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Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

what is it about screenshot lps that turn people into goddamn precognitives? They're already predicting that Roland is the Black Silence!

# ? May 1, 2022 23:28

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# ? May 26, 2024 01:51

GilliamYaeger: Jan 10, 2012; Call Gespenst!

Junpei posted:

what is it about screenshot lps that turn people into goddamn precognitives? They're already predicting that Roland is the Black Silence!

Everyone was predicting he was the Black Silence when we got here in Early Access. The real twist is that he isn't the Black Silence, and actually was just the Grade 1 Fixer support to the real Black Silence.

# ? May 1, 2022 23:51

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

I guess that's fair but I am referring more broadly-I've seen people in plenty of LPs of games in the Danganronpa/Zero Escape bent that had people predicting twists correctly super early.

I guess it's just a function of a slow update schedule meaning you have more time to pore over things and compare stuff.

# ? May 2, 2022 00:14

BisbyWorl: Jan 12, 2019; Knowledge is pain plus observation.

Junpei posted:

I guess that's fair but I am referring more broadly-I've seen people in plenty of LPs of games in the Danganronpa/Zero Escape bent that had people predicting twists correctly super early.

I guess it's just a function of a slow update schedule meaning you have more time to pore over things and compare stuff.

The time bit is key here.

For a casual player, something like all three Yun's Office fights takes, what, an hour? If that?

The LP started Yun 1 on Aug 30, and finished Yun 3 on Sept 10. So that gave the thread close to two full weeks to pick through everything with a fine tooth comb, making it easy to notice all the little bits of foreshadowing.

# ? May 2, 2022 06:50

DTaeKim: Aug 16, 2009

Aside from the artbook, I don't remember much in-game evidence that suggested Angelica was the actual Black Silence. Would it be inference based off Roland's deck?

# ? May 2, 2022 10:28

SITB: Nov 3, 2012

Well (endgame spoilers obviously), no one who knows of Roland real identity, namely Argalia and Olivier, ever referred to him as the Black Silence; they only talked about the gloves of the Black Silence and per all the artwork we have seen Angelica was the one who owned the gloves in the first place. Also in Roland's Black Silence boss fight during the third phase Angelica's shade is the one that using all the Black Silence cards like Allas Workshop while Roland uses combo pages.

# ? May 2, 2022 12:28

A jargogle: Feb 22, 2011

I have a notion that it was also confirmed specifically by the creators at some point but can't cite the example.

# ? May 2, 2022 13:00

TeeQueue: Oct 9, 2012; The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.

It's confirmed in the artbook, yes.

They also confirmed that Angela stopped caring about it entirely and decided it didn't matter, so it never came up.

# ? May 2, 2022 13:05

Solitair: Feb 18, 2014; TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

Somehow I never realized that you can target Little Red/Crimson Scar instead of the wolf until just now. I'll probably have to do that for Gebura's realization.

# ? May 2, 2022 18:30

Arcvasti: Jun 12, 2019; Never trust a bird.

Loxo321 posted:

Degraded Lock is not all that useful if I'm going to be honest here. It's just a Chain that hits a bit harder with an extra speed dice, but costs up-front more light even if on net it costs the same. Its cost-raising ability is way less useful than the speed-dice breaking ability that Chain has. Lock's one good use is basically for the Kali fight to ruin her light economy whenever she uses Vertical Split or Horizontal Split and that's about it.

You can also use it against the Purple Tear! She has a special version of Shimmering that fully restores Light every turn and makes card draw moot, but doesn't reduce the cost of her pages to 0. So, if you use it on her before her Mass Attack turn, then she'll have 2 less Light to work with that turn.

# ? May 2, 2022 19:38

kvx687: Dec 29, 2009; Soiled Meat

Quick mechanics check: If I have a card that reduces cost on play like Binding Arms, that only affects that specific copy used? It looks like Happy Memories applies that effect to every copy of the chosen card instead but that ability is worded differently.

