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Splinter posted:Have they mentioned anything about the OW2 arcade modes yet? I'd be surprised if there's no MH in the OW2 arcade. Even now in the beta you can play MH via the custom games menu. I agree that games could get ugly if a team rolls something like 3 new tanks and 2 healers. Maybe they'll have some rules to prevent that? However, that's kinda always been just something you have to deal with when playing MH. You just have to hope that at some point your team rolls a comp that's even more OP. In OW1 they never put in rules that would prevent knowingly unbalanced comps (e.g. a team could still roll multiple of a single hero, which was removed very early on from regular OW), so I wouldn't be surprised if they do nothing for MH balance in OW2. It seems unlikely that we'd see multiple versions of MH in the playlist. It's already a niche mode so I doubt they'll want to split it into 2 separate queues.
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Adding in more supports (which yes they should do) and making them all really fun to play (which also yeah) will not make people play supports more. Healing is just straight up a role most people do not want to do
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May 3, 2022 22:39
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May 3, 2022 22:42
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but only the black ones to keep it racist or whatever
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Eason the Fifth posted:but only the black ones to keep it racist or whatever 
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Macaluso posted:Adding in more supports (which yes they should do) and making them all really fun to play (which also yeah) will not make people play supports more. Healing is just straight up a role most people do not want to do People will absolutely play healers if they're fun, and people will even be useful as Rambo medics that aren't actually teamplaying if you design them right
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Macaluso posted:Adding in more supports (which yes they should do) and making them all really fun to play (which also yeah) will not make people play supports more. Healing is just straight up a role most people do not want to do Support tends to have longer queues than tank in OW1, so I'm not sure in general it's a role people hate. I think the problem is more that many of them don't feel that great to play in OW2. Some need more mobility, escape and/or self peel with how OW2 plays (especially the new maps). An additional problem with the beta specifically is the supports other than brig are relatively unchanged, while tank/damage has seen more reworks (and a new hero). So people looking to check out the new stuff don't have much reason to queue support. Adding more supports and making them fun to play will absolutely get more people playing support.
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May 3, 2022 23:04
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I basically stopped playing non-Lucio supports just because running back from spawn takes too long otherwise and is boring, and you spend a significant amount of time doing that.
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enable friendly fire for supports only and the role would be a lot more tolerable to play as
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Marin Karin posted:enable friendly fire for supports only and the role would be a lot more tolerable to play as would get a little confusing with Ana, but I am for it
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In general I think OW1 support is the most fun role, but I haven't played it in over a year because I'm trying to master tank. OW2 support sounds kind of miserable though. I think it will get better as people realize protecting supports wins matches. I do think support should have the advantage in duels too. Like you better be able to seriously outplay someone if you are on a solo flank.
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Support is a blast and people who say it isn't fun or that nobody enjoys it are projecting.
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headcase posted:In general I think OW1 support is the most fun role, but I haven't played it in over a year because I'm trying to master tank. OW2 support sounds kind of miserable though. I think it will get better as people realize protecting supports wins matches. I do think support should have the advantage in duels too. Like you better be able to seriously outplay someone if you are on a solo flank. They were called Brigette and Baptiste and everyone loving hated them and the metas they enforced for years at a time. Invalidating an entire class of characters by making them incapable of doing their job (shootmans) because other heroes provide a poo poo ton of team utility and STILL play better shootmans then they do is why OW1 had to create role queue to get people to a actually play more then the same seven heroes that invalidated DPS and even other tanks and supports and at first just created a newer, badder, faster-staling meta because 1/3 of your team was locked into the Bad Role.
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Mr. Locke posted:They were called Brigette and Baptiste and everyone loving hated them and the metas they enforced for years at a time. Invalidating an entire class of characters by making them incapable of doing their job (shootmans) because other heroes provide a poo poo ton of team utility and STILL play better shootmans then they do is why OW1 had to create role queue to get people to a actually play more then the same seven heroes that invalidated DPS and even other tanks and supports and at first just created a newer, badder, faster-staling meta because 1/3 of your team was locked into the Bad Role. show me where the brig smurf touched your SR
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Sakara123 posted:show me where the brig smurf touched your SR I was the Brig Smurf. I'm traditionally a support player. I played a poo poo-ton of her from release all the way to when I more or less stopped playing OW and had a blast making GBS threads on all the poor DPS who thought they had a Play of the Game coming. Everyone's carry until they get a shield to the face in our backline. But at the same time it was terrible for the game as a whole and I can freely admit that. DPS being bad as a role because support often did it better was not healthy for OW1 in the slightest.
