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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Raimi said he could only put his stamp on a couple of scenes and I would bet 5 bucks that the musical note fight was one of them. If I had to guess which scenes it is: 1. The one you said. 2. The mind fight between Professor X and Scarlett Witch. That scene keeps sticking with me. If we want to include the whole Illumanit fight. 3. Towards the end when Doctor Strange takes over dead Defender Strange. 4. Anything with Bruce Campbell. 5. When Strange, Chavez, and Christine get caught in the tunnel, with the eye close ups. those felt the most Raimi-ish
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Something I noticed about Chavez that seemed different from the comics was that the movie seemed to be setting up some connection between her and the book of Vishanti. The book gives you whatever you need, Chavez's power takes her where she needs to go. There's only one book (I think, since we're told it's kept in the space between universes) and there's only one Chavez. Finally, when the book gets burnt one of the pages is clearly shown with a five pointed star outline lit up as it burns. I was expecting them to reveal at the climax that she was some kind of manifestation of the book, but maybe there setting up for something down the line?
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May 9, 2022 21:09
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The Book of Vishanti was a hilarious wet fart.
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May 9, 2022 21:14
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Mooseontheloose posted:If I had to guess which scenes it is: There was a cool whip pan/Dutch angle shot during the wedding that jumped out.
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May 9, 2022 21:19
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Arglebargle III posted:The Book of Vishanti was a hilarious wet fart. The MCU has a long history of putting in references to major comics plot items that are deep cuts and only nerds would recognize, and then unceremoniously destroying them or subverting the comics expectations. The entire Winter Soldier project all being dead before they even get there, Armin Zola blowing himself up right after he starts to sync up with his comics plot line, the references to Hawkeye turning evil in the comics, the multiple "parents of twins" references to Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver before revealing their parents were nobodies, Thanos referencing death as a person (but, only in a metaphorical way), the Mandarin switcheroo, and the Book of Vishanti melting as soon as they get it are just a few off the top of my head.
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May 9, 2022 21:25
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Slashrat posted:Just came back from watching the movie with some co-workers during an extended lunch break, and I gotta I say I'm utterly baffled that Scott Buck's Inhumans got referenced in a main MCU movie before Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was. I was utterly convinced that even Marvel itself wanted to forget that shitstain of a show existed. Well it wasn't the first MCU show referenced in a movie. The first was Agent Carter because we saw that version of Jarvis (played by James D'Arcy) as Howard Stark's butler in Endgame. Then of course Matt Murdock was in Now Way Home. So Inhumans is the third one to receive an on-screen reference in film. At this point, the only thing I can figure on Agents of SHIELD is that the showrunners spun that entire thing so hard into alternate universes within the show that we may never encounter that cast again. Which is a shame because I'd really like to see Daisy, Fitz, or Simmons get their due. Which reminds me, I still need to suck it up and finish AoS. I never watched the final season because I got so bored with everything from the Framework on.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Raimi said he could only put his stamp on a couple of scenes and I would bet 5 bucks that the musical note fight was one of them. I've heard that Raimi said he wasn't able to get much of himself into this, but I haven't been able to find the interview where he states it. Anybody in this thread know where that is?
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MoM is probably my favorite P4 movie so far and is in my Top 5 favorites of the MCU. It was such a Raimi flick and say whatever you want about the story, the visuals were fantastic. I genuinely laughed out loud at the last after credit, it was great.