# ? May 2, 2022 23:37

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Loxo321 posted:

Binah's deck focuses a lot on utility and is one of my personal favorite decks to play around with, but it does suffer some light issues for reasons I'll discuss later:

Degraded Pillar is an excellent card for shutting down big single die pages like Xiao's Jin Ni, Yan's Giant Fist, Hana Assoc's Celestial Spear, Roland's Furioso, etc.
Degraded Chain is similarly a useful card against bosses with Shimmering with its speed dice breaking. In battles like Hana Association, you can always use two of these on a single enemy to basically immobilize them for a turn which can be pretty useful.
Degraded Lock is not all that useful if I'm going to be honest here. It's just a Chain that hits a bit harder with an extra speed dice, but costs up-front more light even if on net it costs the same. Its cost-raising ability is way less useful than the speed-dice breaking ability that Chain has. Lock's one good use is basically for the Kali fight to ruin her light economy whenever she uses Vertical Split or Horizontal Split and that's about it.
Degraded Fairy is Binah's light-regen card and is pretty strong for a 1-cost (Mostly because of the broken status effect that is Fairy). The problem is that it's a 1-cost, which means that Binah needs to have some light reserved to use it, this can be sort of frustrating since Binah's passive makes it really tempting for you to spam all of her cards at once since she'll always draw until she has 4 cards in her hand anyways.
Degraded Shockwave has pretty bad rolls for a Mass Attack. Its redeeming feature though is the party-wide 3 Protection it gives and the 1 Feeble it inflicts on the last dice, which makes it useful if you're expecting a huge Mass Attack coming up.

Passive-wise, Binah's deck is just begging you to attribute Empowered First Shot and Acrobatic for the ranged power boost and the ranged damage boost respectively. Other than those two passives, you're pretty much free to choose whatever passives you want for Binah as long as they don't rely on a gimmick like Smoke or Charge for obvious reasons.

Overall, Binah's deck lacks the unga bunga potential that Kali or Iori's page have, but makes up for it with its utility.

Roland, on the other hand, focuses on being spamming as many combat pages in a turn as possible.

Ranga Workshop is one of the two 0-cost combat pages in the entire game that uses 3 offensive combat dice and it doesn't completely wreck your action economy for the turn unlike Sword of Volition.
Zelkova Workshop has average rolls for a 0-cost, but does draw a page for Roland which is nice. The nice thing about both this page and Ranga is that their costs are fixed, which synergizes well with the Lies combat page.
Old Boys Workshop is Will of the City, but even better since it has a net +2 light regen, is cheaper, and has better rolls than WotC. Really, by itself, Old Boys should already solve all of Roland's resource problems, but we also have...
Mook Workshop, which is also another Will of the City, except with a single strong dice roll instead of two mediocre dice. Pretty good also for countering Ranged pages with multiple dice.
Allas Workshop and Wheels Industry both fulfill the same sort of niche of clash winning for Roland. Allas is obviously a bit more economical but Wheels Industry can basically shutdown an entire page which makes it pretty strong.
Durandal is an excellent setup page for Roland, giving Roland up to 2 Strength next scene while only being a 2-cost.
Crystal Atelier will beat out most Mass Attacks and will help Roland recover his stagger pretty quickly. It also has a counter dice which is nice though how useful the counter dice actually ends up being is very much an RNG thing most of the time.
Atelier Workshop... exists? It's a ranged page with some pretty strong rolls so its useful if you have an enemy low on stagger that you need to stagger ASAP but other than that, there's nothing really notable about it.
Furioso is the premier "screw you, you're dying or otherwise becoming crippled next turn one way or another" card. It's an excellent card to use and very cheap given all the debuffs it inflicts and its cheap power. The 9-page gimmick requirement isn't nearly as bad as it initially seems because Roland's kit is already geared towards spamming all of his pages over and over again.

Passive-wise, Grace of the Prescript is an excellent choice since Roland's combat pages are all over the place damage type wise. Raging Torrent and Blade Unlocked are also very good choices since Roland's deck is Singleton and he already wants to use as many different pages as possible to get Furioso prepped up and ready.

Really, Roland's true crime is the fact that you don't even get a chance to use him once you get him outside of his duel against Argalia unless you're planning on going back to previous receptions for one reason or another.

He's not really all that useful for farming pages compared to say Gebura, but it is pretty funny when Iori beams away to his floor.

# ? May 3, 2022 00:02

habituallyred: Feb 6, 2015

Now I am mad Imdiot will never get to use my Sword of Volition deck:

3 Sword of Volition
3 Pinpoint Strike (0 cost that draws all copies of itself)
3 of some other 0 cost thing + or - some big dumb card to block mass attacks with

Oswald's page
Attribute Grace of the Prescript and stuff that keys off of winning clashes
(rejected concept: attribute the ammunition ability and shoot those off)

fin

# ? May 3, 2022 09:21

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

I was a little confused on which of "Eat the Rich" vs "Co-dependency" was Circus and which was Smiling Faces but then I remembered "Oh right, the Smiling Faces are cannibals" because I was anticipating SF to be a weed joke + I thought 'eat the rich' was a reference to Noah's weird pride/issue with not asking Emma to help him out.

