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Spermando posted:I don't watch a lot of Marvel stuff, especially the TV shows. Has the multiverse always existed or did it only come into being after the events in Loki? It's always existed but bursted out of control in Loki.
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BRJurgis posted:As much as Cap's final appearance was the biggest (and personally only) plot hole in the MCU, I don't think Wanda's arc could have happened if he was still around. Caps all about being strong for others and not giving up on them, and he was always shown as a positive influence on her. My response to that is "Because they're busy doing other poo poo that's at least as important to them as what this is." BRJurgis posted:I wonder what interesting scene could have occurred if he was in the illuminati Wanda confronted? I have no doubt about what MoM wanda would do, but it could have served to highlight and accelerate her "change". Well, figure for one thing he'd have probably had them attack her as a group instead of in easily murderable ones and twos. Secondly let's consider that at least some of this is on both Cap, Hawkeye and Tony Stark. Maybe instead of recruiting Wanda into continuing with the Avengers they could have, I don't know, helped get into a community college, get a job and set her up with a grief counselor she'd have found some kind of social support network instead of constantly being put in a position of having exactly one person at any given time doing that until they got killed BRJurgis posted:Yeah! Also people are upset about Wanda backsliding from (what others but not me saw as) redemption or healing at the end of wandavision, but I think it makes perfect sense and there is a parallel with strange there too. In dr strange 1 he consciously accepts that "its not all about him", yet MoM explores his innate and human tendency to still be self focused. He's fooling others and perhaps himself about being over Christine, and makes her wedding about him (nevermind alt-strange's actions!) Even his willingness to sacrifice for the greater good is about HIS role in making that choice and his arc was internalizing relinquishing his self centered tendencies. Your post highlighted why he was able to do it more successfully than Wanda.... sometimes. Ome thing I will point out is at the end of WandaVision while she's astrally studying the Darkhold, we can hear the voices of her kids call for her to help them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgiN9-x1oD0 I think we can take that to mean that the Darkhold was starting to gently caress with her mind at that point.
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Grimdude posted:I don't visit any media related threads until after I've seen whatever it is. Is there a Marvel movie you would say that did a much better job with the above? To me, it seemed like a fun iteration of the Marvel formula, with a villain that was actually the best part of the movie.
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May 11, 2022 22:10
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BRJurgis posted:an endless loop of time displaced caps having super soldier sex with endlessly satisfied agent carters.
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May 11, 2022 22:12
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Shageletic posted:Is there a Marvel movie you would say that did a much better job with the above? To me, it seemed like a fun iteration of the Marvel formula, with a villain that was actually the best part of the movie. MoM is fun but it definitely feels like a homework movie. It's even got a hero mentoring a kid like Civil War had.
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May 11, 2022 22:15
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Uh having her hang with a robot she has a crush on is the best therapy for crimes
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May 11, 2022 22:22
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live with fruit posted:MoM is fun but it definitely feels like a homework movie. It's even got a hero mentoring a kid like Civil War had. The mentor-teenager stuff is half-baked, but, come on, it's not a cap-and-sunglasses Marvel movie.
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May 11, 2022 22:26
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Spermando posted:The mentor-teenager stuff is half-baked, but, come one, it's not a cap-and-sunglasses Marvel movie. The cosmic stuff can be homework too. And I actually miss the hats and glasses stuff. Need a grounded palate cleanser between wild cosmic revelations.
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Spermando posted:I don't watch a lot of Marvel stuff, especially the TV shows. Has the multiverse always existed or did it only come into being after the events in Loki? Yes. Also no. Theoretically the TVA has "always" existed outside time to police unwanted branches, but this movie doesn't regard any of that, so effectively there's always been a multiverse. I assumed there was going to be some wrinkle where the Infinity Stones insulated a given timeline from incursions, and Strange's choice to let Thanos destroy them opened the floodgates. But they didn't do that, either. There's just always been a multiverse, as far as this movie is concerned. The canon doesn't matter. Charlize Theron's character in the post-credits scene is apparently an unrelated multiverse violation watchdog. There are a lot of them, I guess. Dimensional cops all the way down.
