone have that jpg of RGB "With this character's death"...caption?
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Imagine actually respecting Justin Amash.
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I swear we passed a really restrictive abortion law here in FL this year
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May 3, 2022 05:12
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Shammypants posted:There is a relevant and not 0% chance Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito die before 2024. Hope is but a wish upon a dream, and maybe that's enough to get people motivated. Scalia already did die before 2020, and it didn't get people motivated. Hillary should just buy a bunch of billboards saying "I told you so."
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May 3, 2022 05:25
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I get the frustration at Dems for Being Bad, but wtf is the alternative? Not voting? Why is it so lovely to vote for Dems and press them to do the right thing?
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VorpalBunny posted:I get the frustration at Dems for Being Bad, but wtf is the alternative? Not voting? Why is it so lovely to vote for Dems and press them to do the right thing? I mean "Don't Vote" is D&D's default position, isn't it? From the look of it, nothing has fundamentally changed 
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May 3, 2022 05:37
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FlamingLiberal posted:I swear we passed a really restrictive abortion law here in FL this year Depending on how it's worded, a lot of those state laws are powerless until Roe gets overruled, and then they instantly spring into full effect
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VorpalBunny posted:I get the frustration at Dems for Being Bad, but wtf is the alternative? Not voting? Why is it so lovely to vote for Dems and press them to do the right thing? The problem is people DID vote. And nothing changed. It just got worse. "Vote harder next time" isn't acceptable.
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May 3, 2022 05:38
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Minera posted:True. Imagine if the Republicans held power right now, they'd be doing things like overturning Roe V. Wade and threatening gay marriage Yes, this is true. You literally described what just happened today. Republicans won 2016, got three SCOTUS appointments and a couple hundred Federalist Society approved judges into lower courts. Since conservative judges are a trailing indicator for the disease of Republican presidencies, that damage lingers for years after the initial symptoms clear. Even before this happened we had plenty of Trump appointees at all levels of the court aiming to slap down even modest improvements by the incoming administration, some of which already floated up to the conveniently 6-3 SCOTUS.
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VorpalBunny posted:I get the frustration at Dems for Being Bad, but wtf is the alternative? Not voting? Why is it so lovely to vote for Dems and press them to do the right thing? Yeah maybe in another 48 years they’ll codify abortion rights. Maybe in another 75 years we’ll get UHC, etc
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SCOTUS leaks are rare, but I don’t think they’re as rare as someone earlier in this thread put it. This article documents all the times it’s happened: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-draft-opinion-00029475
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nine-gear crow posted:Imagine actually respecting Justin Amash. imagine respecting a politician in this day and age
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Why would a lifetime appointed judge fear public opinion? ilkhan posted:The courts are literally the meditator between left and right. Do you think anyone is better off when the sides turn to violence to solve their disputes because the courts have lost that respect? maybe the same glimmer of "oh, hmm" that flickers into my mind every so often. i doubt the jurists are so blind (okay, maybe with the exception of Breyer, but hey, he's gone!) to changes in the country's political dynamics so as to forever cling to notions of impartiality, or to believe that they can meaningfully (if they even wanted to, which i can't say the majority does) heal partisan divides through skillful rhetoric and adroit legal reasoning. this maybe isn't so much a case of whether anyone's better off with the violence option than a who, when? with the violence option. i often think back to my mom coming upstairs during the Jan 6 events with an aghast "they've stormed the Capitol!" announcement, and my nonchalant "eh, so what? they did the same thing in Kyrgyzstan like a year ago (with much more success)--hell, people did the same thing while i was in Georgia" response. meaningful political unrest, to the extent that someone is actually burning a building down, is something fairly alien to us in the US, but it's not something that doesn't happen because ironclad political norms protect us there's maybe not so much a fear of public opinion than a (not unreasonable) fear of being in the actually burning down building when the slow boil reaches that point Qtotonibudinibudet fucked around with this message at 06:05 on May 3, 2022 |
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ilkhan posted:The courts are literally the meditator between left and right. Do you think anyone is better off when the sides turn to violence to solve their disputes because the courts have lost that respect? I know your entire gimmick but I gotta ask regardless: please read the leaked Alito decision and then try to explain to me how SCOTUS is "the mediator between left and right." (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ilkhan posted:I'm curious what your endgame is in this scenario? You destroy the legitimacy of the court, because you think it's blatantly political... Which lets you make it even more blatantly political? My dude, you have a long history of expressing opinions that the Supreme Court should move further right. This "the Supreme Court is apolitical" when they are enforcing your politics is blatantly disingenuous.