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Almost Blue posted:I've heard that Raimi said he wasn't able to get much of himself into this, but I haven't been able to find the interview where he states it. Anybody in this thread know where that is? https://www.slashfilm.com/849139/doctor-strange-2-director-sam-raimi-on-returning-to-marvel-and-the-legacy-of-steve-ditko-interview/ It wasn't so much that he said he couldn't get much of himself into it, but he did point out that it was "softer" then it might have been. quote:"This is an existing series with established characters and a fan base. And the job is to complete mile 16 of a bridge that had been under construction for 15 years. And it takes a different set of skills to do that. It's got to work with what went before. It's got to lead into what's coming. It's got to be handled to hold the same audience expectations that those other films did." quote:"It was always to do justice to that which existed and to make a great experience moving forward and to set up future films. I think just any time a director reads a book or reads the screenplay and tells the crew what the part of it is, that is their style imprint. Just looking at it through the lens of your own mind's eye imparts your style to a piece, and your sense of pace about [how] the scene should run and focusing on what's important and what's dramatic — just those choices. Sticking with the Marvel universe, that really was how I approached it." Also there's some inside baseball stuff in another interview about how his movie's creative team was working with the No Way Home creative team and doing stuff on the fly, so it's entirely possible he used those meetings to work his own stuff in. There's also ANOTHER interview where Raimi describes Marvel as a "well oiled machine that makes blockbuster superhero movies" or thereabouts and he was shocked at how 'together' it was. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 23:04 on May 9, 2022 |
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PantsBandit posted:Krasinski is kind of perfect as Reeds the more I think about it. I felt mildly annoyed at his presence the whole time which is pretty accurate. Nah this is who should be Reed  And no weird CIA association too!
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Rarity posted:Reed Richards has been in 3 movies in the last 20 years and a big part of the hype around Marvel regaining the FOX properties was that they'd finally do the Fantastic Four justice Wanda never apologized about the town in Wandavision. It ended with her embittered and angry about what she had to give up.
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Arglebargle III posted:The Book of Vishanti was a hilarious wet fart. I loved that the holder for it looked like a Christmas tree topper.
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Mooseontheloose posted:If I had to guess which scenes it is: Raimi said he was able to affect every scene in the movie actually. That bit about him only having a veto over 2 scenes is some fan to fan monkeycheese stuff
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May 9, 2022 23:52
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Rumor has it that the director of the movie actually directed the movie
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:None of those people were part of the original comics Illuminati. They apparently did plan a Black Panther cameo, but that didn't happen for obvious reasons. Winston Duke as Black Panther would've been too good for this movie.
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Shageletic posted:Raimi said he was able to affect every scene in the movie actually. That bit about him only having a veto over 2 scenes is some fan to fan monkeycheese stuff Link?
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I feel like the big thing I've seen people complain about with this movie is it doing Wanda "dirty" and I just can't bring myself to care. She was such a boring character, and her turn as a straight up villain is way more entertaining.
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This is what they’ve been setting up so I’m not sure either. What made Wandavision some waht interesting was they let her kind of be a villain. But then half walked it back. This one was the best she’s ever been.
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It was a twitter post. I'll see if I can find it.
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I don't really get it as a criticism either. How is it doing a character dirty when you make them the best villain an MCU movie has ever had?
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Imagine going from Girl In Jeans to the loving witch-terminator and calling it a downgrade.
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She was desexualized and actually has an agenda that doesn't revolve around a husband or boyfriend, that has to be how they 'did her dirty'.
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Well don't get too crazy, her entire motivation is still about being a mother. edit: I laughed when alt Wanda was depossessed and her first line was "the BOYS! I've gotta get back to the BOYS" Metis of the Chat Thread fucked around with this message at 08:00 on May 10, 2022 |
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MoM, made for a really good Mother's Day movie. IMAX theatre was packed with families.
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I thought the ending of Wandavision sucked poo poo so I'm eternally grateful to this film for just going all out making Wanda a kickass Terminator-esque villain and then killing her off instead of trying to do some awkward redemption arc. It's a credit to Elizabeth Olsen's portrayal that she still manages to generate significant amounts of pathos, particularly in the last scenes where she realises "her" children are terrified of her.
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I'm sure i'm the first person to say this... Is there a universe where this movie wasnt hot garbage
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Vilgefartz posted:I'm sure i'm the first person to say this... Yes, you are the first person to say that, and you know it.
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Vilgefartz posted:I'm sure i'm the first person to say this... Yes this one. Boom, roasted. Also, I think the whole doing Wanda dirty thing is that fact people wanted her to be redeemed and not turn into psycho crazy woman. An uncharitable analysis would read it as her not being able to control her emotions because she is a women who can't control her emotions and no one wanting to listen to her. People want their favorite characters to be avatars for good and having Wanda go full on villain probably makes people uncomfortable.
