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keep punching joe posted:I'll be voting (ld candidate seems sound at least, so will rank above whatever scotlab drones are on the list). I think I will end up voting SNP 1, Labour 2, Alba 3 (my mam worked with the candidate and vouches for her not being the regressive freak so many of them are), Liberals 4, independent 5, and then refusing to vote for the other independent who has no information available online on them, and the Tory. The one independent I'll rank below the Lib Dem just seems very "me, me, me" from what I've found, distasteful. Honestly, choices loving suck, lol at the Labour candidate being the 2nd best choice. He does benefit from the fact I worked with him for a while, though he's binned his dreadlocks sadly
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keep punching joe posted:I'll be voting (ld candidate seems sound at least, so will rank above whatever scotlab drones are on the list). Lib Dems are cool again because Kieth Steamer told me they're going to legalise drugs and ban nukes
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May 5, 2022 12:05
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May 5, 2022 12:14
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The only options in my ward are Tory and Lib Dem. I might actually vote lib dem just to spite the Tories, or I might just write JEREMY CORBYN on my ballot
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May 5, 2022 12:14
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keep punching joe posted:Get some butteries and wash them down with a cool refreshing Moray Cup. Bobby Deluxe posted:s spectre is haunting margerine — the spectre of butter. all the powers of old europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: pope and tsar, metternich and guizot, french radicals and german police-spies
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May 5, 2022 12:15
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SixFigureSandwich posted:The only options in my ward are Tory and Lib Dem. I might actually vote lib dem just to spite the Tories, or I might just write JEREMY CORBYN on my ballot a vote is only ever a vote for, never against don't vote for that which you do not want
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May 5, 2022 12:16
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Keith is the political equivalent of a Funko Pop I will not elaborate
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May 5, 2022 12:19
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One of my friends got strongarmed into standing for the Greens so I'm going to vote for her. She is desperately hoping she won't win lol.
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May 5, 2022 12:21
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In spite of my previous thoughts on spoiling my ballot, I have had a change of heart, and after a good long think on the democratic process and it's importance in all our lives I'm just gonna sack it off entirely, and I'm gonna have a big bowl of homemade veggie soup with some crusty cheesy bread instead
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May 5, 2022 12:22
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I'm not voting today. My local elections were in 2019, under Corbs. Either way now I'm back in work it's time for my yearly tradition of being locked in a computer room all day while an election is going on so I can only occasionally check what's happening if at all.
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May 5, 2022 12:30
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I'm going to vote in a bit. I'll vote for the labour person because (a) it's the locals (b) I know her and while I'm not particularly keen on her as a private individual, she is quite pink and if we can start to turn the true blue county council red, that would be good. My choice here is 1 Lab, 1 Tory, 1 Independent (who looks exactly like a tory). If there had been a plaid, I might have done that instead but there isn't.
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May 5, 2022 12:35
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Barry Foster posted:a vote is only ever a vote for, never against It was for PCC & they were literally the only candidate who said that maybe it was bad for police to do racisms and suppress protests. Think that counts as a vote against (police). That was the first time I ever voted not-Labour, & I voted for 4 separate parties lmao.
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May 5, 2022 12:36
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This seems bad, to me. https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1522169500417904641?s=20
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May 5, 2022 12:37
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Mine's a tory safe seat with labour like forty points behind. I'll chuck a vote to the greens, though we don't see eye to eye on everything.
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May 5, 2022 12:38
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peanut- posted:This seems bad, to me. gently caress, signing the papers on my mortgage switch next week, hope I can get in before the rates get hiked in response
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May 5, 2022 12:39
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https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1522179177369280513?t=oqhENvHvUj3xW9YtIiMOGA&s=19 CON+20
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May 5, 2022 12:40
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There is no loving way BoE put out an announcement like that on an election day by coincidence
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May 5, 2022 12:44
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Didn't he say he was going to trigger a recession to keep inflation low or something? The bank of england guy that is.
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May 5, 2022 12:53
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Higher interest rates are also bad for landlords and accumulators of capital, so it's not all bad.
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May 5, 2022 13:03
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OwlFancier posted:Didn't he say he was going to trigger a recession to keep inflation low or something? Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/philbc3/status/1520850026204909576?s=21&t=s97pHUEyJ5D0VHbQLhDPWA Unrelated, just saw this: Graun posted:Tory peer and elections expert Robert Hayward said postal vote returns were down “quite markedly” compared with 2018. He added: “My expectation is therefore that turnout will be hard pushed to reach 30% in 2022.
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May 5, 2022 13:03
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It's not a recession, it's growth in the other direction.
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May 5, 2022 13:04
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Hey I remember interest rates. Kids, back in my day “interest” was something you could earn from the bank in return for letting them hold onto your money. You’d put your savings in an account and get a little bit of extra money every month! Oh, of course — “savings” were what we called the money left over from your wages after you paid the rent and bought groceries. I know, right? But it’s true!
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May 5, 2022 13:12
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Higher interest rates are also bad for landlords and accumulators of capital, so it's not all bad.
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May 5, 2022 13:12
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No we established earlier that we have the bishop's mill to crank.
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it’s amazing that’s it’s a recession caused by supply issues, to which the government are going to hike rates to drive down demand ie make everyone unemployed so they can’t afford anything it’s going to be interesting how the true blue tories are going to react if they haven’t fixed their mortgage repayments though
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May 5, 2022 13:23
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I'm sure this comes up every time a polling station opens, but what's the deal with the clipboard rosette brigade who accost you and ask who you voted for when you try to go in? Is it exit polls or turnout metrics or something?
