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Comrade Fakename posted:Backing Starmer in the leadership election was a position that had a logic to it - we need a person palatable to the media to deliver the change we need. But this idea has now been proven so utterly wrong that Paul has no choice but to retreat into the Glinnerhole. It's not logic if you have to discard a bunch of facts to reach the decision. We already knew 90% of what we now know about Starmer before he even stood for leader. The idea that Mr DPP Trilateral Commission would "deliver the change we need" was as laughable then as it is now.
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May 10, 2022 07:08
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Sir Keir, the nation is listening. What is your big statement about all this stuff? Choose your words carefully. You have permission to be listened to, and this might be one of your few phrases that breaks through the public consciousness. The Big Boy: I will resign if something does or does not happen based on some nonsense or other
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Can't vote for a labour leader who orders a korma. Red faced on question time demanding Keir admit whether he would if pressed eat a Madras. This is my wedge issue
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the sex ghost posted:Can't vote for a labour leader who orders a korma. Red faced on question time demanding Keir admit whether he would if pressed eat a Madras. This is my wedge issue Toxic masculinity. Kier is a sophisticated connoisseur of a subtle coconut cream lightly spiced with cardomom.
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May 10, 2022 08:47
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https://twitter.com/abiwilks/status/1523928060814405633?s=21&t=TbArEoH1Wtmg7dZpeqCDvQ They’re so bad at this
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May 10, 2022 08:47
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Only Kindness posted:Redirect twitter.com to nitter.net, job done. (I use an addon called Redirector but there are probably a million ways to do it, go nuts.) Thanks for suggesting this. Very useful.
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May 10, 2022 09:36
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Tarnop posted:It's not logic if you have to discard a bunch of facts to reach the decision. We already knew 90% of what we now know about Starmer before he even stood for leader. The idea that Mr DPP Trilateral Commission would "deliver the change we need" was as laughable then as it is now. To you. Quite a lot of comrades in the party, not just rightists, disagreed at the time. (I didn't, I didn't trust the bugger either, but I can agree with Fakename that I can see their logic)
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May 10, 2022 10:26
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Tarnop posted:It's not logic if you have to discard a bunch of facts to reach the decision. We already knew 90% of what we now know about Starmer before he even stood for leader. The idea that Mr DPP Trilateral Commission would "deliver the change we need" was as laughable then as it is now. I’m not saying I agreed with the logic - I literally worked on the RLB campaign. I’m just saying that it’s not a completely from left-field, wacky bonkers idea. Mason and Laura Parker both had dinner with Starmer before the 2019 election where they hashed out their support for him in the upcoming leadership election - presumably at that event Keir basically lied to their faces about what he was going to do. Paul just simply can’t accept that he’s been had.
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May 10, 2022 10:39
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Tarnop posted:It's not logic if you have to discard a bunch of facts to reach the decision. We already knew 90% of what we now know about Starmer before he even stood for leader. The idea that Mr DPP Trilateral Commission would "deliver the change we need" was as laughable then as it is now. To be fair to those incredulous morons who voted for Kieth, the platform he ran on was palatable to the left. Now those of us with an understanding of object permanence didn't believe it because we remember he quit the cabinet in the chicken coup and even without the Trilateral Commission poo poo, but not everyone on the left is as gifted with a Evergreen load of cynicism like you or I. The optimism of the left is probably necessary for the not-mentally-ill of our number to not want to blow their heads off because we lose. A lot. But God the naivety is infuriating, no matter if its coming from an 18 year old or from the former Leader of the Opposition. I will say that Kieth has actually exceeded my expectations as far as how right he'd run though. I didn't think he had it in him to break basically all of his leadership campaign pledges, does show the utter contempt the Labour left are held in though, rightfully so if they are happy to be slapped in the face Minoru Suzuki style continually and stay in the party & campaigning for it
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Yeah, had I not been following this thread for the years before - which provided both good coverage of Starmer's duplicity and general uselessness while he was in the shadow cabinet and a good dose of cynicism/realism about how a much real change a Sir, QC and DPP could be expected to deliver - I would probably have gone for Starmer in the leadership. Based solely on his pledges, his platform and his statements during the leadership campaign he came across as exactly the "still a leftist but not as scary" that a lot of people were looking for post-2019. And yes, I've also been surprised at how extensively and blatantly he's broken his pledges, reversed his previously stated positions and gleefully swung so far to the right. If you looked in past threads you'd find me predicting that at worst he'd be another Ed Miliband (sort of reluctant 'sad neoliberalism') or a genuinely empty weather vane who did whatever the loudest and strongest voices told him to do or whatever had the electoral advantage. But he's not even that, and he's not even good at the base game of politics and power.