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Well, the TVA isn't actually keeping the multiverse in check, they're just looking for specific deviations and what you're suppose do intuit is that it exists to stop Kang and in particular his omnicidal dimension conquering variants from existing and breaking the whole thing wide open. That's why the Avengers (and an infinite number of other universes) get a pass, they don't gently caress up the one thing. I could be wrong but I think you're meant to go "wait, this doesn't make sense" at the beginning and then Johnathan Majors is supposed to make it make sense, but doesn't really.
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Xealot posted:Theoretically the TVA has "always" existed outside time to police unwanted branches, but this movie doesn't regard any of that, so effectively there's always been a multiverse. Even if the nature of the MCU changed when Loki met He Who Remains, there was never a "when" that the change took place, since it happened across the entire timeline, beginning to end. In practical terms, there's nowhere outside of "always" where anyone in the MCU could stand and see the difference.
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Spermando posted:The mentor-teenager stuff is half-baked, but, come on, it's not a cap-and-sunglasses Marvel movie. I was just thinking, it's been a while. Shang-chi and Black Widow had some hat movie elements but otherwise they and all other recent entries have been up in the sky.
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Mameluke posted:I was just thinking, it's been a while. Shang-chi and Black Widow had some hat movie elements but otherwise they and all other recent entries have been up in the sky. Hawkeye is a nice simple show about Clint trying to cover up all the murders he committed during the Blip.
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Upsidads posted:Uh having her hang with a robot she has a crush on is the best therapy for crimes Honestly I think that the so-called "616" version of Wanda is actually dead and that the Wanda going forward will be the one from the Illumi-be-dead-as-Hell universe. Maybe when she got dream-walked on, Mom(as in mother)-Wanda got "infected" with 616ness or whatever so to prevent a possible incursion she and will have to move universes (probably without her kids but who knows). Which means that Mom-Wanda will inherit the fallout of all the poo poo 616-Wanda did. Figure Mom-Wanda will probably have the same general power level she had around Civil War but more experience controlling it. However, the possibility that she might eventually go "full Scarlet" will be an ever-present concern. 616-Wanda dying at the Darkhold temple also gives us a reason why Agatha Harkness will be free again.
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Even if 616 Wanda is 100% dead she has brought herself back to life multiple (I can think of one definitely, one maybe) times in the comics.
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I can't wait for people to get sick of the complicated multiverse so we can have Crisis on Infinity Earths movie where they destroy them all 
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Everyone posted:Honestly I think that the so-called "616" version of Wanda is actually dead and that the Wanda going forward will be the one from the Illumi-be-dead-as-Hell universe. Maybe when she got dream-walked on, Mom(as in mother)-Wanda got "infected" with 616ness or whatever so to prevent a possible incursion she and will have to move universes (probably without her kids but who knows). Which means that Mom-Wanda will inherit the fallout of all the poo poo 616-Wanda did. Figure Mom-Wanda will probably have the same general power level she had around Civil War but more experience controlling it. However, the possibility that she might eventually go "full Scarlet" will be an ever-present concern. 616-Wanda dying at the Darkhold temple also gives us a reason why Agatha Harkness will be free again. This is the problem with the Secret Wars storyline everyone thinks they're gonna do. We don't know anybody in the other universes so who cares? Unless they put mustaches on everyone and have good and evil versions of Thor and Ant-Man and everything but they kind of played that card by making Wanda evil.
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I'd rather Wanda face what she's done and not be replaced by Other Wanda.
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live with fruit posted:This is the problem with the Secret Wars storyline everyone thinks they're gonna do. We don't know anybody in the other universes so who cares? Unless they put mustaches on everyone and have good and evil versions of Thor and Ant-Man and everything but they kind of played that card by making Wanda evil. I don't think they had much of a choice about turning 616-Wanda evil(or at least antagonistic). I mean, think about trying to write a movie with Six Stones Infinity Gauntlet Thanos as a superhero. WTF could you bring to bear to realistically give him a challenge? They made the point pretty well that in the end the only person who could stop 616-Wanda was herself.