# ? May 3, 2022 20:41

MetaMeme: Apr 30, 2017; You may boorishly refer to it as "Pickpocketing", but I prefer "Urban Foraging".

kvx687 posted:

Quick mechanics check: If I have a card that reduces cost on play like Binding Arms, that only affects that specific copy used? It looks like Happy Memories applies that effect to every copy of the chosen card instead but that ability is worded differently.

Binding Arms only affects the individual card, which is why Bono of U2 fame has to cheat by having an illegally sized deck.

# ? May 4, 2022 05:02

CHiRAL: Mar 29, 2010; Anus.

Junpei posted:

I was a little confused on which of "Eat the Rich" vs "Co-dependency" was Circus and which was Smiling Faces but then I remembered "Oh right, the Smiling Faces are cannibals" because I was anticipating SF to be a weed joke + I thought 'eat the rich' was a reference to Noah's weird pride/issue with not asking Emma to help him out.

I thought it was the train because of what happens to first class but I forgot the order of receptions a long time ago so who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

# ? May 4, 2022 09:28

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

Limbus Company Twitter dropped a few bits of art here and there.

https://twitter.com/LiberareLimbus/status/1521842123469094913

https://twitter.com/LiberareLimbus/status/1521846208796708864

https://twitter.com/LiberareLimbus/status/1521852504950325248

# ? May 5, 2022 04:54

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

Are Red Riding Hood and Servant of Wrath (and their Roland rematches) considered the most BS parts of Ruina because of the whole "You gotta let the NPC you can't control get the final blow" thing?

# ? May 6, 2022 07:27

TeeQueue: Oct 9, 2012; The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.

Escort missions universally suck, and Ruina is no different.

# ? May 6, 2022 07:31

GilliamYaeger: Jan 10, 2012; Call Gespenst!

Junpei posted:

Are Red Riding Hood and Servant of Wrath (and their Roland rematches) considered the most BS parts of Ruina because of the whole "You gotta let the NPC you can't control get the final blow" thing?

Yes. It's why I always wait until Red Mist+Myo to even touch Geb's floor.

# ? May 6, 2022 07:38

TeeQueue: Oct 9, 2012; The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.

GilliamYaeger posted:

Yes. It's why I always wait until Red Mist+Myo to even touch Geb's floor.

I did red merc on release while everyone was struggling with her, and 1st tried it by just kinda' eyeballing HP levels.

Then on the realization I just went in ready and expecting to fight the merc after killing the wolf, but she just kinda murdered it again.

I've never had actual trouble with red riding hood and it's kind of hilarious.

# ? May 6, 2022 07:40

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

Anyway, I'm excited for the info dropping tomorrow on Limbus!

# ? May 6, 2022 07:55

CHiRAL: Mar 29, 2010; Anus.

I believe you can straight up murder the realization version directly

# ? May 6, 2022 08:00

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

I remember hearing that if you accidentally kill the Hermit you don't lose automatically, you just gotta kill the Servant and it'll count as a win.

# ? May 6, 2022 08:04

PlasticAutomaton: Nov 12, 2016; Artoria Pendonut

Junpei posted:

I remember hearing that if you accidentally kill the Hermit you don't lose automatically, you just gotta kill the Servant and it'll count as a win.

That is in fact, completely wrong. Killing the Hermit was in fact an auto loss. Now you can't actually kill the Hermit and death blows will just refill its health.

# ? May 6, 2022 08:10

Reiterpallasch: Nov 3, 2010; Fun Shoe

Little Red in the Gebura realization was the single hardest fight in the game for me.

# ? May 6, 2022 09:12

BisbyWorl: Jan 12, 2019; Knowledge is pain plus observation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEJfLhJ4xOA

Limbus info in 5 minutes.

# ? May 6, 2022 10:26

GilliamYaeger: Jan 10, 2012; Call Gespenst!

Summary of gameplay:

You've got five party members in the front actually fighting, and seven in the back providing support. All contribute their own passives to the team, with differing resource requirements to activate them. Each Identity has its own set of attacks and its own passive. Turn to turn gameplay is matching colors/types/what have you in order to generate resources and hit harder, with matching three giving you the best results. Actual meat of the gameplay is in strategic decisions - each turn you generate resources which activate the twelve passives as you meet their requirements. However, you can also spend those resources to activate EGO, which like in Ruina is a single big attack that also gives a buff to the user, but by spending resources you can potentially deactivate your passives by going below their requirements. If you activate EGO while a characters sanity is low they have a chance to use a corrupted version of the EGO and go berserk.