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the sex ghost posted:Can't vote for a labour leader who orders a korma. Red faced on question time demanding Keir admit whether he would if pressed eat a Madras. This is my wedge issue Remember the halcyon days where the big scandal among party leaders was whether they’d ever been to Greggs? It feels about a billion years ago considering everything that’s happened since
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Can someone make the Queen do a fit to work test and take away her state benefits?
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forkboy84 posted:To be fair to those incredulous morons who voted for Kieth, the platform he ran on was palatable to the left. Now those of us with an understanding of object permanence didn't believe it because we remember he quit the cabinet in the chicken coup and even without the Trilateral Commission poo poo, but not everyone on the left is as gifted with a Evergreen load of cynicism like you or I. Fair points by everyone who replied and it's true that not everyone has a resource like this thread as a collective memory of all the grim poo poo politicians do. I'd expect someone like Mason to do some research and apply some critical thinking, but perhaps that expectation is based on who he presents himself as rather than who he actually is
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https://twitter.com/RivkahBrown/status/1523983670067220480?t=qwgNBa1MnucTAdD_l5-9XQ&s=19 Absolute state of that. https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1523963554742915074?t=wOb8tTQKuV6HJWnthxvsgg&s=19 Country of perverts
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More 👏 Women 👏 Palace 👏 Guards
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Christ how can anyone stand how grim this country is. Charles sitting on a golden throne talking about reducing the cost of living (by magic). BDS by public bodies to be banned, direct action protest to be banned, human rights act to be replaced. The base will remain onside because the miserable gits that make up a fair proportion of this country will happily trade their own standard of living as long as someone else gets it worse, and labour will go along with it because they're a bunch of authoritarian shits too.
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This bit is kindof funny:quote:The Prince of Wales said the government will bring forward a Schools Bill and a Higher Education Bill to reform education, to ensure children can “fulfil their potential wherever they live”. Turns out "fulfil their potential" for some can mean "live in the dirt where you belong you feckless poor".
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Private Speech posted:This bit is kindof funny: Just the "gods and clods" bit from SP in legislative form https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGTL35S_jRw
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Juche Couture posted:Christ how can anyone stand how grim this country is. Charles sitting on a golden throne talking about reducing the cost of living (by magic). BDS by public bodies to be banned, direct action protest to be banned, human rights act to be replaced. The base will remain onside because the miserable gits that make up a fair proportion of this country will happily trade their own standard of living as long as someone else gets it worse, and labour will go along with it because they're a bunch of authoritarian shits too. Because it's the same poo poo that's gone on for longer than I've been alive, I'm numb to it all. That's how you stand it.
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Private Speech posted:This bit is kindof funny:
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Juche Couture posted:Christ how can anyone stand how grim this country is. Charles sitting on a golden throne talking about reducing the cost of living (by magic). BDS by public bodies to be banned, direct action protest to be banned, human rights act to be replaced. The base will remain onside because the miserable gits that make up a fair proportion of this country will happily trade their own standard of living as long as someone else gets it worse, and labour will go along with it because they're a bunch of authoritarian shits too. Wouldn't it be nice if labour had a bigger problem with any of those things or the people doing them than they do with themselves.