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live with fruit posted:This is the problem with the Secret Wars storyline everyone thinks they're gonna do. We don't know anybody in the other universes so who cares? Unless they put mustaches on everyone and have good and evil versions of Thor and Ant-Man and everything but they kind of played that card by making Wanda evil. sounds like a job for non MCU Marvel actors
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https://www.ign.com/articles/doctor-strange-2-elizabeth-olsen-frustrated-by-lost-opportunities-due-to-mcu?utm_source=syndication Let her do more work
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Admiralty Flag posted:So was there no Ted Raimi at all in this movie? I sort of thought the main voice of the spirits that became the cloak sounded like his character from Evil Dead 2, but it's been years since I've seen that movie and could be totally off base. I also wanted a Ted Raimi experience. I wish Gilbert Gottfried was still alive. I'd have liked for them to visit a universe where Strange's cloak can talk and it's Gilbert's voice going "HOLY poo poo WHAT THE gently caress IS GOING ON? gently caress gently caress gently caress!" But yes, PG13 I know.
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Spermando posted:I don't watch a lot of Marvel stuff, especially the TV shows. Has the multiverse always existed or did it only come into being after the events in Loki? It came into existence when Disney bought out Fox so they could put the X-Men and Deadpool in their movies.
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CelticPredator posted:https://www.ign.com/articles/doctor-strange-2-elizabeth-olsen-frustrated-by-lost-opportunities-due-to-mcu?utm_source=syndication What a weirdly written article. It says Olsen was frustrated by her contractual obligations taking away roles she would've liked, but is down to do more Marvel movies lol (if the story is good and doesn't require a 3-picture deal). What angle are they trying to frame? They make it sound as if she despised her contract and wanted out.
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I think that’s fair. She doesn’t hate marvrl she just wants to be able to have freedom. Doing one good marvel movie instead of contracted for 3 more sounds better.
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Yeah I guess so. IGN tryna stir poo poo up with that headline though lol. MAX CPM BAYBEE!!!!
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Olson's team pressing for more pay Better than most mcu movies, reserved raimi still better than no raimi
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MacheteZombie posted:Olson's team pressing for more pay Pretty much, everyone saw the scarjo fiasco and redeal.
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MacheteZombie posted:Olson's team pressing for more pay bushisms.txt posted:Pretty much, everyone saw the scarjo fiasco and redeal. Lol, good point. I didn't even consider that. Everyone's talking about Olsen's performance too. Expert capitalization.
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Olsen was just talking about all the ideas she has for Wanda. She's not trying to leave. She probably wants that Downey re-up.
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teagone posted:Lol, good point. I didn't even consider that. Everyone's talking about Olsen's performance too. Expert capitalization. I don't know. I think it really is more about her wanting the freedom to do arthouse/indie/non-Marvel/Disney stuff. If she really wanted to live rich, she could go hang out with her older sisters on the private continent they bought with all that Olsen twins money. IIRC they're worth a little north of $2 Billion.
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im gonna have to state again for the record that Lady Cap kicked butt and was a million times more tough than Chris Evans
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precision posted:im gonna have to state again for the record that Lady Cap kicked butt and was a million times more tough than Chris Evans You should watch the first "What If" episode that has her just murking the hell out of Nazis.
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precision posted:im gonna have to state again for the record that Lady Cap kicked butt and was a million times more tough than Chris Evans Time to give Atwell another show.
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bushisms.txt posted:Pretty much, everyone saw the scarjo fiasco and redeal. This, but Natalie Portman. Olsen's saying that she won't come back just to be Wanda Maximoff, Lightshow Girl when she can get a challenging role, but if they change it up and give her some growth she'll do it.
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CelticPredator posted:https://www.ign.com/articles/doctor-strange-2-elizabeth-olsen-frustrated-by-lost-opportunities-due-to-mcu?utm_source=syndication The lobster? Really dude? Lmao okay!
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I see a lot of people talking about it, but I didn't have much issue with Wanda suddenly becoming super evil or her simple motivations. Nor do I care about her getting a power boost, but the problem is that said power boost is inconsistent. The moment someone gains the power to turn people into spaghett you have to give a reason why they are not turning everyone into spaghett When Thanos did something similar in Infinity War they showed the power had an effective range which reverted once he teleported away and he had to close his fist to do it, something that is noted by the heroes and abused in the 2nd and 3rd act to prevent him from using said power. So while that scene looked cool, after it happened all I could keep thinking about was why was Wanda not having "Dr. Strange ricciolli" with Timmy and Tommy
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