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D.N. Nation posted:
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D.N. Nation posted:
Its the face you make at another person when they fart in an elevator
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It's funnier that he's posted this exact tweet before without the "if Roman is done" part. He genuinely thinks they will give a mega push to Bron or Theory.
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did any of these people watch gable stevesons segments yet?
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teh reason kurt angle became a big star was because he was a world class amateur wrestler
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May 9, 2022 00:17
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Mark Henry was also an Olympic athlete and it took WWE like a decade to figure out how to book him properly and even that only lasted like what, a couple months?
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Drakkel posted:Mark Henry was also an Olympic athlete and it took WWE like a decade to figure out how to book him properly and even that only lasted like what, a couple months? At least with Mark he himself admits he didn't really "get it" until 2008.
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I would love for Roman to decide he wants to retire just to see Vince's panicked scramble to figure out who the next top guy is gonna be. They've built nobody who could replace him except maybe Brock and the icing on that cake would be if Brock refused to answer his phone when Vince called
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Elephant Ambush posted:I would love for Roman to decide he wants to retire just to see Vince's panicked scramble to figure out who the next top guy is gonna be. They've built nobody who could replace him except maybe Brock and the icing on that cake would be if Brock refused to answer his phone when Vince called I get the impulse, but in this instance.... It'd be Cody. Like it has to be, at least short term.
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It does feel like Cody is who they're building up, and by "building up" they're not making GBS threads on the reaction he gets by having him lose meaningless matches. WWE's best bet the last 15 years has been "let guys go figure out what gets over in other places and bring them back without changing them"
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May 9, 2022 02:12
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jackofarcades posted:WWE's best bet the last 15 years has been "let guys go figure out what gets over in other places and bring them back without changing them" Vince will never admit it but this has been the truth his whole time owning WWF/E.
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May 9, 2022 02:40
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Drakkel posted:Mark Henry was also an Olympic athlete and it took WWE like a decade to figure out how to book him properly and even that only lasted like what, a couple months? to be fair early career mark henry sucked and mid career was them deliberately embarrassing him as much as possible in hopes that he'd ask to be let out from his huge contract
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jackofarcades posted:It does feel like Cody is who they're building up, and by "building up" they're not making GBS threads on the reaction he gets by having him lose meaningless matches.
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May 9, 2022 04:07
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Saucer Crab posted:Vince will never admit it but this has been the truth his whole time owning WWF/E. Except for the Attitude Era basically.
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MassRafTer posted:Except for the Attitude Era basically. Stone cold was developed in ECW, same with mankind. The Rock would have sunk if he went with what creative gave him.
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cagliostr0 posted:Stone cold was developed in ECW, same with mankind. The Rock would have sunk if he went with what creative gave him. the rock did go with what creative gave him, he was just charismatic enough that the extremely stupid lines they gave him worked coming out of his mouth thats why the wwe are so bad at getting people over now, they still give people the same level of awful lines because hey it worked for The Rock, why shouldn't it work for everyone else
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cagliostr0 posted:Stone cold was developed in ECW, same with mankind. The Rock would have sunk if he went with what creative gave him. He was in ECW for a few months. He got more comfortable on the mic but the Stone Cold act in no way was just something lifted from his ECW run. Foley would have probably been better off if they just let him do what worked elsewhere instead of having to make him into their own thing. Each of these guys hit their stride when what they were given didn't work and they started being able to contribute more, not just because they did what they'd done elsewhere.
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May 9, 2022 05:22
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With Austin and Foley it's more that Vince for one brief period was willing to listen to his wrestlers and work with them on creating characters, because most of his own ideas hadn't panned out.
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Mankind kinda works as a New Generation cartoon foil for Undertaker but I guarantee if the character was played by anyone other than Mick Foley, he would have been gone after Survivor Series 96.
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Maxwell Lord posted:With Austin and Foley it's more that Vince for one brief period was willing to listen to his wrestlers and work with them on creating characters, because most of his own ideas hadn't panned out. That's basically the way Foley tells the story, McMahon was getting his rear end kicked and decided he was going to do it another way. (I believe the line in the book is "let wrestlers have personality") Then he won* and went back to doing it his way.
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May 9, 2022 09:11
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MassRafTer posted:Except for the Attitude Era basically. This is mostly why I specified the last 15ish years, but yeah, I agree with the people saying it's pretty much always been like this.
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MJF and a few retirements will be to much for Tony Yayo https://twitter.com/wrestlecringe/status/1523691872019161089?s=21&t=cn0yBTz_XL1XDb-9aVDq5Q
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May 9, 2022 18:21
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But I thought AEW was dead in the water because Cody left? Just like how it was dead in the water that one time NXT beat it in the ratings and then promptly died? Or how it was dead in the water that one time some wrestlers dressed up as Ghostbusters on the HALLOWEEN EPISODE of the show? Or that time a masked jobber punched bad?
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May 9, 2022 18:27
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these goobers are always calling TK a money mark and yet when it serves them they always conveniently forget that he has enough money to buy the WWE multiple times over but any day now AEW is gonna fold. any day now
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May 9, 2022 18:37
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Mankind kinda works as a New Generation cartoon foil for Undertaker but I guarantee if the character was played by anyone other than Mick Foley, he would have been gone after Survivor Series 96. After I got a little older, I started to wonder if there was supposed to be a message about having Mankind feud with the Undertaker. The character's name is Mankind and he's a hosed up weirdo that squeals like a pig and rips out his own hair and fights in this strange, brutal way. The Undertaker wasn't really treated like a guy with a job at a cemetery the way that other wrestlers were a plumber or garbage man. He was treated (is treated?) as the personification of death. It's not exactly subtle storytelling but I would usually assume they just created a grotesque enemy to feud with Taker.
