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PHUO: A lot of art house cinema and the "greatest masterpieces of film" is very paper thin shlock for people who like (mostly) sad films
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I don't understand people who genuinely enjoy sad films. Those movies feel like work to watch. And movies exist to entertain us between work and sleep. Same with videogames, that's their whole purpose.
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May 12, 2022 13:23
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Sometimes it’s nice to feel a little lovely in a controlled way. 
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May 12, 2022 14:07
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Robobot posted:Sometimes it’s nice to feel a little lovely in a controlled way. It’s why I only read half of your posts
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May 12, 2022 14:08
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Emotions are nice
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May 12, 2022 14:15
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May 12, 2022 14:22
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alexandriao posted:The problem with the idea you pose is that it is akin to getting rid of science fiction as a genre because it defiles literary works. But Disney poaching directors like Chloe Zhao and turning every multiplex into Disney only theatres does. There's a limited amount of resources available and more and more of them are going to terrible movies. The problem isn't that the Super movies are god awful, although they are, it's that every single one that gets made is another half dozen smaller more interesting movies that don't. We live in a world now where the next Francis Ford Coppola, Scorsese, or Welles will never get the ability to make their Godfather or Goodfellas. No studio would give them the budget, they'd be stuck doing low budget indies for A24 or studio movies for Disney, Sony, or WB
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May 12, 2022 14:31
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alexandriao posted:PHUO: A lot of art house cinema and the "greatest masterpieces of film" is very paper thin shlock for people who like (mostly) sad films This is the opinion of someone who hasn't seen most masterpieces.
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May 12, 2022 14:35
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Collapsing Farts posted:Emotions are nice Emotion is one of the greatest albums of all time
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May 12, 2022 14:35
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Gaius Marius is an Art Cop. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvo_9YLd6c8
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May 12, 2022 14:38
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Gaius Marius posted:This is the opinion of someone who hasn't seen most masterpieces. Yeah most classic movies are not what you'd think from cultural osmosis. Like The Seventh Seal. You see the guy playing chess with death and think, oh this is gonna be some dour fancy thing. Then you watch it and it's legitimately funny and devotes a lot of time to a horny guy chasing a chick with big tits in a low cut dress and then running away from her husband
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May 12, 2022 14:45
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I’ve spent the last few days reading some extremely moving manga (Blue Period and Ikoku Nikki, check them out) so I understand feeling extremely passionate about good media, but I don’t really feel like good movies are going away. Maybe you can’t find them out of Hollywood as easily, but foreign film still exists
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May 12, 2022 15:04
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I think I've said it in this thread before, but there are 700-800 films commercially released each year in the US/CA market alone. ~1% of those will be big budget blockbusters, superhero or not If superhero movies are all you are watching, to the point that you think they are the only movies that exist, then you are at fault. Watch something in the other 99%
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May 12, 2022 16:11
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Entertainment media (or in other words "art") that is outside of the cultural mainstream is more available to more people than at any time previous. For good or for ill.
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May 12, 2022 16:34
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i don't mind people seeking escapism and simple pleasures but marvel movies aren't even enjoyable
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May 12, 2022 16:40
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Shibawanko posted:i don't mind people seeking escapism and simple pleasures but marvel movies aren't even enjoyable Thor: Ragnarok was pretty good. And the Raimi/Maguire Spider-Man movies hold up.
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May 12, 2022 16:42
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Shibawanko posted:i don't mind people seeking escapism and simple pleasures but marvel movies aren't even enjoyable Good point but OTOH they are
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May 12, 2022 16:56
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when i see them, that's how i imagine my parents used to see videogames
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May 12, 2022 17:03
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Also superhero media has been around forever and it was always very popular. And by "forever" I mean literally since narrative stories have been around If anything, they are closer to mankind's roots than whatever sadsack dramedy gets poo poo out at cannes or wherever
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May 12, 2022 17:04
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Gaius Marius posted:But Disney poaching directors like Chloe Zhao and turning every multiplex into Disney only theatres does. There's a limited amount of resources available and more and more of them are going to terrible movies. The problem isn't that the Super movies are god awful, although they are, it's that every single one that gets made is another half dozen smaller more interesting movies that don't. We live in a world now where the next Francis Ford Coppola, Scorsese, or Welles will never get the ability to make their Godfather or Goodfellas. No studio would give them the budget, they'd be stuck doing low budget indies for A24 or studio movies for Disney, Sony, or WB This presupposes that every marvel movie prevents a Citizen Kane from being made, but for all we know the potential movie would have been another The Room or a The Day the Clown Cried.