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VorpalBunny posted:I get the frustration at Dems for Being Bad, but wtf is the alternative? Not voting? Why is it so lovely to vote for Dems and press them to do the right thing? Because they never do. How many times do y'all need the rug pulled? It's like watching Charlie Brown keep expecting the ball to be there, forever.
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Sooner or later when you've kicked the can down the road for long enough you run out of road. Not that Dem leaders care considering Biden himself doesn't like abortion and knows nothing will come to him via Congress so he can make meaningless statements to liberals. The SCOTUS has been wholly illegitimate for decades and nobody wanted to address it because of the strife it'd cause, so we've just taken nakedly political rulings one after the other and allowed the wound to become infested and rot set in. Also shout out to this wonderful nepotistic failure of a human being, upholding the shitlib family tradition: https://twitter.com/sfpelosi/status/1521294980488204289 https://twitter.com/sfpelosi/status/352979428881604608 When things finally boil over I hope nothing remains except ash. RoboChrist 9000 posted:Why would a lifetime appointed judge fear public opinion? They shouldn't fear public opinion, they should feat the public itself. Devor posted:The right wing court is explicitly political. They pretend they aren't, but they are. Alito, Thomas, and others regularly attend Federalist Society and other extreme right wing gatherings. They don't pretend to to be apolitical in the slightest. Shammypants posted:Mindboggling to see the mental gymnastics here that republicans will benefit from this or not be hurt by this. I don't get it. Women are the reason republicans lose elections. Guess the GOP's lucky they've been severely cracking down on voting access then. Doesn't matter how pissed off and driven to vote you might be when you can't loving vote. Maybe this will help the Dems in November but they're so loving worthless that I think the GOP's still going to take both chambers and pretty much guaranteed the WH if Biden's stupid enough to run again (he is) or if Harris is made the presumptive nominee and challengers are hamstrung by the DNC. Crows Turn Off posted:What does a "less legitimate" court mean? Why would SCOTUS care? That doesn't impact their power one bit. The SCOTUS's power is based entirely on perceived legitimacy. It has no power to enforce its rulings and it relies on others to do so. If everyone decides the court is illegitimate and ignores it there's gently caress all the SCOTUS can do about it.
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ilkhan posted:Do you think anyone is better off when the sides turn to violence to solve their disputes because the courts have lost that respect? When the sides turn to open violence, courts won't matter because it's going to be decided by whichever side is left standing.
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VorpalBunny posted:I get the frustration at Dems for Being Bad, but wtf is the alternative? Not voting? Why is it so lovely to vote for Dems and press them to do the right thing? https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1180506681459040256 If only he had won the presidency, along with party control of both and senate and house in 2020. Then he could have done something in the past two years to prevent this from happening. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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More people are going to vote against the Dems because of inflation and high gas prices than those who will vote against the GOP because of this ruling that everyone knew was coming the moment RBG died.
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jetz0r posted:https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1180506681459040256 He's given a number of speeches and statements championing the codification of abortion rights, endorsed the codifying legislation (which passed the House last September and is held up in the Senate), and the DoJ has gotten involved in the various state abortion law cases, including filing a pro-choice amicus brief in the very case at issue.
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Discendo Vox posted:He's given a number of speeches and statements championing the codification of abortion rights, endorsed the codifying legislation (which passed the House last September and is held up in the Senate), and the DoJ has gotten involved in the various state abortion law cases, including filing a pro-choice amicus brief in the very case at issue. how come this wasn't all over my narrowly curated news feed then 
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Nelson Mandingo posted:The problem is people DID vote. And nothing changed. It just got worse. "Vote harder next time" isn't acceptable. No, the problem is that people didn't vote in 2016, and voting in 2018 and 2020 is not enough to erase that mistake even if the Democrats pulled off a virtuoso election performance. I would have thought "repairing the balance of the Supreme Court for a generation" was a more effective campaign slogan than "try and pull off some semblance of damage control," but I guess I don't understand the Rust Belt mentality. I suppose the people of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan can just send the women of America an apologetic fruit basket.
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Discendo Vox posted:He's given a number of speeches  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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VorpalBunny posted:I get the frustration at Dems for Being Bad, but wtf is the alternative? Not voting? Why is it so lovely to vote for Dems and press them to do the right thing? There is no mechanism whatsoever* to press the Dems to do the right thing if they’re going to receive your vote 100% of the time regardless. *within our political framework, I guess I should say
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