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fool of sound posted:Not if she's God's side piece This was probably meant as a joke but it's actually one of the reasons given by the Catholic Church: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/why-marys-perpetual-virginity-matters quote:The virgin birth—and Mary’s perpetual virginity—are signs of Mary’s total consecration to God, single-minded service to him, and utter abandonment to his will.
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Twelve by Pies posted:This was probably meant as a joke but it's actually one of the reasons given by the Catholic Church: Mods change my name to God Goomah.
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Twelve by Pies posted:This was probably meant as a joke but it's actually one of the reasons given by the Catholic Church: lol no I was completely serious, my grandparents spent years trying to convince me to be catholic
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Kellies Nomination: Worst "A Thing Happened"
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:But she was married! I thought that was like the one time a Christian woman was allowed to enjoy sex sin free! Like a lot of catholic stuff it's some weirdo Greek philosophy which got ported in and has to do with how only a pure perfect vessel can give birth to a perfect god so not only was she born without original sin (immaculate conception), she never sinned her whole life and also didn't do other dirty worldly things like gently caress or die
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May 11, 2022 03:20
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I've never found aspects of Christianity like the Virgin Mary to be confusing or contradictory if only because the Christian God is omnipotent and omniscient and at that level of power you can just do stuff like that if you want to.
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Nick Anderson Clay Bennett  Lisa Benson  Tim Campbell  Jeff Danziger  Matt Davies  John Deering  Al Goodwyn  Bob Gorrell  Joe Heller  Clay Jones  Henry Payne  Joel Pett  Rob Rogers  Jen Sorensen  Jeff Stahler  Tom Stiglich  Gary Varvel  Matt Wuerker  Tony Branco  quote:Blast From the Past: Biden has brought us back to the carter days High gas prices, rising interest rates, and inflation.
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May 11, 2022 04:05
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Raised By Birds posted:Al Goodwyn ...yeah, okay, and all the other lower court decisions and Constitutional checks that led to that decision are what, nothing at all?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I've never found aspects of Christianity like the Virgin Mary to be confusing or contradictory if only because the Christian God is omnipotent and omniscient and at that level of power you can just do stuff like that if you want to. Yeah but it's people making up these doctrines not god so it is actually an interesting question why one sect believes one set of dogmas about say how the Virgin Mary works and others believe the opposite. Protestants generally don't believe Mary didn't gently caress or that god just swept her up to heaven alive, so "cuz god wanted it that way" isn't actually an answer to where that belief comes from and how and why catholics reasoned that way
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May 11, 2022 04:27
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Raised By Birds posted:Al Goodwyn
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Raised By Birds posted:Al Goodwyn Ah, I see we've switched back to "America is a democracy not a republic".
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Raised By Birds posted:
A good cartoon. The right to abortion should be encoded in law, women's (or anyone's) rights shouldn't be depended on a court ruling than can be overturned.
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May 11, 2022 06:19
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah but it's people making up these doctrines not god so it is actually an interesting question why one sect believes one set of dogmas about say how the Virgin Mary works and others believe the opposite. It's an interesting question how these doctrines arose, yes. I'm just responding to the idea that perpetual virginity or whatever it's called is some inconceivable (no pun intending) illogical thing. I mean it obviously is from a rational, scientific standpoint, but I'm not particularly interested in that line of thinking about it because there's no real productive conversation to be had that doesn't end in Monty Python's argument sketch.
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May 11, 2022 06:26
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Brawnfire posted:...yeah, okay, and all the other lower court decisions and Constitutional checks that led to that decision are what, nothing at all? Also the 1973 decision was that people should be allowed decide for themselves. For some reason the cartoonist is falsely portraying them as equivalent.
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Also the will of the people is largely ignored by the government anyway. People weren’t fighting for a federal law securing abortion rights to be passed because it was already secured by Roe v Wade. People have been pissed that abortion access has slowly been stripped in countless places over the years but have been unable to do much about it because the lawmakers don’t actually give a gently caress about what the people want
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Rall: Wars Make Bad Badfellows Ted Rall posted:Many Americans are skeptical about military support for Ukraine given that country’s dismal human rights record and autocratic political system. One might also wonder why any other country would want to get into a relationship with the United States. First Dog on the Moon: So many unreleased 'secret' government reports! How much worse could everything be? 
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Raised By Birds posted:Gary Varvel I love how all the other Scary Leftists are yelling and looting and holding torches but all he does to make AOC threatening is just have her standing there being brown and existing
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And also that they're trying to charge the narrative to "it's the left that carries torches."
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Torches ARE threatening? I thought they were just light
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lmao they're literally just protesting, how loving dangerous he didn't even draw one of them punching anyone or throwing a molotov, just a picket sign of a molotov
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May 11, 2022 12:59
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One of them does have a tv, and they're standing in front of a burning building.
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Also beyond those that just have group names on them, there are five actual expressed ideologies on their signs: 1. Student loan forgiveness/social welfare spending 2. "Keep Abortion Legal" 3. Spend less on cops 4. Let more immigrants immigrate 5. Environmentally friendly energy plan yeah drat what threatening and violent ideologies of pure danger how can the harmless right wing goals like actual genocide compete
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May 11, 2022 13:07
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the_steve posted:Kellies Nomination: Worst "A Thing Happened"
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I always thought the (non-theological) reason Mary had to be a virgin was the Catholic Church is a political organization and saying non one can claim to be related to Jesus helps maintain the hierarchy.
