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When I reviewed one of Ben Shapiro`s books for the book review roulette thread, I made fun of him for using the exact same argument as Alito is now.Aramis posted:I also want to highlight No, abortion isn’t a constitutional right Where Ben makes a case that: At this point, I wouldn't even be surprised if we end up with Justice Shapiro in the near-ish future.
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As mentioned earlier, it doesn't matter how galvanized Dems get by this because the GOP is consistently winning the war on voting rights so it doesn't matter how eager someone is to vote when it means standing in line for 8+ hours, assuming they're allowed time off from work to do so (they aren't) or that the voting machines just happen to not work right in your blue district while red districts have ample amounts of working machines and accessibility.Liquid Communism posted:If we're going by that measure, chattel slavery and racial segregation are both on the menu too, you realize. I'm sure Alito does, and is quite proud of himself. Slavery was never abolished in the US, it was just shuffled to the prison system with a knowing wink and nod. vyelkin posted:Alito goes on to claim that abortion is distinct from those cases because it involves "potential life" and therefore a "critical moral question" not touched on by the other cases based on the unenumerated right to privacy. But the writing is on the wall when he says that allowing a broad "right to autonomy" even on "moral questions" isn't Constitutionally protected and that "none of these rights has any claim to being deeply rooted in history," implying that the 5-4 majority would be open to arguments that all of those cases predicated on the right to privacy and autonomy were also wrongly decided from the start. Time to federally mandate all vaccinations are required and start imprisoning people who refuse and don't have a valid medical condition. Organ donation is now mandatory as are blood donations when supplies are low. vyelkin posted:My expectation is that the right is preemptively preparing legal challenges to blue state abortion laws to argue fetal personhood in front of the 5-4 Supreme Court. Pretty much. It'll also be codified into law in 2025 (as well as criminal penalties for abortion, including traveling outside the US for one) when the GOP takes the White House because lmao if anyone thinks Biden or Harris is going to win or that the DNC won't sabotage anyone who mounts a primary challenge.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Republicans will be pumped they finally got a MASSIVE win like this. They will be happy, energized, and ready to take on the next thing. Yeah, using power to accomplish goals motivates supporters because it proves you're not a completely worthless con artist.
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vyelkin posted:This is why I don't buy arguments that this decision would be particularly galvanizing for Democrats, because it could well be equally (or more) galvanizing for Republicans who can now argue that they're halfway to the actual goal of banning abortion nationwide, and they need to continue the push to achieve one or more of three things: 1) a SCOTUS decision overturning blue-state abortion laws on the basis of fetal personhood, 2) a federal law explicitly criminalizing abortion nationwide, 3) a constitutional amendment banning abortion. I'm afraid that anyone who thinks they will stop at the borders of states with a Republican trifecta instead of mobilizing even harder to push abortion bans from coast to coast is mistaken. And even once they do that, they'll keep pushing because they have proven that their strategy of dominating the courts works to cement their reactionary agenda, so why would they stop at abortion when they could keep repealing rights forever? The problem with your take is that the Republicans are always galvanized and almost always vote extremely reliably. There is not a significant pool of anti choice apathetic Republicans who will now vote. There are however a large pool of democratic leaning voters who are often apathetic. The gop is a minority in this country that has already almost maxed out their voting power. Its why the conventional wisdom is always "when democrats vote, they win"
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https://twitter.com/akapczynski/status/1521494553877962754?s=20&t=kep1SkSr3x45bn967FNMtw Some are saying the leak was done to ensure opinions don't sway or moderate and that the worst possible opinion does come to pass.
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For all she tried to do for women's rights, RBG's legacy will be her selfishness caused Roe v. Wade to be overturned. That is incredibly damning.
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Opening Arguments' Andrew Torres had an interesting suspicion that it could even have been Ginny Thomas sharing it with some wing nut find raiser types, something that would seem to be in line with her highly unethical access to SCotUS info and general insanity. I am really looking forward to Republican commentators suddenly losing interest in how terribly this leak undermines the sanctity of the court when it turns out the call was coming from inside the house and actually this was a fairly minor procedural thing. We'll also be able to look forward to mixed messaging and infighting on the left as people try to score decorum points about it (justifiably, this kind of stuff shouldn't be leaking) and other people attack them for not concentrating on the much bigger issue of abortion being outlawed. Which is a difficult one as it's bad that it was leaked but nowhere near as bad as the opinion itself.
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Devorum posted:What's going to fall next? Casey? Obergefell? Griswold?
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Whenever people say substantive due process is dumb I always point them at Buck v. Bell, because that’s where we are without substantive due process.