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It occurs to me now that the move speed buff is probably the reason I can't hit poo poo with Mei 's m2 anymore, now that all the leading and prediction I'm doing are wrong. Not getting much value out of her ults anymore either, now that everyone can get out of them 50% faster Woo new game to learn?
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Support is a blast and people who say it isn't fun or that nobody enjoys it are projecting.  I like playing Ana even though my aim sucks, and I like playing Moira when I get sick of getting jumped on. Brig and Lucio are fun for encouraging a team to actually press W. I don't play much Mercy, but she's a nice change of pace.
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general thoughts about the game after playing it more, now that a week is up modes: robot/push is great. I like that the payload is small and mobile, I see way way less stalling by Lucios and Tracers on it compared to old payload or control maps. the game length is perfect, it feels good knowing how long a match will be and it feels very reactive, since you have plenty of time to get an ult ready, or swap heroes, etc. it made me realize a complaint I had with control maps: if you're getting beat down too hard on a point, sometimes you never have time to swap or do anything and just have to take the L. which yeah that's why you play multiple rounds but robot mode made me think about it more. an actual king of the hill mode where you had to fight over two or three points at once and got points for holding them, and first team to some set amount won would be an interesting twist on control with 5 player teams. i will actually miss assault or w/e the gently caress they called 2 point maps, but that's only because this game is so starved for content it seems ludicrous to me to remove anything at this point. roles: tanks: feel great. nice little soft rock paper scissors dynamic swapping between them. orisa felt really insane at first but now that I know how to play against her I think she might even be a teeny bit underpowered. zarya feels insanely strong every time I try her and roadhog feels great against the flood of doom pickers. speaking of, doomfist still feels really disruptive, but in a very annoying "ah gently caress you tank stop taunting me and let me go!" way and not an unfun to play against way. i went back to a few games of ow1 and playing against OG uppercut one shot doom there was just a total loving buzzkill for my enjoyment of that game (along with all the rest of the CC scattered everywhere like flashbang) dps: yeah, it's dps. hitscan are a lot better now and in general it feels more fun/easier to ult and make cool poo poo happen now. getting a pick is a bigger deal, you aren't shooting at shields all day. sojourn feels great and is a nice little nod to quake, unreal tournament, and apex legends. she gets quite insane on point assault when teams are clumped in corridors and you can just spam railgun shots into supports while flicking your m1 back to the tank. support: support probably need to be reworked extensively and either shifted away from healing, or be designed to solo heal a team (with 1 per team set as the limit.) ways to do that probably include reworking/buffing medkits or just making the out of combat regen global (on a much longer cooldown or something than the current support model). either way the passive regen they gave them is such a loving relief for many of the healers (altho it makes me question why shields even exist anymore on heroes like zenyatta) scoreboard: i am so loving grateful this exists, it's genuinely such a huge load off my mind when games feel impossible and I pop the scoreboard and see a widowmaker or sojourn with 800 damage done 6 minutes into a round. it's good to know when a game is unwinnable and to just chill and wait for next, instead of going insane trying to figure out what's wrong with your team comp or your own play. maybe it's just the nature of new stuff/quick play but toxicity seems way, way way way lower after playing a ton of ow2. lack of scoreboard might be the single biggest thing stopping me from enjoying ow1 again.
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Make Symmetra a support again that applies shields and poo poo. [edit] It's been nearly 2 years since I set foot in this thread.  [edit 2] these queue times are so bad lol teagone fucked around with this message at 13:57 on May 4, 2022 |
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Bring back armor packs and make Torb a support somehow. Just spitballing here... I was glad to see yesterday that they've at least acknowledged the current issues with the support role, not sure if that was discussed upthread at all. Just the fact that there's a promise for balance patching and support seemingly being the primary focus of new content as the beta continues makes things feel a little better, and will go a long way towards alleviating queue times. Now we wait and see if they deliver.
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TASTE THE PAIN!! posted:Bring back armor packs and make Torb a support somehow. Just spitballing here... Honestly, 100% this and Symmetra. Rework them again to be supports.