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May 12, 2022 17:07
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So? I'm not talking about superhero movies. I'm talking about the modern marvel WB Sony trifecta of trash. Darkman is fine. Blade was fine. The loving garbage samey quip fest that gross man children go watch are the problem.
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May 12, 2022 17:07
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Blade sucked tbh
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May 12, 2022 17:12
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i liked blade
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Manager Hoyden posted:I think I've said it in this thread before, but there are 700-800 films commercially released each year in the US/CA market alone. ~1% of those will be big budget blockbusters, superhero or not I think the amount of variety helps the Marvel movies. There is so much poo poo available nowadays, so many different services, stuff that gets popular in normie circles and horror circles and film nerd circles. It creates a paralysis of choice. So Marvel has become the default. Don't worry about it, just go see a Marvel movie. You're guaranteed a fun time for the whole family. Except maybe your annoying adult son who hates everything and says you should watch some violent foreign movie about viking murder or whatever
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May 12, 2022 17:16
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Gripweed posted:I think the amount of variety helps the Marvel movies. There is so much poo poo available nowadays, so many different services, stuff that gets popular in normie circles and horror circles and film nerd circles. It creates a paralysis of choice. So Marvel has become the default. Don't worry about it, just go see a Marvel movie. You're guaranteed a fun time for the whole family. I’ve heard that the viking murder movie is good
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Manager Hoyden posted:I think I've said it in this thread before, but there are 700-800 films commercially released each year in the US/CA market alone. ~1% of those will be big budget blockbusters, superhero or not Also this, there are loads of movies being released every year. I haven't watched a Marvel in about three or four years and I have had zero trouble finding something else to watch. Incidentally I really enjoyed The Green Knight
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May 12, 2022 17:24
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I don't see how you can pretend to be arguing for movies as art while denigrating the greatest movie ever made, Jurassic Park.
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May 12, 2022 17:26
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i saw sheng long and the nine circles or whatever it was called, i'm not being facetious when i say i don't remember the title. i don't remember what the movie was about except that the main guy was kind of a normal person but then they went to a weird place to fight something. i remember understanding what was going on at the time when i saw it, and didn't fall asleep or anything, but it just departed from my memory afterwards. i was told that this was actually one of the better marvel movies i also saw shazam. i remember this one a bit better and i think i actually liked it or at least thought the idea of it was funny. still not exactly something i'd bother watching again
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May 12, 2022 17:27
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Byzantine posted:I don't see how you can pretend to be arguing for movies as art while denigrating the greatest movie ever made, Jurassic Park. 
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May 12, 2022 17:38
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Byzantine posted:I don't see how you can pretend to be arguing for movies as art while denigrating the greatest movie ever made, Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park is legitimately the best movie ever made, it's got it all, a fantastical but not mystical premise - it sounds like the kind of thing that could happen as opposed to something like Lord of the Rings, its got a great soundtrack, emotional beats, touch over 2 hours which is long but not criminally so, it's got a good ending which is the thing most films and tv shows struggle with, special effects which still look great 29 years later, everyone loves dinosaurs. Not to forget it's an adaption of a book which is an improvement on the source material, don't get me wrong I have a real fondness for the book - i bought it in a charity shop when I was 8 years old in a double-bill with Congo and it's one of my favourite novels but it's very long winded and scientific and a bit on the nose with it's themes which the film turned into a fantastic movie without Crichtons habit of overly technical 'told you so' prose. I've seen the lost world once the year it came out, never saw a single other jurassic park film, don't need too, the first one is perfect. The videogame where where you could control Dr Grant or a Velociraptor was pretty great too!