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Kirios posted:For all she tried to do for women's rights, RBG's legacy will be her selfishness caused Roe v. Wade to be overturned. That is incredibly damning. RBG deserves a legacy of being poo poo on. She was hubris in human form and she held as many lovely beliefs as progressive ones. e: This is my surprised face. https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1521518683243352064 Reminder that when the GOP next retake the WH and Congress they're going to immediately nuke the filibuster the first time Dems use it to try and block the Fetal Personhood And Murder All Abortion Providers Act. Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 17:07 on May 3, 2022 |
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Wealthy Coal Baron: "I'M PROTECTING YOU BY NOT PROTECTING YOU, CAN'T YOU SEE THAT"
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Evil Fluffy posted:Reminder that when the GOP next retake the WH and Congress they're going to immediately nuke the filibuster the first time Dems use it to try and block the Fetal Personhood And Murder All Abortion Providers Act. Said act will also include a tax cut for billionaires.
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Evil Fluffy posted:RBG deserves a legacy of being poo poo on. She was hubris in human form and she held as many lovely beliefs as progressive ones. Manchin is anti-choice so he wouldn't have voted for it anyway, Sinema was the only one that was only 90% clear which way it would go but has now said she's not gonna ditch the filibuster (along with some other bullshit about how she totally supports the right to an abortion but still refuses to do anything about it) https://twitter.com/alizaslav/status/1521518547784114178 https://twitter.com/alizaslav/status/1521518687324413952
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Evil Fluffy posted:Reminder that when the GOP next retake the WH and Congress they're going to immediately nuke the filibuster the first time Dems use it to try and block the Fetal Personhood And Murder All Abortion Providers Act. This keeps getting brought up as if its some weird kind of zero sum game. It isn't. The whole system is tailor made for impartial laws/rulings/regulations etc, they simply have to be passed as law. Republicans could (if enough power and control was consolidated) simply pass a law that only allows Republican legislators to filibuster.
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Kirios posted:For all she tried to do for women's rights, RBG's legacy will be her selfishness caused Roe v. Wade to be overturned. That is incredibly damning. Yep
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Sydin posted:Nah gently caress everybody actually. gently caress the Republicans and their theological hellscape bullshit putting these ghouls in a position of power to strip away fundamental human rights. And gently caress Democrats for swearing up and down that if given power they'd use it to protect a woman's right to choose only to completely fail to do so with the excuse of "uh well Yeah, voting for Democrats works …well kinda https://twitter.com/qaomene/status/1521299915699195905
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you should have voted for us harder also this is really the left's fault for failing Hillary in 2016."
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:What was his priority aside from getting loving turbo-murdered in the midterms Getting the ACA passed, firing Shirley Sherrod, and having a beer with the guy who arrested that Harvard professor.
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Hobologist posted:Getting the ACA passed, firing Shirley Sherrod, and having a beer with the guy who arrested that Harvard professor. That incident should've made it abundantly clear how spineless Obama would be as POTUS. Correctly called out the mistreatment of that professor only to tone it down because it hurt racists feelings. He could've doubled down on that incident as a prime example of the negative view Americans have about black people by default but that'd have required him to be a leader.
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I hope this partly lets people wake up that Obama really wasn't that good of a President. Hell you could make the case Biden has done more and he hasn't been great either!
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If the Democrats can't get reproductive health through congress after this I'm just done with them. Kick Manchin out of the party and let McConnell run the Senate again. If things get bad enough quickly enough perhaps by the time my kids have kids things will have started improving.
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Rigel posted:Obama was pretty much done with the GOP's poo poo after the first midterms, but he never regained congress. What year did he try to do the grand bargain again?
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uPen posted:If the Democrats can't get reproductive health through congress after this I'm just done with them. Kick Manchin out of the party and let McConnell run the Senate again. If things get bad enough quickly enough perhaps by the time my kids have kids things will have started improving. Or, and let me put this out there, things won't start improving even then.
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uPen posted:If the Democrats can't get reproductive health through congress after this I'm just done with them. Kick Manchin out of the party and let McConnell run the Senate again. If things get bad enough quickly enough perhaps by the time my kids have kids things will have started improving. The problem with this is there are major obstacles to passing some sort of federal abortion legislation. The feds have no power to mandate a lot of things. E.g. medicaid expansion. See also, federal highway funds & drinking age. Our system of federalism specifically limits the ability for feds to actually pass something that has authority. There really isn't a legislative interpretation issue here, so there isn't something that Congress can simply pass to clarify language. They're stuck with trying to enumerate a federal right. To do so, they must use a power that Congress has. They likely cannot force states to accept a federal law that says "abortion rights are protected and any state law to the contrary is overruled" because there isn't exactly an enumerated power that grants them the authority over healthcare. They can certainly pass something that ties access to federal healthcare funding to abortion access, but I don't think that would survive a court challenge. This could be done through reconciliation, so no filibuster concerns are present. It's about the only way that I can sit here and think of to achieve the goal. America will probably collapse before abortion is legal again nationwide.