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May 10, 2022 15:53
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It'd sure beat them moaning about how the Lib Dems and Greens are a threat to the profits of drug gangs and nuclear weapon manufacturers or how Durham police are being mind manipulated by Trotsky, yes.
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/RivkahBrown/status/1523983670067220480?t=qwgNBa1MnucTAdD_l5-9XQ&s=19 If you told me that every year they make up a new ‘hallowed tradition’ that nobody’s ever thought about before, and everybody goes along with it without realising, I’d believe you
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The education bill seems to mostly be about forcing all remaining schools in England to join multi academy trusts, perhaps the shittest method of operating schools ever devised. There is no evidence that this improves schools but it does funnel quite a lot of money to private interests, take power away from local councils and put it in private hands, and further crushes the already broken teaching unions.
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TwoShanks posted:The education bill seems to mostly be about forcing all remaining schools in England to join multi academy trusts, perhaps the shittest method of operating schools ever devised. There is no evidence that this improves schools but it does funnel quite a lot of money to private interests, take power away from local councils and put it in private hands, and further crushes the already broken teaching unions. Working as intended then
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Answers Me posted:If you told me that every year they make up a new ‘hallowed tradition’ that nobody’s ever thought about before, and everybody goes along with it without realising, I’d believe you
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Juche Couture posted:Christ how can anyone stand how grim this country is. Charles sitting on a golden throne talking about reducing the cost of living (by magic). BDS by public bodies to be banned, direct action protest to be banned, human rights act to be replaced. The base will remain onside because the miserable gits that make up a fair proportion of this country will happily trade their own standard of living as long as someone else gets it worse, and labour will go along with it because they're a bunch of authoritarian shits too. I basically think everything you could point to as an example of British culture ranges from shoot me in the head boring to disgusting, but I try not to lose perspective about how bad the material circumstances are because all of the things you mentioned, and everything I care about besides, have either been worse in the past, or are worse somewhere else right now. That let's me at least ignore the cultural aspects - the way people talk, think, the things they like - and just exist in a mental space where things are better and people are better because there are a lot of people who can live up to that around. Not everyone is a festering gammon - and every country has a variation of these, even if they aren't as obviously decrepit. But I'm not talking about ignoring it all or becoming numb because I've had that phase and I'm coming out of it now. Since it seems like there is no even medium term hope for the political situation in the UK to improve, I should stop worrying about that so much and think about what I can get involved in helping out with even if it is either small potatoes or, if it just can't happen right now, it can at least have some ground work put down. I've just started doing that lately, still gathering info and applying for things. Also I'm Scottish so I at least have the hope that another independence referendum could happen and extricate me from having to worry about how pathetic the UK is, and focus instead on how much Scotland is loving itself up. So that's how I deal with it.
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 Had an ice cream while staring at the doomsday radar installation. Doesn't really help with the state of things long term but was nice if weird while it happened.
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OG golf ball installation was better  good ice cream choice tho *Edit* thinking on it, between them, tinsley towers and the yorkshire post building in leeds, many of yorkshires preeminent concrete monstrosities have gone DesperateDan fucked around with this message at 18:27 on May 10, 2022 |
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DesperateDan posted:OG golf ball installation was better It is banoffee, and I've never actually seen the golf balls, I think they must have pulled them down before I ever went there.
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Jakabite posted:Are the golf balls gone?! when you see how long it's been you are gonna poo poo
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Jakabite posted:Are the golf balls gone?! Yeah since 1992 apparently, it's a big 3 sided phased array thing now, no mechanics they steer the beam by pulsing across a big sheet of emitters. The radomes are only used for keeping movable antennas out of the rain.
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I saw them a few times when visiting family and it may have been my introduction to the concept of nuclear war as a kid, it was that or an ROC post found on a woodland walk
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They still have golfballs elsewhere, like men with hill.
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Ohhh I’m thinking of different golf balls then! Do love a good radar installation like
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