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I too avoid committing too many braincells to remembering names of people I don't like tbh
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His name is Keith
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May 5, 2022 08:42
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Just found out that my brother in law is a paper candidate for the tories. What a dick lol.
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What's some good reading for a basic overview of Marxism and how it can be applied to our contemporary society? It's struck me that while I instinctively support the left, I'd struggle to put forward a coherent framework as to why I do, if asked.
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May 5, 2022 08:58
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Gonzo McFee posted:A law written purely to gently caress over Tony Blair's War criminal PR firm. A good law.
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Pistol_Pete posted:What's some good reading for a basic overview of Marxism and how it can be applied to our contemporary society? It's struck me that while I instinctively support the left, I'd struggle to put forward a coherent framework as to why I do, if asked. Before people start recommending Kapital Vol 1, I would say Socialism by Michael Harrington, or The Socialist Manifesto by Bhaskar Sunkara for an easy primer E: and we would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you left-wing legal eagles  https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1521966292990935042?t=vYmofmsezayKOCkJXt9IUw&s=19 Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 09:21 on May 5, 2022 |
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May 5, 2022 09:03
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I was going to say Das Kapital but only as a joke, it'd be a terrible primer
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May 5, 2022 09:47
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Pistol_Pete posted:What's some good reading for a basic overview of Marxism and how it can be applied to our contemporary society? It's struck me that while I instinctively support the left, I'd struggle to put forward a coherent framework as to why I do, if asked. Verso Books has 40% off everything right now, and they also have a students’ list for intro to (leftist) political philosophy. There’s a bunch of good stuff in there, which is where I would start.
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May 5, 2022 09:49
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Liberty has a petition out demanding alternatives to policing running, with about the closest to a firm position I've seen on any recent non-anarchist UK take on that. It'd be nice if it took off just to show that there is popular demand for an alternative to "we don't talk any nonsense about defunding the pulis 30 million porm hubs" from egg cooker.
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May 5, 2022 09:59
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On hols in Scotland this week, my guidebook suggests visiting Keith via Dufftown
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May 5, 2022 10:01
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Marmaduke! posted:On hols in Scotland this week, my guidebook suggests visiting Keith via Dufftown If the weather is nice I recommend heading to the beach at Findhorn. There's also a big pictish megalith up by Kinloss if you like old things.
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May 5, 2022 10:04
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keep punching joe posted:If the weather is nice I recommend heading to the beach at Findhorn. There's also a big pictish megalith up by Kinloss if you like old things. The big megalith is in Forres, Sueno's Stone. Deffo worth a look, thing is impressive. Used to pass it daily on the bus, over 6m tall IIRC. Both Inverness & Elgin museums have collections of smaller Pictish stones. And Inverness museum also has a stuffed Puma that was found wild somewhere in the Highlands in the early 80s, which is the thing I remember the most from childhood visits Findhorn is lovely, especially if you manage a rare day with little wind. Marmaduke! posted:On hols in Scotland this week, my guidebook suggests visiting Keith via Dufftown The best thing about Keith is the accent. The only good thing in fact.
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forkboy84 posted:The best thing about Keith is the accent. crispix posted:wuruwruruwhg i buluv in bulding a buttah brutan for hardworkingfumily brutush pupal auruarghhg
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May 5, 2022 10:18
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Get some butteries and wash them down with a cool refreshing Moray Cup.
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May 5, 2022 10:21
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Really good that Labour is bringing former Tory front bench ministers back into the fold. https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1522130462239563776?s=20
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I hope that's a special treat from Moray and not a cup of snapping eels. I'll definitely try a buttery or three though thanks!
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I think "how Marxism can be applied to our contemporary society" is a very difficult question, what with post-industrial society not existing in Marx's time. I reckon that attempting to force modern society into a framework into which it doesn't fit is what leads to class reductionism, so you've got all those weirdo old school tankies going around claiming that various progressive causes are a distraction from the class war or w/e & generally getting on everybody's tits. I'm sure a lot of people have written about it, I'd just be vary wary of anyone claiming to have the answer, since it's a very tough question. Was mulling that theory I posited a while ago about how class these days might be better understood as a person's relationship with the state rather than capital, & it occurred to me that that framework might be able to explain the rise of identity politics, since the state is much more concerned with interfering in people's private business than capital is, meaning that modern "class struggles" are more likely to be between collectives based on race/gender/sexuality & the state than between two distinct economic classes. I still have no idea if you could derive a useful analytic framework from it, it's just an example of something that's difficult to fit within an orthodox Marxist analysis without reasoning backwards/class reductionism
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Marmaduke! posted:I hope that's a special treat from Moray and not a cup of snapping eels. I'll definitely try a buttery or three though thanks! I think a Moray is when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
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Pistol_Pete posted:What's some good reading for a basic overview of Marxism and how it can be applied to our contemporary society? It's struck me that while I instinctively support the left, I'd struggle to put forward a coherent framework as to why I do, if asked. I still think the communist manifesto is quite good, it resonated with me a lot when I read it, also recommend just an overview of the labour theory of value, which I find a compelling way to look at work. I agree with borrovan that his specific notions of class and how society is stratified are a bit blurrier these days because society is different now, but I think reading them can give you Ideas about how that sort of thinking can fit into your own understanding of the world, it's mostly good for sharpening the latent antagonism you probably feel towards some of the relationships in your life, into something you can more coherently describe why. If it doesn't exactly fit then that's because it probably shouldn't, but I think there will be places where it really seems like it puts words to something you already kind of feel. Feel free also to skip the bit at the end where he spends a few pages whingeing about other defunct left wing political organizations because 1. that's your job and 2. nobody knows who any of them are any more unless you're a massive nerd. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 10:45 on May 5, 2022 |
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Yeah but the manifesto itself is just a smol bean, a little pamphlet, definitely required reading but not really sufficient in the modern context
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Failed Imagineer posted:Yeah but the manifesto itself is just a smol bean, a little pamphlet, definitely required reading but not really sufficient in the modern context Oh sure but that's why I recommend it, it's small and you can see if you like the sound of it. I guess otherwise richard wolff has his lectures on LTV on youtube, those are pretty good and he is a good speaker, wonderful accent, puts me in mind of columbo telling you why your boss is a poo poo.
