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Noxville posted:Love this Labour leaflet highlighting that the Greens set policy based on effectiveness rather than spite and moralism like the other parties Not sure how committed they are to those 3 yo promises given they try to bury them, but Labour did own itself pretty hard there as well.
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we would not halve the prison population, we would instead double it.
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May 9, 2022 13:43
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so who’s gonna take over after Keith quits? I feel like none of the PLP idiots has a big enough profile to be the heir apparent
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May 9, 2022 13:45
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Julio Cruz posted:so who’s gonna take over after Keith quits? I feel like none of the PLP idiots has a big enough profile to be the heir apparent They’re pushing Streeting but I don’t think he would have the votes to win the leadership election
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Julio Cruz posted:so who’s gonna take over after Keith quits? I feel like none of the PLP idiots has a big enough profile to be the heir apparent Streeting is the obvious one, but maybe Cooper in to #girlboss it.
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Julio Cruz posted:so who’s gonna take over after Keith quits? I feel like none of the PLP idiots has a big enough profile to be the heir apparent Rachel Reeves or Yvette Cooper are possibilities. I'd not totally rule out Wes Streeting, but maybe he'd sit it out in exchange for Chancellor or something for Reeves, because he's got a very hateable face Cooper will be presented as the candidate of the soft left lol forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 13:59 on May 9, 2022 |
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May 9, 2022 13:55
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Who are we kidding, it'll be jessflaps. eric andre why would europe do this dot png
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...they have created? in what universe does that make any sense at all
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Ed balls, although no longer an mp, is the most popular labour figure I think.
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Ha ha of course Tweetman has gone full TERF. She's clearly been angling for a comfy columnist job for years and thought that would be her reward for aligning with all the radical centrist weirdos, but she doesn't have a clue how power works or how little they cared about her. Since Corbyn got chucked and all her weirdo pals abandoned her she's obviously been looking for any grift she can to stay relevant and it's genuinely kinda sad lol. I'd actually be very surprised if she earnestly believed half the dumb poo poo she says.
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May 9, 2022 14:00
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It is much more likely, I think, that people believe whatever is convenient rather than writing things they don't believe.
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I honestly think she knows it's a grift and is just saying whatever she naively thinks will lead to the JK Rowling windfall somewhere down the road. She clearly doesn't do any real thinking about the subject, she's terminally online and here for twitter interactions not to actually have any kind of honest discourse.
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May 9, 2022 14:03
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Kieth can’t go yet, I need to see what a Labour manifesto looks like under Starmer.
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I would suggest that that level of self awareness is likely incompatible with her failure to get very far. Rather, I think it is more likely that she sincerely believes each of these stupid tacks she goes on, believes that she is fighting some noble battle etc, because it is much more personally elevating to believe that. I don't think there are people who are capable actors and also writing their own scripts to act out as if they were real, while simultaneously not believing any of it. It would be extremely weird for someone to live like that, when there is instead the option of simply belieiving you're right and what you say is right and the world would be much better off if people listened to you, while also lacking the intellectual capacity to formulate ideas other than reflections of basic ambient societal prejudices and your own personal hangups. Basically, if given the choice as to whether she is a brilliant manipulator or merely extremely dull and drawn to the most unremarkable ideas around her, I am going to suggest the latter.
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TACD posted:Kieth can’t go yet, I need to see what a Labour manifesto looks like under Starmer. You'll see exactly the same thing under his successor, have no fear. Starmer is the ultimate empty suit; he has nothing of his own, only what the team behind him tells him to do. That's why you're hearing now about his team planning for him to resign rather than them planning what to do in the event of his resignation.
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Mr Phillby posted:Thats why Starmer is a disaster though, he isn't leading by example in this case. The example would be to let the police investigate and say upfront that you're happy to pay the fine. Keith is the labour equivalent of John Major, he's a steady hand that doesn't terrify them after a period with a scary leader. That also means being a professional politician so he's an unprincipled opportunistic twat who secretly thinks the rules are only for the proles. Oddly enough he'd probably make a fantastic conservative leader as although he thinks he's above the rules he doesn't actually look for opportunities to be openly criminally dishonest. He should go. By which I mean both of the fuckers.
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Yeah, we agree tbh. When I say she doesn't believe half of it I more mean she can't because her understanding is so superficial, and she's approaching the conversation with obvious personal and ideological motives that discourage her from making the effort. So she's not being wilfully deceitful, but is also hardly a good faith actor.