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Ulta posted:I always thought the (non-theological) reason Mary had to be a virgin was the Catholic Church is a political organization and saying non one can claim to be related to Jesus helps maintain the hierarchy. That's the first explanation I've heard that makes total sense to me. According to the Bible Jesus had four brothers and at least two sisters (maybe more, they didn't really keep track of women so good back then) that's a whole lot of people potential usurpers to the Pope throne could claim to be related to. If you're trying to maintain power best to discredit those blood ties as much as possible.
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Interesting although the early church wasn't led by the pope, but by a pentarchy of equal patriarchs of important cities (well the bishop of rome argued he should be above the others and they disagreed which led to... problems), although I suppose the same political considerations would apply. Not sure how important that would be to the popes though who claimed their power based on being the successors to Peter whom Jesus put in charge of the Church in the Bible, his other brothers weren't very important, being related to Mary doesn't make them related to God, and God's favor wasn't inherited anyway. Also Paul says the best thing is to be celibate but if you have to gently caress be married I guess, so arguing that favor is inherited is kinda weird anyway because then loving is required. Of course claiming that Mary never hosed is one of the ways the importance of celibacy is justified and reinforced so in that sense it does protect the church hierarchy from people claiming to be related to Jesus or whoever VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 17:43 on May 11, 2022 |
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Heck until the council of Nikeah big J wasn't necessarily more than a mortal prophet!I A whole lot changed from the early church.
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If one is to ascribe a political motive I think just as strongly as a hypothetical nephew of Jesus you also have the Church needing to create a justification for clerical celibacy. There really isn't one in the canon New Testament, but they still want to avoid priests having kids to avoid dynastic parishes. The early Church up through the middle ages had a great deal of trouble securing the ability to appoint priests to important locations, and a priest having a kid to take over is a direct threat to that. Hence the Investiture Controversy which took place at the same time clerical celibacy became a strict rule in the Catholic Church instead of a preference. While kings and other nobles appointing priests was a bigger threat to institutional power than priests having kids, both were the source of similar problems.
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 Guardian:  "Ben Jennings on the questioning of Keir Starmer over ‘Beergate’ gathering – The Labour leader has said he would resign if issued with a fixed-penalty notice in relation to event in Durham last year" Telegraph:  Matt:  In pictures: The glorious pomp and ceremony of the Queen’s Speech and State Opening of Parliament Independent:  Queen’s Speech: Why does the crown have its own car? Times:  Evening Standard:  Michael Gove rules out Emergency Budget despite cost-of-living crisis
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Trapezium Dave posted:Rall: Wars Make Bad Badfellows Kellies Nomination: Overall Worst Kellies Nomination: Worst Cartoon (Ukraine)
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Raised By Birds posted:Al Goodwyn Kellies Nomination: Worst Overall, Worst False Equivalency, Worst Cartoon about Roe v Wade
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Jedit posted:Worst Cartoon (Ukraine) Excellent idea, Jedit. Folks, please do nominate other worst cartoons about the russian invasion.
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Raised By Birds posted:Tony Branco I know that the Obama logo on Biden's shirt is supposed to be the equivalent of the Obama teleprompter, but it's not the same. It's not the same! You could have drawn the teleprompter sticking up over his shoulder! You can't just drop one of the Holy Symbols like that! VitalSigns posted:Yeah but it's people making up these doctrines not god so it is actually an interesting question why one sect believes one set of dogmas about say how the Virgin Mary works and others believe the opposite. Catholics rely heavily on tradition and a lot of the early Church fathers did support the idea of Mary being a perpetual virgin, so the idea is "Look, these guys who founded the Church believed this, so it's gotta be true." And as already mentioned, part of it is to give a biblical justification for priests being celibate. Since Protestants don't care quite as much about what the early Church fathers believed and also don't believe that church leaders need to be celibate, there's little reason for them to believe in Mary being a perpetual virgin. Translation also probably has something to do with it too, for a couple of reasons. One is the talk about Jesus' brothers and sisters in English, which seems pretty self-explanatory, although Catholics will talk about the original texts and say "the word used is for any close family member, so they must have been his cousins/siblings in law from another marriage of Joseph's." The second is that Matthew 1:24-25 says " When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife, but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus." To Protestants, the use of the word "until" implies that they had sex after Jesus was born. Catholics usually respond by talking about a verse from (I think) Maccabees (which Protestants don't recognize as canon, but anyway) where God says something like "I am, even until you grow old." And that the use of the word "until" there doesn't imply God stopped existing once that person turned old.
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Discendo Vox posted:Excellent idea, Jedit. Folks, please do nominate other worst cartoons about the russian invasion. I already did a russia cartoon nom, heck gosh dang
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Jedit, I can't get over how original and wonderful your nomination idea is. You're doing a real service to the forums with these innovative kellies nom ideas. I wish other people around here would pull their weight like you do. You're just so kawaii.
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I went back to January 24th... Jesus gently caress there's a lot going on. Basically every Branco cartoon since then to begin with.
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 The story cartoons are about today: Albanese sparks political storm by backing wage rise to match inflation (SMH). Albanese said he would like to see the minimum wage rise to match inflation (5.1%, so about an extra dollar from A$20.33 to A$21.37 per hour). Scott Morrison has pounced on this and called Albanese a "loose unit" who doesn't understand economics. It has provided a clear difference between the two on wages. Pope:  The Fair Work Commission is the body that actually sets the minimum wage; the government only provides arguments for what they would like them to do. The FWC is meant to be independent but the current government has been stacking it with former Liberal MPs. Rowe:  Shakespeare:  Wilcox:  Lethbridge:  Leak, Son of Leak: 
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