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May 5, 2022 13:26
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kecske posted:I'm sure this comes up every time a polling station opens, but what's the deal with the clipboard rosette brigade who accost you and ask who you voted for when you try to go in? Is it exit polls or turnout metrics or something? Exit polls. They get the metrics formally later but the polls can be useful in the short term. I don’t think they’re allowed to ask outright now, but they can give you a piece of paper and ask you if you would tick how you voted.
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May 5, 2022 13:28
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So of course you should always lie, just to annoy them.
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May 5, 2022 13:31
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https://twitter.com/healthandthings/status/1522142691978620928?s=20&t=AJFruQZMtgV7CBGcQt3sOg bit too on the nose reality
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Jel Shaker posted:it’s amazing that’s it’s a recession caused by supply issues, to which the government are going to hike rates to drive down demand ie make everyone unemployed so they can’t afford anything
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Necrothatcher posted:https://twitter.com/healthandthings/status/1522142691978620928?s=20&t=AJFruQZMtgV7CBGcQt3sOg I'm convinced that British Alba reply account is run by a 24/7 team
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"The computer said no." https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1522162594899009538
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Borrovan posted:I think "how Marxism can be applied to our contemporary society" is a very difficult question, what with post-industrial society not existing in Marx's time. I reckon that attempting to force modern society into a framework into which it doesn't fit is what leads to class reductionism, so you've got all those weirdo old school tankies going around claiming that various progressive causes are a distraction from the class war or w/e & generally getting on everybody's tits. I'm sure a lot of people have written about it, I'd just be vary wary of anyone claiming to have the answer, since it's a very tough question. This is anarchism not Marxism. You can separate the thinking by asking why the state does what it does - either it's an independent source of oppression and so you're an anarchist railing against the concept of the state or it's an instrument of class rule and you're a Marxist railing against the ruling class and wanting to seize state power to destroy capitalism. OwlFancier posted:Also to be clear before ronya posts a million word argument about LTV being bad, I don't think it accurately describes quantitiative differences of value in society, because many things that require a lot of labour are valued very poorly in society, but I think it is a good framework from the worker's perspective for how we should value things, it works as a moral description rather than as an economic one. Nah not all labour produces value, only the kinds and levels of labour that are socially necessary, that's the key to Marxist LTV. Purely looking at hours spent or technical efficiency is missing the point that they enter a market and are either sold or not sold - both parts are key to saying what value is produced. It's a better system for determining prices than alternatives and offers an explanation for capitalist crisis that isn't just saying something outside the economy happened and the economy went bad.
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Honestly the answer is that they don't factor the poor into their decisions at all. To the point that if everyone earning under 30k died of starvation they wouldn't notice until things like waiters and cleaners stopped existing and they suddenly found there was nobody under them doing any actual work to exploit. They're really not that bright, ideology blinds them from being economically effective 90% of the time.
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namesake posted:Nah not all labour produces value, only the kinds and levels of labour that are socially necessary, that's the key to Marxist LTV. Purely looking at hours spent or technical efficiency is missing the point that they enter a market and are either sold or not sold - both parts are key to saying what value is produced. It's a better system for determining prices than alternatives and offers an explanation for capitalist crisis that isn't just saying something outside the economy happened and the economy went bad. I feel like that runs into issues when CEO labour is absurdly paid but is clearly much easier than a normal job for minimum wage? Prices don't line up with socially necessary labour time, so LTV doesn't accurately describe the value placed on labour in our currently existing society, but I agree that it should or at least that it is a better moral approximation for the value of labour.
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Barry Foster posted:not votin' today lol Same. Not that they need my vote in East London anyway.
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Red Oktober posted:Exit polls. They get the metrics formally later but the polls can be useful in the short term. It's not an exit poll, it's a "teller". They really shouldn't be asking you who you voted for as the electoral commission states "Tellers should concern themselves only with checking who is about to vote or has voted." It's for tracking turnout to try and direct GOTV efforts, although in reality this information is pretty useless in most cases.
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namesake posted:This is anarchism not Marxism. You can separate the thinking by asking why the state does what it does - either it's an independent source of oppression and so you're an anarchist railing against the concept of the state or it's an instrument of class rule and you're a Marxist railing against the ruling class and wanting to seize state power to destroy capitalism. That's not to say that both frameworks don't still have specific applications, there's just a real danger in overstretching them & trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
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namesake posted:This is anarchism not Marxism. You can separate the thinking by asking why the state does what it does - either it's an independent source of oppression and so you're an anarchist railing against the concept of the state or it's an instrument of class rule and you're a Marxist railing against the ruling class and wanting to seize state power to destroy capitalism. I would generally say that it's an instrument of class rule but because of that, it is shaped like the class that has held it up until this point and shapes in turn, people who are inserted into it into the thought patterns of that class and affords them power in a similar manner to that class, especially given its role as the enforcer of class oppression though the law and the army and the cops etc, it is not independent of class but it has institutional character which means that merely seizing it can easily end up with it filling a power vacuum left by the elimination of the bourgeoisie and becoming the primary oppressor, because even if the bourgeoisie were gone, without changing the nature of the state you have simply put new people into a position where they now have authority over the enforcement mechanisms built under and for capitalism, and must trust that they do not use them in the same manner. Which I think marx might also have been getting at because he also wrote later on that you can't simply seize the ready made apparatus of the state, it has instead to be smashed and replaced with something new. I think that's a quite good idea to have looking at previous attempts to take control of the state and use it for good purposes. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 13:59 on May 5, 2022 |
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like that runs into issues when CEO labour is absurdly paid but is clearly much easier than a normal job for minimum wage?
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