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dromal phrenia posted:After I got a little older, I started to wonder if there was supposed to be a message about having Mankind feud with the Undertaker. The character's name is Mankind and he's a hosed up weirdo that squeals like a pig and rips out his own hair and fights in this strange, brutal way. The Undertaker wasn't really treated like a guy with a job at a cemetery the way that other wrestlers were a plumber or garbage man. He was treated (is treated?) as the personification of death. It's not exactly subtle storytelling but I would usually assume they just created a grotesque enemy to feud with Taker. The original idea for Mankind's name was Mason the Mutilator. I don't remember if Foley came up with the idea for the change to Mankind but I don't think anyone thought deep enough about this whole thing to try to send a "life vs death" message
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dromal phrenia posted:After I got a little older, I started to wonder if there was supposed to be a message about having Mankind feud with the Undertaker. The character's name is Mankind and he's a hosed up weirdo that squeals like a pig and rips out his own hair and fights in this strange, brutal way. The Undertaker wasn't really treated like a guy with a job at a cemetery the way that other wrestlers were a plumber or garbage man. He was treated (is treated?) as the personification of death. It's not exactly subtle storytelling but I would usually assume they just created a grotesque enemy to feud with Taker. That's a pretty cool idea even if it wasn't the intention.
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dromal phrenia posted:After I got a little older, I started to wonder if there was supposed to be a message about having Mankind feud with the Undertaker. The character's name is Mankind and he's a hosed up weirdo that squeals like a pig and rips out his own hair and fights in this strange, brutal way. The Undertaker wasn't really treated like a guy with a job at a cemetery the way that other wrestlers were a plumber or garbage man. He was treated (is treated?) as the personification of death. It's not exactly subtle storytelling but I would usually assume they just created a grotesque enemy to feud with Taker. Taker's persona changed a bunch where he was certainly a magical death wizard for various periods, but in both the comic and the early days of the character (particularly around casket matches) you'd see him in the workshop building coffins and stuff like he had a job in Paul's funeral parlour.
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Elephant Ambush posted:The original idea for Mankind's name was Mason the Mutilator. I don't remember if Foley came up with the idea for the change to Mankind but I don't think anyone thought deep enough about this whole thing to try to send a "life vs death" message It was Foley's idea. He said how when he talked about thing like the destruction of Mankind or how Mankind was a monster he could be referring to himself or the entire human race. He was under the impression that he'd still be stuck with the "mutilator" part of the name but when he debuted he was pleasantly surprised to see it was gone.
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In his book he said how he could see from a million miles away that the mutilator gimmick was terrible and had no legs but he knew if he just said it was terrible he wouldn't get anywhere - he had to have something better to replace it with. So that's when he tweeked it with the Mankind gimmick.
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I heard a probably untrue story that the original Mankind mask was supposed to be the phantom of the opera mask Undertaker had been wearing in early '96. That would have been a cool touch but I still think the Mankind mask we actually got is the best.
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Kosmo Gallion posted:I heard a probably untrue story that the original Mankind mask was supposed to be the phantom of the opera mask Undertaker had been wearing in early '96. That would have been a cool touch but I still think the Mankind mask we actually got is the best. Wasn't there a whole backstory where Mankind was a former pianist whose abusive mother would smash the piano lid down on his hands when he got notes wrong, and that's why he came out to weird piano music and did the mangled hands pose and then they just never mentioned it again after a week or whatever?
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Drakkel posted:Wasn't there a whole backstory where Mankind was a former pianist whose abusive mother would smash the piano lid down on his hands when he got notes wrong, and that's why he came out to weird piano music and did the mangled hands pose and then they just never mentioned it again after a week or whatever? Yes and it's also why his entrance music and post-match music were different. Whenever he won he would leave to a piano song.
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May 9, 2022 22:31
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Drakkel posted:Wasn't there a whole backstory where Mankind was a former pianist whose abusive mother would smash the piano lid down on his hands when he got notes wrong, and that's why he came out to weird piano music and did the mangled hands pose and then they just never mentioned it again after a week or whatever? I didn't know that actually made tv. But yeah something like that was the origin story the braintrust wanted.
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Drakkel posted:Wasn't there a whole backstory where Mankind was a former pianist whose abusive mother would smash the piano lid down on his hands when he got notes wrong, and that's why he came out to weird piano music and did the mangled hands pose and then they just never mentioned it again after a week or whatever? I completely forgot he used to yell Mommy all the time too.
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Kosmo Gallion posted:I heard a probably untrue story that the original Mankind mask was supposed to be the phantom of the opera mask Undertaker had been wearing in early '96. That would have been a cool touch but I still think the Mankind mask we actually got is the best. I think the original mask was sort of a Hannibal Lecter type deal. The calm piano music that played when he won was inspired by Silence of the Lambs too. Based on a scene where Lecter murders a guard in his cell while serene classical music plays.
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May 9, 2022 22:32
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Kosmo Gallion posted:I heard a probably untrue story that the original Mankind mask was supposed to be the phantom of the opera mask Undertaker had been wearing in early '96. That would have been a cool touch but I still think the Mankind mask we actually got is the best. iirc it was that the Mankind mask was one of the ideas for the mask Taker wore that wasn't used
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The piano music is also almost the Laura Palmer theme. As is his original entrance as well.
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