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thetoughestbean posted:I’ve heard that the viking murder movie is good Sure. But it doesn't have the Marvel guarantee
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What Marvel movies mostly are is formulaic. (I mean that more as a description than as a criticism. There's a long long tradition of formula-based entertainment and there's really nothing wrong with it.) And either that formula works for you or it doesn't. It mostly does for me, and while I'd be hard-pressed to call more two, maybe three of the MCU films genuinely good, they're pretty much all an enjoyable way to waste a couple hours after Thanksgiving dinner or whatever. I don't think the argument that they're strangling out all the actual good movies we could be seeing holds much weight because, again, it's easier to get your artistic vision out there than it ever has been, and the problem with that is that your artistic vision is probably terrible.
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May 12, 2022 18:06
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the worst movie i have ever seen is a polish thriller called Dark Crimes, Jim Careys in it, it's slow, dark, boring, meandering, lifeless, cold, grey
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May 12, 2022 18:14
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Gaius Marius posted:This is the opinion of someone who hasn't seen most masterpieces. I have, I just didn't care for a lot of the things called masterpieces. I have some schooling in film theory and I can appreciate why they are masterpieces (except for the ones with shaky cam. buy a loving tripod so we can see your "art"), but seeing yet another divorce or yet another poorly framed mental health analogy just didn't interest me. And the sexual stuff is broadly uninteresting (Every single "sex as a metaphor" film I've ever seen loving sucked at doing it. Yes, even that one). At best a lot of them seem like tearjerk porn for rich kids - "oh, these poor people with their real lives. oh, im crying and feel genuinely emotionally connected to this experience of schizophrenia". Cool, good for them, but they go and continue being an rear end at actual people they know with those events going on, and they continue to perpetuate systems that put people in that scenario. lmao Like I said earlier in the thread, I already have my poo poo to deal with, when I have time to view a movie I wish to relax and enjoy myself. I already have an Interesting Life, and it doesn't interest me to jerk off over other peoples art about their Interesting Lives. Gaius Marius posted:But Disney poaching directors like Chloe Zhao and turning every multiplex into Disney only theatres does. Have you considered that Chloe Zhao wanted to work on those projects. It's not like directors don't have a long history of just upping and quitting on projects they are not interested in. Are you mad that capitalism forced them to take the film because of Money?
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christmas boots posted:This presupposes that every marvel movie prevents a Citizen Kane from being made, but for all we know the potential movie would have been another The Room or a The Day the Clown Cried. Honestly I’d prefer more like that to more marvel
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Manager Hoyden posted:Also superhero media has been around forever and it was always very popular. And by "forever" I mean literally since narrative stories have been around hercules or gilgamesh or odysseus are fun though because they deal with very human and practical problems. what to do if someone tells you to clean up a huge pile of poo poo? you solve the problem with lateral thinking and then kill them for asking
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May 12, 2022 19:45
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I'm sure there have been, but I can't think of any move adaptations of the Odyssey off the top of my head. Seems like that would be a slam dunk for a movie studio looking to make a blockbuster from an established IP that isn't Marvel or Disney.
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May 12, 2022 19:52
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Shibawanko posted:hercules or gilgamesh or odysseus are fun though because they deal with very human and practical problems. what to do if someone tells you to clean up a huge pile of poo poo? you solve the problem with lateral thinking and then kill them for asking My favorite is fionn maccumhaill stories which feature an unusual amount of back skin removal
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christmas boots posted:I'm sure there have been, but I can't think of any move adaptations of the Odyssey off the top of my head. Seems like that would be a slam dunk for a movie studio looking to make a blockbuster from an established IP that isn't Marvel or Disney. Oh Brother Where Art Thou, maybe. There’s at least one TV movie that I watched in class Actually, this still sticks in my craw after all these years. Odysseus was raped by Circe and Calypso. He was held against his will and didn’t get much of a choice whether or not to sleep with them. I’m still mad that the kids in my class treated it like him sleeping around
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thetoughestbean posted:Oh Brother Where Art Thou, maybe. Oh yeah. I was thinking more of a straight adaptation but you're absolutely right
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