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Morningwoodpecker posted:You'd think someone would have explained to the queen or the relatives of the 175,000 covid casualties that they could ignore the rules as well. God but you're boring May 9th 1800 - American hero John Brown is born. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:35 on May 9, 2022 |
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Also if we look at the standards that everyone else was held to, it was usually "don't do it again". Quite a few businesses stayed open because they weren't sure if they should or not, and only closed after being told that they should, it was only the ones that persisted in saying "no actually the law is wrong and the magna carta says i can do what i want" that attracted a more formal legal response. Johnson is being investigated because he repeatedly and knowingly held those gatherings over an extended period of time.
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May 9, 2022 11:35
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kecske posted:it says in the article that there were less than six people initially, and after a while a few more arrived and took it over the limit, and also that he recognises that this was a breach of the rule-of-six and apologises for it. that's not the same as setting out to organise a piss-up with thirty people on the invite list The thirty people pissup was cancelled because of the rules. It never took place.
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May 9, 2022 11:40
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Yeah if there was a real case to be made against Corbyn it would've been front page news every day for the last two years.
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May 9, 2022 11:42
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Guavanaut posted:Also if we look at the standards that everyone else was held to, it was usually "don't do it again". Quite a few businesses stayed open because they weren't sure if they should or not, and only closed after being told that they should, it was only the ones that persisted in saying "no actually the law is wrong and the magna carta says i can do what i want" that attracted a more formal legal response. Starmers off the hook then.
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May 9, 2022 11:48
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The only issue with this is I thought someone said they returned to work after? When the schedule seems to suggest they actually went to their hotel? But other than that pretty much as before, an employer provided food for employees and told them about it before so they knew they were sorted. No issues. No party
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May 9, 2022 11:52
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The thing that disarmed it for Corbyn was just saying he'd pay the fine. Starmer's been digging a hole to the center of the earth. At this point even if he's technically not in breach of the rules he's gone on TV and said the exact same poo poo about oh no it was a work event, this person wasn't there etc, That in the public eye he's no better than Boris.
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May 9, 2022 12:00
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Mr Phillby posted:The thing that disarmed it for Corbyn was just saying he'd pay the fine. He's also been caught in multiple lies about it; another resignation offence by his own standards. It's infuriating that the press MO is to slowly dripfeed the details of these stories but it's remarkably effective at catching people in a lie, especially the ones who think they're too clever to be caught.
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May 9, 2022 12:08
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How long will Corbyn be blamed for any and all of Labour's electoral failures? 10 years? 50 years?
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May 9, 2022 12:17
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Mr Phillby posted:The thing that disarmed it for Corbyn was just saying he'd pay the fine. That's certainly how some see it. Others think the rules and laws should apply equally to all without fear or favour and that people in power have a duty to lead by example rather than exception. Big ask in a state as institutionally corrupt as ours though.
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May 9, 2022 12:19
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Catpetter1981 posted:How long will Corbyn be blamed for any and all of Labour's electoral failures? 10 years? 50 years? Eventually Guy Fawkes Day will become Jermy Croblin Day and the children will burn effigies and eat horseradish
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May 9, 2022 12:20
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Catpetter1981 posted:How long will Corbyn be blamed for any and all of Labour's electoral failures? 10 years? 50 years? People still talk about the bins not being collected in the 70s or whatever.
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May 9, 2022 12:24
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I think there’s a night and day difference between “politician caught doing something wrong, owns up immediately and says sorry” and “politician caught doing something wrong, denies, denies, denies, only says sorry in a half hearted way once the evidence mounts up beyond credibility” personally. As well as a difference between “wrong thing x happened as a result of inaction” and “wrong thing x happened intentionally”. Ultimately what this particular incident was for Starmer we’ll have to see. But both Corbyn and Sturgeon both successfully made their breaches boring (which is the real killer of a scandal) with a “I definitely hosed up, and I’m sorry” admission immediately, so going full throated denial is a bold play unless Starmer is really really sure that this doesn’t even have the appearance of being against the spirit of the rules.
