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DrunkPanda posted:Their balance team is so stupid. They always nerf the hitscan heroes that require aim because "they are a little too strong". But they always leave these absolutely broken heroes that require no skill in an OP state You must love Moira
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Roadhog is bad in OW2 though? Although did the patch make him OP?
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It doesn't feel like he does as much damage, but he's a huge pain in the rear end to kill. Granted, all the tanks are a huge pain in the rear end to kill. I kinda wish they didn't go this whole super tank route and just left tanks as-is but removed all their goddamn shields. By making tanks way harder to kill, but also making DPS harder to kill because they're faster, and also making support harder to kill because they constantly regen, they just took OW1 and made the game more tedious. kedo fucked around with this message at 21:18 on May 9, 2022 |
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May 9, 2022 02:00
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If OW2 has any life left, PvE will absolutely find it. You don't have to look much farther then fighting games to see how important single player/players vs environment is to actually winning an audience. Mortal Kombat/Netherrealm Fighters are frequently talked about in most outside FG communities as somewhere between a joke and a curiosity. Their mechanics are usually seen as janky and broken, their non-cinematic animation is comedically terrible, and... they have also outsold every other fighting game franchise besides Smash Brothers by leagues because they are literally the only fighting game creator putting any effort anymore into single player content. The gulf between MK 10/MK 11/Injustice 2 and the next-closest best selling fighting game of the generation (Tekken 7) is almost double. People absolutely care about PvE content even in traditionally PvP genres. PvE in OW2 gonna lose some of that draw unless there's a really workable AI system because some of that comes from folks who just don't want to multiplayer at all, but there are many, many people who want to play games but don't want to play games against other people for whatever reason, even if they gotta play WITH others, especially if those can be with friends. If ActiBlizz wants to try and woo people back- or even to capture players who were interested in everything the actual game before- they absolutely need to hit a home run on their PvE modes.
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adhuin posted:gg ez I Hanjo.
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Wheeee posted:You must love Moira I don't know why you're bringing up Moira, you think she's OP?
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DrunkPanda posted:I don't know why you're bringing up Moira, you think she's OP? You complained about no-skill heroes that don’t have to aim 
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No, I was complaining about OP heroes that require no skill. I don't care if they require no skill if they are underpowered
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May 9, 2022 05:12
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Where is the overwatch movie
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Lotta projecting ITT i want to hear about mercy and pharah taking their child dva to mcdonalds
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here's the problems with overwatch league as i saw it: 1. league didn't play on current patch. if an update was pushed through, they kept the season on the old patch. these players are professionals. let them adjust mid-season. let us watch the meta unfold. let us try out strats they're using. 2. couldn't watch league games in client. the games are hard to follow, watching it on stream. allow us to watch them in client, both live and replays. this would be great for pub games as well. 3. casters and analysts were whatever. coming from dota 2, there are some huge personalities. all of the overwatch talent were super bland. these opinions are based off the first and part of second season. i only ever watched if i was hat collecting and 90% of that was afk because it was really not very compelling.
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I didn't know they played on the previous patch lol but yeah I always thought it would fail because it does not make a good spectating game on stream.
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It makes an excellent spectating game if you are allowed to spectate how you can in the client as mentioned above. Which sucks because watching OWL in its current state is a miserable experience.
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ESports are basically uninteresting to most people. Like the number of actually successful esports can be counted on one hand (dota, lol, smash, csgo, and starcraft1) and these are/were all popular for peculiar and specific reasons. Even if OW was actually a good game that was good to watch it almost certainly still wouldn't be a successful esport.
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DoctorJones posted:2. couldn't watch league games in client. I never understood this either. I mean, the client has this ability, why not let users actually use it for these matches? Watching the video of a match is pretty meh because they jump around so much from player to player to third person, but being able to watch an entire match from the perspective of a single player would be super cool.
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I tried to watch CSGO eleague one time, and it was the most absurdly boring 45 minutes of my life. There is nothing to see. Some dude crouching behind a box until 3 pixels that are imperceptible to a spectator stick out into a window. The "twitch faster" game is unwatchable and uninteresting. OW2 was pretty decent to spectate, but not as good as OW1. There is too much dueling and mobility, and not enough consistent direction of play. OW1 was really interesting with the way play rotates around the tanks, and any deviation made an interesting story. e: ow2 seems to be the 'corner the healers' game. headcase fucked around with this message at 19:46 on May 9, 2022 |
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headcase posted:I tried to watch CSGO eleague one time, and it was the most absurdly boring 45 minutes of my life. There is nothing to see. Some dude crouching behind a box until 3 pixels that are imperceptible to a spectator stick out into a window. The "twitch faster" game is unwatchable and uninteresting. This is an impressive post
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kedo posted:It doesn't feel like he does as much damage, but he's a huge pain in the rear end to kill. So now we just ignore the tanks and kill the healers even faster, which makes people love playing support just that much less
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Good Will Hrunting posted:No use arguing or debating really. Since PvE is the only aspect of OW2 you'll have to purchase we can just come back to this discussion when sales are poo poo.