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Crows Turn Off posted:There is no reason to think that things getting worse more quickly will make things get better eventually. Destruction brings Creation. Tree of liberty. Etc.
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uPen posted:...If things get bad enough quickly enough perhaps by the time my kids have whomever Gilead assigns as a sponsor to father their kids, things will have started improving. FTFY
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Imagine how much the Democrats will be able to fundraise off of this. Gotta imagine that there are a lot of quiet parties being thrown at the upper echelons. Looking forward to the most important election of our lifetime!
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Its more frightening to think that with their victory over abortion rights which ghoulish cause will they champion next as the preeminent single issue to ensorcell those previous single issue abortion voters....
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Rigel posted:Obama was pretty much done with the GOP's poo poo after the first midterms, but he never regained congress. This is the same Obama who offered to kill Social Security in 2015 and it failed because Republicans didn't think it went far enough, right? That Obama? The guy who made toothless non-statements after the Shelby County ruling in 2013 where everyone knew it was going to lead to an immediate and massive crackdown on voting rights by the GOP? Yeah he sure showed the GOP who's boss. It's the GOP, OP. DandyLion posted:Its more frightening to think that with their victory over abortion rights which ghoulish cause will they champion next as the preeminent single issue to ensorcell those previous single issue abortion voters.... There's no guesswork required. Alito's draft explicitly calls out other things that should be overturned for the same reason they're overturning Roe. The opinion is stating in very clear terms "as soon as someone sends us a case about these things they're as dead as Roe v. Wade."
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DandyLion posted:Its more frightening to think that with their victory over abortion rights which ghoulish cause will they champion next as the preeminent single issue to ensorcell those previous single issue abortion voters.... No need to change course. As long as some blue states still allow abortion they can keep fighting that same good fight, keep beating that same old drum. And now they can rightfully claim they're making progress.
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Mr. Nice! posted:The problem with this is there are major obstacles to passing some sort of federal abortion legislation. The feds have no power to mandate a lot of things. E.g. medicaid expansion. See also, federal highway funds & drinking age. Our system of federalism specifically limits the ability for feds to actually pass something that has authority. There really isn't a legislative interpretation issue here, so there isn't something that Congress can simply pass to clarify language. In this specific case, it is not difficult for the Feds to make abortion legal nationwide (assuming you can pass a law through congress, obviously). They simply have to license and regulate it themselves, set up some kind of Federal abortion board where providers get their license. At that point, because of interstate commerce, the states can't ban abortion. The most they can do is refuse to pay for anything out of state budgets and refuse to help the Feds in any way with regulating their national abortion scheme. Rigel fucked around with this message at 21:00 on May 3, 2022 |
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DandyLion posted:Its more frightening to think that with their victory over abortion rights which ghoulish cause will they champion next as the preeminent single issue to ensorcell those previous single issue abortion voters.... They haven't achieved victory over abortion rights just by killing Roe - for "victory", they'll look for a nationwide ban with criminal penalties for leaving the country to get one. Then they'll move onto contraception, and after that, divorce, in addition to whatever non-reproductive-choice stuff they cook up. Anti-choice people don't care about abortion as such - they care about it because reproductive autonomy undermines their vision of what family life, and human social life in general, should be like. Eliminating reproductive autonomy is the actual goal. They're surprisingly open about this if you catch them in the right mood.
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Rigel posted:In this specific case, it is not difficult for the Feds to make abortion legal nationwide. They simply have to license and regulate it themselves, set up some kind of Federal abortion board where providers get their license. I think the bigger issue with federal abortion legalization is that a majority of senators don't want it to be legal. Kick the Democrats who don't want it out of the party, or don't, but either way, they're not going to vote for it.
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raminasi posted:I think the bigger issue with federal abortion legalization is that a majority of senators don't want it to be legal. Kick the Democrats who don't want it out of the party, or don't, but either way, they're not going to vote for it. I'm not saying they have the ability to do it this year, but the poster I was responding to seemed to think it wasn't legally doable even if you had enough senators to make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant.
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