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May 9, 2022 12:26
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Brendan Rodgers posted:People still talk about the bins not being collected in the 70s or whatever. First they came for the bins... and then they stopped.
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May 9, 2022 12:26
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https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1523615481676333056?s=19 Great strategy at play here
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May 9, 2022 12:28
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Yeah I think it was TrashFuture pointing out that if they'd just straight up said "oh yeah my bad" then it'd be one thing but instead they lied and said no parties happened, then that Boris Johnson wasn't at any parties, then that he didn't realise it was a party... at this point the lies are cringeworthy in how transparently bullshit they are.
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May 9, 2022 12:30
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1523615481676333056?s=19 Even changing his mind and failing to announce this would make him look utterly pathetic, lol. Which may well be the thinking of whatever 'allies' are trying to bump him into this, because the Labour right are and always will be a nest of vipers.
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May 9, 2022 12:30
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1523615481676333056?s=19 Keith threatening us with a good time. I'm sure the not at all political police officers will not take this as the world's most pathetic blackmail threat rather than an invitation to work really hard to find him guilty.
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May 9, 2022 12:31
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1523615481676333056?s=19 Starmer has wrecked Labour as a vehicle for even the most milquetoast left wing politics and alienated the base for a generation just as the Tories were about to enter a literal terminal decline. Why would he stay? His job is done.
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May 9, 2022 12:32
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First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And I said "This is Jeremy Corbyns fault"
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May 9, 2022 12:33
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1523615481676333056?s=19 Don't worry everyone, I have filled the corridor with petards, now to take a large sip of beer and march
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May 9, 2022 12:35
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Jedit posted:Starmer has wrecked Labour as a vehicle for even the most milquetoast left wing politics and alienated the base for a generation just as the Tories were about to enter a literal terminal decline. Why would he stay? His job is done. When does Andy Burnham finish playing mayor? He's fairly obviously been put as someone's ace in the hole to pull out to swipe the next election. That's when Kieth resigns. Bad cop out, new nice guy in to applause and favourable press?
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May 9, 2022 12:38
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https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1523621591917428738?s=19. Ahahahaha https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1488176626642923521?s=19
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His Divine Shadow posted:First they came for the bins... and then they stopped. 'The bins' reminds me of that in a way, because you can't openly admire Thatcher's "swamped with other cultures promoting alternative lifestyles" reaction against the 70s as much as they'd like to, and there's no appetite religious sounding Reagan moralism, but you can bang on forever about the time the bins weren't collected as a proxy. At least Thatcher made the bins run on time.
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May 9, 2022 12:43
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Keith Starman, 1972-2022, colourised
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Reveilled posted:I do recall having something kind of like gender dysphoria while I was going through puberty maybe for a period of a few months, I assume as a result of all the various sex hormones doing their things, so it's certainly possible to have those feelings and for them to eventually subside. I have no idea how common that is, based on my sample size of one. Yeah, takes like weetman's get thrown around a lot by terfs and it comes from (shock horror) a wilful misunderstanding of what trans people actually want. Terfs have largely convinced themselves that the end point of the trans agenda is that any child expressing the slightest uncertainty about gender will be put on an "affirmative" conveyor belt from which there is no escape (irreversible damage!). They seem very keen on denying any possibility that an attempt at gender transition can be temporary - repeatedly hyping up the risks of puberty blockers, or pointing to the high percentage of kids entering trans healthcare who end up persisting as adults. (The explanation that this is because to get that far kids have to have waited several years consistently wanting to transition is discarded - this is clearly instead proof that one step toward transition will cause the Trans Agenda to wrap its tentacles around you and drag you in forever) So given that all transition is permanent and some kids are uncertain about gender for a bit, the way they see to protect these kids is either to destroy transition entirely or (for the more "moderate" terfs, or at least those who pretend to be) make transition so incredibly arduous that only the true believers will get through. The massive collateral damage of trans people having to go through a horrible