# ? May 6, 2022 10:59

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

-You start with a party of 5, and one new party member hops in every turn.
-Every character has a set 'deck' of skills, which come in various colors. You have a hand size of 2, but you can always see the 'top card of the draw'.
-Everyone rolls speed like in Ruina, but instead of multiple slots you can point, you just go in order from highest to lowest. This also apparently affects who you target? I'm not sure.
-You get bonuses for using the same colored skill types in a turn, and a bigger bonus if you use 3 of the same colors in a row.
-When you use colors you get "elements". Passives only activate when you have a certain amount of specific types of 'elements'. Using an E.G.O. costs certain 'elements', which can turn off passives, so you need to weigh immediate power vs keeping passives online.
-Slash/Pierce/Blunt and Block/Dodge/Counter are returning.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:00

GilliamYaeger: Jan 10, 2012; Call Gespenst!

Junpei posted:

-You start with a party of 5, and one new party member hops in every turn.

Correction: Characters get an extra speed dice equivalent every turn, you don't get an extra party member jumping in.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:04

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

Ah thank you for correcting my faulty assumption there.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:10

BisbyWorl: Jan 12, 2019; Knowledge is pain plus observation.

Stagger is also tied to specific HP thresholds, rather than having a dedicated bar like Ruina.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:10

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmHjUyfk4bs

Demonstration of the combat, with no explanatory subtitles, just (probably still somewhat in beta) gameplay.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:16

Probe 17: Jul 27, 2014; Red Rain is coming down

Red Rain

Looks like every attack just hits once rather than the various dice of attack pages in Ruina, too. Saw a "Taunted" status effect in the mix, there.

Likewise, glad to see my theory about Electro-Cerberus being a new Abnormality appears to have been confirmed by that pseudo-Blue Scar E.G.O. towards the end.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:24

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

Who is the fifth fighter? some sort of Yi Sang, WARP Crew Faust, WARP Crew Don Quixote, Kurokumo Clan Rodion, but is the last one Heathcliff or Gregor?

I saw "Gain Charge" in the English section of the demonstration, as well as "Inflict Shock", which may just be renamed Paralysis. Plus one of Don's attacks was called Rip Space, so we'll probably see a few attacks returning from Ruina, and not just the EGOs.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:28

TeeQueue: Oct 9, 2012; The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.

Junpei posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmHjUyfk4bs

Demonstration of the combat, with no explanatory subtitles, just (probably still somewhat in beta) gameplay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmHjUyfk4bs&t=321s

If you start partway through, the EN subtitles are there.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:30

GilliamYaeger: Jan 10, 2012; Call Gespenst!

TeeQueue posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmHjUyfk4bs&t=321s

If you start partway through, the EN subtitles are there.

I see bleed and charge effects on those cards. Yep, it's simplified Ruina alright. Very nice.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:44

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

The electric beast EGO is apparently named Telepole. Or... something to that effect. Tele/Tela-something. It's blurry and hard to make out.

# ? May 6, 2022 11:47

Probe 17: Jul 27, 2014; Red Rain is coming down

Red Rain

"Fluid Sac" appears to be a completely new E.G.O. as well. Judging from the backgrounds that appear when it's used, likely related to some sort of aquatic and/or plant Abnormality?

# ? May 6, 2022 11:53

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# ? May 26, 2024 01:51

Junpei: Oct 4, 2015; Can't post for 11 years!

Someone in a Project Moon discord already managed to rip the art for those two, ignoring Yi Sang and Rodion's 4th Match Flame arts which we saw in part on the website.

This also confirms that it's Heathcliff.

edit:

Yi Sang 4MF:
[Area] [4 in Front]
[On Hit] Inflict 4 Burn next turn, Heal HP by 10% of target's lost HP

Rodion 4MF:
[On Hit] Inflict 10 Burn and 7 Fragile next turn

Heathcliff Telepole:
[Area] [3 in Back]
[On Hit] Inflict 5 Bleed and 5 Shock next turn

Faust Fluid Sac:
[Area] [6 in Front]
[On Hit] Heal HP and SP of all allies proportional to the Skill's power

Don Fluid Sac (only briefly rolled over in the English portion, used in the Japanese one):
[On Hit] Deal bonus damage based on target's Max HP proportional to the Skill's power

Junpei fucked around with this message at 12:23 on May 6, 2022

# ? May 6, 2022 11:55

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