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forkboy84 posted:I was going to say Das Kapital but only as a joke, it'd be a terrible primer The Communist Manifesto is a) short and b) a good read, though. Edit: as just discussed! but like add my +1 I guess. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 10:51 on May 5, 2022 |
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May 5, 2022 10:46
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There's a gap in the market for one of you to organise a Starmer-based pub crawl https://twitter.com/shockproofbeats/status/1522148444978176000?t=Kck1bdG-Gtw0TQrUAmamPg&s=19 Lookit that little Starmermoji tho 
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May 5, 2022 10:51
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Where the gently caress are my artists renditions of Starmers Durham Beer Fortress
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I would not eat at an establishment called The Food Pit.
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Marmaduke! posted:I hope that's a special treat from Moray and not a cup of snapping eels. I'll definitely try a buttery or three though thanks! Moray Cup is a fruit-flavoured soft drink made by Sangs of Banff that can still be obtained if you know where to look. E: it may have been discontinued - a search has found campaigns to bring it back.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Lookit that little Starmermoji tho It definintely captures his essence.
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The Water House sounds like a euphemism for a shitter. The Bishops' Mill sounds like a euphemism for a wank.
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May 5, 2022 10:56
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Several MPs accused of cranking the bishops' mill in the Commons water house.
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Jedit posted:E: it may have been discontinued - a search has found campaigns to bring it back. I think a Dutch company has bought over Sangs now, which is pretty fitting given the... eh racially charged branding on the label.
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Guavanaut posted:The Water House sounds like a euphemism for a shitter. Money on it's a converted public toilets fake edit: oh it's a spoons, so it still is
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They should have fully leaned into the 'all publicity is good publicity' and called one The Piss Dungeon.
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So is anyone actually voting today?
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I'll be voting (ld candidate seems sound at least, so will rank above whatever scotlab drones are on the list).
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Yea, the most useful application of Marxism to modern society is labour value - roughly, that all work requires labour to produce value, and the difference between the remuneration labour recieves and the value they create is surplus value that capitalists suck up. Labour wouldn't be paid to do things that are not profitable. Capital is the machines, software, knowledge that makes a inderviduals labour more valueable in terms of output-per-hour. Capitalism says it needs to steal your surplus value, because capitalists need it to reinvest in more capital which will produce more things, therefore making everyone's quality of life better. And the luxurious excess of the capitalist class? Well that's just their reward for the very hard labour of investing in the economy, and the profit motive is very important in making sure they do their jobs properly as a class rather than sitting around like nobility used to (please ignore landlords, rent seeking etc). Obviously this is all bullshit, as seen by the fact governments exist and do equal feats of investment in the future. Plenty of examples here, from the Soviet Union till the 60s, the war economies of WW2, or modern megacorperations operations lead by salaried middle management. The use of surplus value of labour for the public good does not require Capitalism in the slightest So, if the whims of capitalists don't get to decide how the surplus value of labour is used and distributed, who does? This is where various different schools of socalist and communist thought come in, from anarchists arguing for very decentralised approaches, more traditional socalist democrat approaches that want elected governments to do it, to Leninist approaches of "Vanguard party siezes control and acts for the Good of the People". But the fundmental question is what levels of extraction of peoples surplus labour is morally acceptable, and who and how should it be allocated for the public good. Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 11:40 on May 5, 2022 |
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Also to be clear before ronya posts a million word argument about LTV being bad, I don't think it accurately describes quantitiative differences of value in society, because many things that require a lot of labour are valued very poorly in society, but I think it is a good framework from the worker's perspective for how we should value things, it works as a moral description rather than as an economic one.
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stev posted:So is anyone actually voting today? I spoiled my ballot if that counts as voting. VVV I'd have voted TUSC but they didn't stand a candidate this time.
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stev posted:So is anyone actually voting today? Hoping for some comedy tomorrow but honestly I expect it to be boring poo poo
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Jedit posted:Moray Cup is a fruit-flavoured soft drink made by Sangs of Banff that can still be obtained if you know where to look. I used to get a few bottles of "the cup" whenever I was up on Speyside drinking whisky. Sadly it's been gone 4 or 5 years now I think, Costcutters in Dufftown was the last place I saw it. The label was interesting.
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