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Metis of the Hallways posted:I don't really get it as a criticism either. How is it doing a character dirty when you make them the best villain an MCU movie has ever had? Also Marvel has completely given up on doing coherent character progression (like how Tony goes from "build lots of robots to fix things" -> "oh no, I dont need loads of robots" -> "build lots of robots to fix things" -> "oh no, I don't need loads of robots" etc etc) or the implied romance between Widow and Hawkeye being thrown out the window in favour of a romance between Widow and Banner which also gets largely thrown out the window. So I've given up on expecting them to do it. Yeah, Wanda in the movie seems like a bit of a leap from Wanda in the show. But show Wanda's character arc was a whole load of nothing, and movie Wanda loving owned. So that's a win for movie Wanda.
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Wanda in this is more terrifying than anything else I've seen in the entire MCU (not exactly stiff competition) and owned hard. The movie owned hard in general.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Yes this one. Boom, roasted. Fortunately, the MCU has lots of other women heroes so just having one go batshit crazy doesn't come across as sexist. Well, not lots. Two others. Well, one still alive. Still!
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Angry Salami posted:Fortunately, the MCU has lots of other women heroes so just having one go batshit crazy doesn't come across as sexist. Lucky for us they're introducing women by the binder-full in the disney+ series. Now we got ladyhawk, black widow's sister, girl loki, photon, and more are coming. We also got a new one in this movie.
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At least for me they 'did her dirty' by offing her kind of abruptly at the end. Loved everything before that. Like, we don't see her die, sure, but within this movie it just didn't feel like she had an appropriate send-off after this much build up. Was there what, 3 lines of dialogue between when she realized that her boys were scared of her and she decided to destroy the darkhold tower? After being in the films so long, and having a whole tv show, just felt abrupt to have her decide suicide-by-destroying-evil-mcguffin was the only solution. It's a dang shame they have this great villain but then have her die at the end. Keep her around to ally with Kang or something. quote:Also, I think the whole doing Wanda dirty thing is that fact people wanted her to be redeemed and not turn into psycho crazy woman. An uncharitable analysis would read it as her not being able to control her emotions because she is a women who can't control her emotions and no one wanting to listen to her. People want their favorite characters to be avatars for good and having Wanda go full on villain probably makes people uncomfortable. I mean, they do redeem her through the action of destroying the evil mcguffin, which saves all the universes. And while I'm cool with the plot being 'I want mah boys', it's still weird that Vision is only mentioned in passing.
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Shageletic posted:It was a twitter post. I'll see if I can find it. Yeah until then I’m not gonna believe this random hearsay. The source can’t just be “trust me on this one dawg”
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yeah until then I’m not gonna believe this random hearsay. The source can’t just be “trust me on this one dawg” I've gotta say, maybe you're putting the burden of proof on the wrong side of this one dawg. Directors usually get to direct, the idea that rami didn't get to direct the movie he was the director for seems kinda out there to me, not sure why you need citations for the idea that rami actually got to direct the movie they hired him to direct. My understanding here is that most of the action sequences requiring VFX were storyboarded out in previs before being shipped to the tens of VFX houses that assembled the shots. Rami only had so much he could do within those set-pieces, and was commenting on how that's a different way of making movies than he's used to. I don't know how you can look at the finished product and say "No, I need evidence that Rami was involved in this movie at all!" because his influence was clearly dripping over most of the scenes.
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The World Inferno posted:
I mean sort of she also killed lots of innocent people (and I guess the Illumaniti) and fixed a problem she created herself. though it gets weird for me cause does the Darkhold corrupt her or was she already corrupted, kinda like Arthus and the Frostmorne.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Yeah until then I’m not gonna believe this random hearsay. The source can’t just be “trust me on this one dawg” Cool
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He literally says that this took a different skillset and compared it to finishing a bridge that was over 90% done. But you also can watch the movie and do the Leo Point thing and say "that's a-Raimi!" pretty frequently so overall I'd say he managed to do a good job and get his directorial fingerprints on there. Sam Raimi Rocks!
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