process of waiting years of what may be horrible dysphoria and very possibly coming out the other end anywhere from burnt out to depressed to actually dead - this is just the price that has to be paid to stop any cis kids entering into the unstoppable conveyor belt. I can see this also harming the kids that are just a bit uncertain but would have ended up cis anyway - instead of being able to explore these feelings and think about their relationship to gender, they are encouraged to think of these thoughts as just imaginary (or downright shameful) and just push them down and hope they go away after a bit. That doesn't seem super healthy. The actual ideal end point (at least imo) is a model closer to what "affirmative" counselling actually means, where a kid is trusted to decide how they want to identify and allowed to go back and forth as much as they want. The ideal world I see is one where a kid can just turn up to school one day and say "hey i would like it if you called me 'her' for a bit" and the teacher just says "ok i'll tell the class, you can talk to our school counsellor if you want they're trained on helping you think about this stuff" and nobody bats an eyelid. I think you'd see quite a few kids switching for a wee bit and then switching back to being 100% cis forever but I really don't see how having a few weeks in your teens where you tried a different gender would be a bad thing. The terfs definitely would have a problem with that of course, because it undermines the sacred bond between pronouns and assigned gender at birth, so they have to make it seem utterly impossible and a downright evil trap that can never be escaped. If the terfs really cared so much about pressure to transition as quickly as possible, they could also help alleviate this by not bullying the appearances of people who transition later in life and so have experienced the physical effects of the wrong puberty, but then what funny banter jokes would they have left to share at their lunches
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Guavanaut posted:
Hello, are your bins running? Well then you'd better go
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I love the bit in movies where the mad scientist is immediately killed horribly by their own creation.
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Catpetter1981 posted:How long will Corbyn be blamed for any and all of Labour's electoral failures? 10 years? 50 years? Wrong question on my part. Of course Corbyn will be blamed forever for Labour's electoral failures. What I meant to ask was, what angle can the Labor right and the Guardian use to spin Beergate as being Corbyn's fault?
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Brendan Rodgers posted:People still talk about the bins not being collected in the 70s or whatever. Ah, that too must have been the work of the vile traitor Jeremy Corbyn
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Necrothatcher posted:I love the bit in movies where the mad scientist is immediately killed horribly by their own creation. Sure, but are you talking about the UK and Thatcher, or Humiliation For Loser Starmer?
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1523621591917428738?s=19. I can't believe the Blairites are stabbing Kieth front & back, truly unexpected from these psychos obsessed with purity politics
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Failed Imagineer posted:Keith Starman, 1972-2022, colourised 
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https://twitter.com/emmakennedy/status/1523626637828440066?s=21&t=5ZBCkmvPESzX4JKD_YX-9g Hah, called it. Doubt he'll even have the sliver of self-awareness necessary to regret all those times he covered for the police over their blatantly corrupt and partisan behaviour.
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Gonzo McFee posted:
He only said that Prime Ministers need to resign under these circumstances, and he is clearly, painfully not a Prime Minister. Ipso facto he can do as he pleases
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not that it matters either way, but if kier does get ripped down by the people who put him there over some stupid scandal then he at least deserves it. it's the same thing he did personally to corbyn, on a smaller scale.
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Love this Labour leaflet highlighting that the Greens set policy based on effectiveness rather than spite and moralism like the other parties https://twitter.com/stilloveryonder/status/1523570415142338560?s=21&t=RlIeIfoXKkRjWc-NkaTWXg
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Don't give me hope, please I can't stop myself from hoping Keith will actually step down, even though it's ludicrous to and my hopes will be inevitably dashed Or is this some thing where Keith will give a speech, stop halfway through and step behind a panel, and then Tony Blair emerges to announce he's taking us back to 1997
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Morningwoodpecker posted:That's certainly how some see it. Others think the rules and laws should apply equally to all without fear or favour and that people in power have a duty to lead by example rather than exception. The prevailing tack from the rightwingers is that 'they're all the same' and Kier is very publically proving them right. The truth is that largely they're right on, Keith is dishonest, carrerist and corrupt.You can argue he's not as bad as boris on a very fundamental level he is cut from the same cloth. Compare boris's twin columns, one for brexit and one against with Keith voting through boris's brexit deal after years of campaigning to stop that very thing from happening. For both of these men the most damaging political event of my generation was nothing more than a political football. Power for power's sake, gently caress the consequences.
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