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Ommin posted:This is really interesting. How does this work for foreigners and their children? And considering the tone of the previous posts, is it difficult for foreign families to assimilate? My father has US citizenship but my mother is Icelandic. They kind of got around giving me a US-friendly name by giving me 2 first names and only registering the Icelandic one, so my full name on my passport is [US friendly 1st name] [Icelandic legal name] [Patronym] [Surname] while my birth certificate only has [Icelandic legal name] [Patronym]. This is something that you could get away with in the 1980s, not sure about these days.
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Alhazred posted:In 1782 jews in Austria were forced to get surnames in order to be tolerated (the law was literally called the Edict of Tolerance). Which is why many jews today have german names. The protected surname cutoff in Denmark is 2000 persons, but I don't see anything in the current law about being able to ask for permission. You definitely used to be able to do that though (however impractical it could be). We also have a list of approved given names, but it's possible to get permission for an unlisted name as long as it is appropriate, etc. I remember reading that the name Anus (male) was rejected. You can't be named something that's appropriate for the opposite sex (unless it's a unisex name), however, "persons who are transexual or plainly equivalent" (this includes nb, etc) are excepted from that rule. I guess this is to avoid parents naming a female child John at birth. If the child grows up and takes the name, that's afaik fine. Approved name lists are here: https://familieretshuset.dk/navne/navne/navnelister
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May 12, 2022 13:09
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Finnish name law is also fairly strict (translation mine from KOTUS):quote:The name law So yeah, no Gaylord Hitler Napoleons here either.
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May 12, 2022 13:21
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what do people have against gaylords
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ChubbyChecker posted:what do people have against gaylords Sounds like you've never suffered under gayserfdom.
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ChubbyChecker posted:what do people have against gaylords They’re fragile and a pain to move around the shop.
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There was a thing recently where a British-Icelandic couple had their kids’ passports suddenly revoked after previously being allowed to use illegal names: Duncan and Harriet. The law not only blocks Gaylord Weed Hitler, but most common names outside Iceland.
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Probably the name Gaylord could actually be approved in Denmark, since it is a real name, but I don't know if it already is (the website is having problems). At present, nobody has the name, though. Bitsch as a middle or surname isn't uncommon.
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In an apartment building where I lived in Germany the nameplate on one of the apartments identified the residents as "Bitsch & Pfister".
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Carthag Tuek posted:The protected surname cutoff in Denmark is 2000 persons, but I don't see anything in the current law about being able to ask for permission. You definitely used to be able to do that though (however impractical it could be). quote:I remember reading that the name Anus (male) was rejected. My mother almost named me Ananias. Talk about dogding a loving bullet.
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May 12, 2022 14:30
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Alhazred posted:My mother had to do that because she wanted to use a surname that had fallen out of use in my family and had become a protected surname. My dad wanted to name me Sputnik Gagarin Lastname. Thank Satan my mom and the norwegian government were not onboard.
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Biplane posted:My dad wanted to name me Sputnik Gagarin Lastname. Thank Satan my mom and the norwegian government were not onboard. ok challenger
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May 12, 2022 14:48
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To be fair, Lastname is a pretty stupid name.
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Biplane posted:My dad wanted to name me Sputnik Gagarin Lastname. Thank Satan my mom and the norwegian government were not onboard. that name rules. probably not as a kid tho. Alhazred posted:My mother had to do that because she wanted to use a surname that had fallen out of use in my family and had become a protected surname. that sucks. i think you get an exception from the protected surname rule if its been in use anywhere back to your great-great-grandparents Alhazred posted:My mother almost named me Ananias. Talk about dogding a loving bullet. Ananas går bananas!
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Carthag Tuek posted:
That was pretty much my aunt and my dad's arguments against the name and thankfully they prevailed.
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Biplane posted:My dad wanted to name me Sputnik Gagarin Lastname. Thank Satan my mom and the norwegian government were not onboard. But think of the life you could have led with a name like that! Namely, being a science fiction future detective in a children's book series
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Alhazred posted:That was pretty much my aunt and my dad's arguments against the name and thankfully they prevailed. If you go by the old naming-after-relatives traditions, my mom should've been named Apollonia. Problem is, in Danish that is rendered as Abelone = Monkey-Lone (where Lone is a normal name). My grandma managed to find another appropriate female relative with less awful name to name mom after. She only revealed why she nixed it decades later (after Abelone was long gone), lol
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Asterite34 posted:But think of the life you could have led with a name like that! Namely, being a science fiction future detective in a children's book series Very true, if I managed to survive the inevitable childhood bullying I would have been invincible
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May 12, 2022 15:34
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I was supposed to be Dušan (translates to... uh, Soulful? Soul Man?) but my dad changed his mind on the way to the registrar. My mom was beyond pissed. However! Bullet dodged 15 years later when we moved to the US, as that would have been pronounced "Douche-Ann" which... yeah.
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Great-grandfather immigrated from Greece in 1916. He took the name "John William". Since then, my dad was named William John and my older brother is named John William. I broke that stupid streak by being the second child and by virtue of the fact that my brother is unlikely to ever reproduce. I did not name my son after my chud father.
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That's weird, my family did that with Charles William and William Charles, which I also broke the streak of by being neither. I didn't know that was a thing other people did!