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Angepain posted:They seem very keen on denying any possibility that an attempt at gender transition can be temporary - repeatedly hyping up the risks of puberty blockers Much like the US abortion debate or the bins it's not about what it claims to be about, but is more howling about change and fear of lost privilege. Noxville posted:Love this Labour leaflet highlighting that the Greens set policy based on effectiveness rather than spite and moralism like the other parties 
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May 9, 2022 14:26
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I'm calling it now. If Keith resigns over this, the spin will be how noble he was for doing this and respecting the rule of law, unlike that Boris Johnson. Completely missing out how in politics power is what matters.
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The Question IRL posted:I'm calling it now. If Keith resigns over this, the spin will be how noble he was for doing this and respecting the rule of law, unlike that Boris Johnson. Jedit posted:You'll see exactly the same thing under his successor, have no fear. 
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TACD posted:Kieth can’t go yet, I need to see what a Labour manifesto looks like under Starmer. Page 2: ello bab it me, jess Page 3: JJJEEERRREEEMMMYYY CCCOOORRRBBBYYYNNN
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TACD posted:Kieth can’t go yet, I need to see what a Labour manifesto looks like under Starmer. Just go to the printer and pick up a stack of paper from the tray that hasn't been used yet. That's your Labour manifesto
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In a previous era the prison, separated from society, was the institution of total surveillance, whose inmates were constantly observed and their activities recorded, but today total surveillance is increasingly the general condition of society as a whole. “The prison,” Michel Foucault notes, “begins well before its doors. It begins as soon as you leave your house” – and even before. Do you accept this because you are unaware of being watched? Or because you think you have no choice? Each of these may be true in part, but overlying both is fear. You accept being in a prison society because outside seems more dangerous. You are not only the object of security but also the subject. You answer the call to be vigilant, constantly on watch for suspicious activity on the subway, devious designs of your seatmate on the bus, malicious motives of your neighbours. Fear justifies volunteering your pair of eyes and your alert attention to a seemingly universal security machine. There are two dramatis personae in securitized society: inmates and guards. And New Labour invites you to play both roles at once.
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Ziggy Tzardust posted:They’re pushing Streeting but I don’t think he would have the votes to win the leadership election yeah I don't think anyone outside of political weirdos actually knows who he is political weirdos includes this thread btw Cooper and Jessflaps have basically been memory-holed, I can't think of a single memorable thing either of them has said or done since Keith took over Reeves is probably my guess since at least she's stuck her head up here and there in order to be thoroughly awful
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/emmakennedy/status/1523626637828440066?s=21&t=5ZBCkmvPESzX4JKD_YX-9g One important note: I don't believe Emma Kennedy has been right about literally anything ever.
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Crazy seeing how quickly Starmer goes to pieces and starts making stupid decisions the moment he's actually put under pressure.
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Julio Cruz posted:so who’s gonna take over after Keith quits? I feel like none of the PLP idiots has a big enough profile to be the heir apparent Yvette Cooper / Ed Balls force dyad.
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c'mon with that fixed penalty notice durrrrahm pigs, I want a curry! F-P-N! F-P-N! F-P-N!
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He’s gonna do it https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1523662844125843456
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Noxville posted:Love this Labour leaflet highlighting that the Greens set policy based on effectiveness rather than spite and moralism like the other parties "these are green party policies from their website. they won't tell you about them" but you just admitted that these are from their website???
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Oh my god lol. Starters going to resign to stick it to Boris Johnson! What an amazing leader. WINSTON CHURCHILL of our time I'd reckon.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:"these are green party policies from their website. I think the inference is that it is the 2019 website. Please do not think about the 2019 labour website.
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Can't help but feel that there's an element of self-sabotage here: he's subconsciously hating being leader and if the Durham police fine him then it's kind of their decision rather than his decision that he goes. I mean, I've been monitoring his recent TV appearances, and if he's enjoying being Labour leader at all, then he's extremely good at hiding it.
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I mean he's just consistently failed to achieve anything and everyone hates him almost as much as boris. I would hate it too, honestly. Going to be thrilling watching the usual suspects effortlessly pivot to gushing about the next prick in a suit who is definitely different from tha last one.
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garlic naan, saag paneer, chicken dhansak, mushroom and garlic rice and some onion bhajis I reckon chips too obvs
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its loving Shakespearian that keith's crazy plan is entirely predicated on the police not being corrupt shitheads
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lol the ex-chief cop is about to find out how corrupt the cops are when you're no longer one of them
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^^^ straight up face eating leopards poo poo The funniest outcome is that he says he will step down if given a fine, the police penalise him with a complex legal mechanism that isn't technically a fine, he doesn't step down, and even centrists hate him for being percieved as weaseling his way out of it on a technicality.
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I’m sure the Tories will be humbled to see Kieth prove himself the better man and to have higher moral standing than Boris Johnson, rather than laughing their loving balls off
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