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kedo posted:I never understood this either. I mean, the client has this ability, why not let users actually use it for these matches? Watching the video of a match is pretty meh because they jump around so much from player to player to third person, but being able to watch an entire match from the perspective of a single player would be super cool. my guess is it's harder to serve ads in client. and activision is all about making that cheddar
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Oh. Yeah now that you’ve said that it’s incredibly obvious.  Sell billboard space on Route 66…?
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I hate spectating any FPS cast because they jump between different players' perspectives and it's always just really disorienting. If an FPS cast committed solely to flying overview perspectives it'd be way more appealing to me.
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Remember when they introduced the ability for the viewer to switch between player povs on twitch and then almost immediately jumped ship to YouTube lmao
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:Remember when they introduced the ability for the viewer to switch between player povs on twitch and then almost immediately jumped ship to YouTube lmao I think its Twitch who peaced out of their agreement with OWL and decided not to renew their contract because OWL were asking for too much money. Or it might've been the other way around, I dunno.
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Naw you were right the first time. OWL got $100M and both sides knew full well they were never going to pull in the viewers to substantiate that. Player perspectives were well worth it though, losing those really, really sucked
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teagone posted:I think its Twitch who peaced out of their agreement with OWL and decided not to renew their contract because OWL were asking for too much money. Or it might've been the other way around, I dunno. Youtube outbid twitch on the contract, Extremely aggressively. It was also an almost guaranteed increase in traffic, better analytics because duh, google, and also stability. Twitch had dropped the ball during peak streams quite a few times. From a business perspective, not using youtube would hemorrhage tens of millions in extra costs and lost revenue. The move to youtube also attracted a much more casual audience for viewing, With Twitch you either know about it or you don't. Whereas Youtube is literally the 2nd most visited website in the world.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Ima get a message in 3 hours from videogames that the report volume has actually crashed the back-end report-viewing forum
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Sakara123 posted:Youtube outbid twitch on the contract, Extremely aggressively. It was also an almost guaranteed increase in traffic, better analytics because duh, google, and also stability. Twitch had dropped the ball during peak streams quite a few times. they got like 10k views on youtube after switching yknow only real perk to the switch afaik was that blizzact got a good deal on server/hosting costs, which was apparently worth 400m/yr out of it. Youtube was unquestionably a huge step-down from twitch for OWL and they also were super slow to integrate OWL onto youtube and it was months before even people subscribed to OWL were seeing OWL on the youtube home-screen. It was an absolute shitshow of a switch on pretty much every level Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 02:17 on May 10, 2022 |
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Just loving lol if you think YouTube is good for streaming, you obviously don't watch live streams that much. YouTube is loving horrendous for finding live streams, even if you know they're live right now AND you're subscribed to the channel. Blizz might have made a bundle on the YouTube deal, but it cost them any momentum they had in terms of streaming.
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Everyone knew the initial twitch deal with OWL was hilariously god awful for twitch and it just got funnier and more surreal as the two years stretched on. The youtube deal was really transparent face-saving.
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Last I heard twitch considers the OWL deal to be the worst deal they ever made
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Last I heard twitch considers the OWL deal to be the worst deal they ever made
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Last I heard twitch considers the OWL deal to be the worst deal they ever made Nah that's probably the deal they gave Dr. DisRespect since they banned him to get out of it
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feeling animus toward people who want to play a character that shoots things in a first-person shooter because my brain works real good
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Wheeee posted:feeling animus toward people who want to play a character that shoots things in a first-person shooter because my brain works real good Characters that shoot things? You mean like, Orisa, Roadhog, DVA, Sigma, Hammond, Zarya, Ana, Baptiste, Lucio, Mercy or Zenyata? I'm very sorry you feel called out for always slampicking DPS in every situation without any regard for your team.
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Jack Trades posted:Characters that shoot things? wdym, everyone knows hog,dva,zarya,lucio & zen are dps heroes.
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Jack Trades posted:without any regard for your team. lol Overwatch has experienced a meteoric rise in popularity over the years due to the huge number of freaks who want to play a first-person MOBA, this is true! oh and open queue is still getting games going in 5-20 seconds most of the time, and they almost always have at least one tank per team so
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:it takes half a match to get a healer though and its always lucio At least lucio is actually quite good (at least currently). Mobility right now really is absurdly strong. Just stop taking damage, it's literally so easy. 
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