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teagone posted:Honestly, 100% this and Symmetra. Rework them again to be supports. Sym with healing turrets from one of the content creator experimental patches was actually pretty fun.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Sym with healing turrets from one of the content creator experimental patches was actually pretty fun. I liked when Symm could apply shields. [edit] I had my sickest Sojourn play just now. Nano railgun owns https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WelldocumentedCraftyCobra-mobile.mp4 Also lol at the chat.
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teagone posted:Honestly, 100% this and Symmetra. Rework them again to be supports. Yes, bring back 350 hp raidboss tracer, now with extra raidboss Sombra. This will surely make people want to play support!!!
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Arzachel posted:Yes, bring back 350 hp raidboss tracer, now with extra raidboss Sombra. This will surely make people want to play support!!! I SAID REWORK. Also, I played 12 seasons of competitive as a hardstuck diamond support main. You don't need to tell me how rough it is.
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Macaluso posted:Adding in more supports (which yes they should do) and making them all really fun to play (which also yeah) will not make people play supports more. Healing is just straight up a role most people do not want to do FWIW it's not the "healing" part that people don't want to do, it's the difference between the complexity and reward of landing a good shot and the absolute inanity of linking up a heal beam. Ana for instance is fairly fun, and the main frustration comes from the giant friendy-heal hitboxes blocking most kinds of playmaking as well as enforcing a skill floor no matter how badly you suck. And Mercy is the opposite extreme, where interacting with the game, at least for the healing mechanic, is more of a repetitive chore than really cognitively involved.
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Imagine a role so depressing that after six years the developers only could come up with seven characters.
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You're poo poo at the game if you think that's all there is to Mercy. I'm bad and peaked at 2550 Mercy and she is not "just connecting beams". I can't imagine how hard it is to play her in Diamond etc God this thread sucks lmao. Go play Halo or CoD or some poo poo
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Moth Mercy was lol but they gave her a ton of air control when they reworked her and a good Mercy will be juking nerds for days
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Good Will Hrunting posted:You're poo poo at the game if you think that's all there is to Mercy. I'm bad and peaked at 2550 Mercy and she is not "just connecting beams". I can't imagine how hard it is to play her in Diamond etc No Wave fucked around with this message at 18:31 on May 4, 2022 |
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Mercy can be fun, but only with a team that isn't absolute dogshit. Going full Reddit Mercy and using her ult to fly into backlines to get a few picks is incredibly satisfying, but it also pisses off your team because you're not locked to a tank/Pharah/Soldier's rear end holding down one mouse button. A good Mercy uses her gun, but DPS players can only conceive of her being a healbot and thus don't really understand how to play her or why anyone might enjoy playing her. She's not my cup of tea personally, but I'll still switch to her in a pinch, and she sometimes feels rewarding to play. On the other hand, Lucio and Moira are real fun support characters because even if you took away their healing they still have fun mechanics. Moira is doing hella DPS and healing in the beta right now, it's just too bad her auto-aim beam mechanic feels kinda lame and cheaty. Lucio will never not be amazing though, his ability to peel whilst also being an incredible nuisance and sometimes off-tank makes him spectacularly enjoyable. If you don't get a "high" by saving 2 teammates who were about to get wrecked one second, and then booping two enemies off the map another before cornering and absolutely destroying a Widow just for the hell of it, I don't know what to tell you. kedo fucked around with this message at 18:42 on May 4, 2022 |
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teagone posted:I liked when Symm could apply shields. 1. that rules nice play 2. WTF was gong in in chat???
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Idiot Doom Spiral posted:And Mercy is the opposite extreme, where interacting with the game, at least for the healing mechanic, is more of a repetitive chore than really cognitively involved. Good triage a thing, noob. Also juking fools with GA is the best. No other PvP game has given me the feeling of basically saying "peace bitches" as I GA away from harm and fly up looking down at them lol.
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I play this game very casually with friends who are a lot more into it. I love playing support. Even as healbot Mercy it's fun to hang out with my friends, call things out and generally have a good time together, or share a bad time if we're losing horribly again. I would probably not enjoy playing Mercy by myself with random people, but I'd also never play this game by myself with random people at all. Overwatch is the only FPS I can stand to play with them because I am not good at shooting things, and I don't really care to get good at shooting things. I've actually been really happy with how much variety there is in character selection. It's nice to feel like there's characters for your playstyle when you're not a hardcore FPS fan. Sounds like things are being rebalanced to gently caress over people like me at the behest of the more hardcore player base. Oh well. I imagine people like me aren't going to be the loudest voices when there are balance issues.
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