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D34THROW posted:Great-grandfather immigrated from Greece in 1916. He took the name "John William". Since then, my dad was named William John and my older brother is named John William. I broke that stupid streak by being the second child and by virtue of the fact that my brother is unlikely to ever reproduce. I did not name my son after my chud father. or maybe John John
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Brawnfire posted:That's weird, my family did that with Charles William and William Charles, which I also broke the streak of by being neither. It used to be pretty much mandatory in Denmark (my great-3 grandfather had the exact 100% same name as his brother, because they were each named for a different grandfather), but kinda died out in the decades around 1900 (lots of people moving around, starting fresh, etc), but it's coming back in a minor way with people looking to their great-grandparents' generation for names.
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Trabant posted:I was supposed to be Dušan (translates to... uh, Soulful? Soul Man?) but my dad changed his mind on the way to the registrar. My mom was beyond pissed. Definitely bully dodged as I grew up with a Dusko (pronounced douche-ko) and that poor kid was teased mercilessly (as kids do) once kids got old enough and learned what douche and douching (?) is
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When my great great grandfather came over to America, he didn’t know English very well. Being a Jew, he didn’t really understand when the ship’s registrar asked what his last name was. He didn’t have one. Apparently the question ‘how does a stranger know you’ was a little confusing, so he said ‘Everyone knows I’m Leah’s son’. So our last name translates to Leah’s son. Could be worse.
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Domus posted:When my great great grandfather came over to America, he didn’t know English very well. Being a Jew, he didn’t really understand when the ship’s registrar asked what his last name was. He didn’t have one. Apparently the question ‘how does a stranger know you’ was a little confusing, so he said ‘Everyone knows I’m Leah’s son’. So our last name translates to Leah’s son. Could be worse. Most last names are more or less random. One of my ancestors for example was a miller so he picked "The Grinder" as his last name.
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I've always liked how, if a surname was descriptive for the first person in your family to receive it, (e.g. Miller, Carpenter, Smith), how many of them are straight up insults. Even more than I realized if this article is accurate.quote:Blackinthemouth, Wiselheade (Weaselhead), Broadgirdel, Giddyhead, Druncard (Drunkard), Sot, Badneighbor, Bastard, Devil, Hellicate (Hellcat), Gabbers, Piggesflesh and Hoggesflesh are among these surnames, some of which are prefaced with the Norman le (meaning “the). The meanings of other surnames are not as easily apparent, such as Gadling or Gedling (a gossiper), Bugg (uncouth or weird), le Burgulian (the braggart), le Crump (a crooked back), Haine (wretched), Turk (rowdy), Clapp (obese) and Luske (slothful). Two Irish examples are Crotty (hunchback) and Fogarty (an outlaw or someone who has been banished).
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Imagined posted:I've always liked how, if a surname was descriptive for the first person in your family to receive it, (e.g. Miller, Carpenter, Smith), how many of them are straight up insults. Even more than I realized if this article is accurate. My favorites were Blakeballocks and Gildenballocks. Nicknames were not always flattering, it's just how most people knew you. Cruikshanks means crooked legs, and that one's still around!
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barbecue at the folks posted:Finnish name law is also fairly strict (translation mine from KOTUS): Napoleon is allowed. At least as a first name. There's a RUK valedictorian with that name.
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Bonster posted:My favorites were Blakeballocks and Gildenballocks. Nicknames were not always flattering, it's just how most people knew you. Cruikshanks means crooked legs, and that one's still around!  Didn't Rowling describe Hermione's cat Crookshanks as bowlegged?
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I mean, almost every name in Harry Potter is extremely deterministic and on-the-nose, almost like it was written by someone who believes what traits you were assigned at birth defines your life forever.
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Brb renaming my cat Gildenballocks
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The fun part with Blakeballocks is that Blake could mean either white or black. So you could be black balls or white balls. Not sure which is better.
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Bonster posted:The fun part with Blakeballocks is that Blake could mean either white or black. So you could be black balls or white balls. Not sure which is better. One of each!
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:One of each! like a domino. dominads.
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Imagined posted:I mean, almost every name in Harry Potter is extremely deterministic and on-the-nose, almost like it was written by someone who believes what traits you were assigned at birth defines your life forever. Shaun's big Harry Potter Video points out Rowling more or less did word association to name her characters. And then pointed out that has...unfortunate implications for how she came up with 'Cho Chang'.
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My dad wanted to name both my sister and I with [Scandinavian first name] [Easy to pronounce on English first name] and then Lastname, so yes, not middle names, outright two non-barreled first names. He didn't do well, he managed to give me a Latin name and Greek name and my sister an Irish name and German name. He didn't bother to do any form of research and both my sister and I have stopped using the "Scandinavian" first name, mainly because we were both bullied with them.
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If Iceland had gone the profession surname route at very least 80% of people would be called Bóndi (farmer).
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Alhazred posted:My mother had to do that because she wanted to use a surname that had fallen out of use in my family and had become a protected surname. IMO you should not name kids after figures from religion known for being wicked, whether or not their name happens to sound like butthole.
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Hajotus Maximus posted:Napoleon is allowed. At least as a first name. There's a RUK valedictorian with that name. my grandpa had a brother named Napoleon
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