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Orange Devil posted:Just hope you didn't piss anyone off. I'm a white noise poster, we're survivors
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Lady Radia posted:i'd get what i deserve for being a marius supporter tbh Well the alternative is Sulla who is literally the ran in the conservative make Rome great again platform
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Raenir Salazar posted:Huh, never realized Wellington became Prime Minister at some point; still though all three were elected into positions of civilian state power via legitimate processes in competitive elections and not merely rubber stamped after a violent seizure. Which is exactly my point. In a democracy it's far more likely that the popular general will just use his popularity to win the regular contest for power and not seize it by violent means. It's the unpopular general that uses his military force to seize power you need to be worried about.
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GaussianCopula posted:Which is exactly my point. Sometimes popular generals do a coup anyway though. Isn't that how Nasser became president?
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GaussianCopula posted:Which is exactly my point. I think maybe you're misunderstanding my point; The "popular general seizes power" thing is a trope and is what happened on multiple occasions and generally is referring to autocracies without firm non-violent norms for succession. Napoleon, Caesar, Justinian was worried Belisarius would do this which led to strife between them, etc. I don't think coups by unpopular generals happen all that often especially in antiquity; that seems to be more of a modern era thing where seizing communications and newspaper offices is necessary to prevent any popular blowback, but in the modern period coups tend to happen because of discontent with the reigning powers that be. If anything I think you're thinking mainly of democracies where the violent seizing of power is more likely going to go against the will of the people (although unpopular democracies exist, re: Thailand?) while I'm referring to autocracies/monarchies from ancient times.
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Raenir Salazar posted:(although unpopular democracies exist, re: Thailand?)
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VostokProgram posted:Sometimes popular generals do a coup anyway though. Isn't that how Nasser became president? The government proceeding him wasn't exactly a robust parlimentary democracy
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IIRC this was something I heard from conservatives on my facebook who I suppose in retrospect aren't reliable sources of information. 
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Its nice to see that many provinces in Turkey and Persia are more reasonably shaped than they are in 2.
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https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1521852788875186176 The Conservative Party here seems to be a coalition of the Armed Forces, Rural Landowners, and the Clergy.
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ThaumPenguin posted:https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1521852788875186176 new south wales being shitters in an election is historically accurate from 1836-present day.
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New dev diary  https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1522244982035431426
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"Pops may begin to wonder why the Lower Strata, the largest class, does not simply eat the other two." heh. Praxis.
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I like it. It still leaves all the control in the player's hand. If the people overwhelmingly want say a communist party collective in charge you don't have to agree to do so, but the communist party IGs now have a mandate backed by the people and can make your life much much harder.
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Horsebanger posted:new south wales being shitters in an election is historically accurate from 1836-present day. haha yup, [MY LOCAL POLITICAL UNIT] also has voted wrong for hundreds of years, too
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 The debug tools in this screenshot seem really slick. It's a sign that there's been a lot of time investment into making the overall development/testing process cycle faster. I won't speculate too much on the overall process, but I can imagine a tester seeing an event with a typo/display glitch, opening the event via menu, making the change, and opening a pull-request within the span of a few minutes. If it doesn't get removed before release, it'll be handy for modders too. Spending time on features like this can be hard to justify because they don't translate to anything a typical player sees, but make life a lot better for the whole team. It's a sign that there's competent project management behind the scenes.
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They forgot to include Female-only Suffrage, or Inverted Wealth Voting.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:They forgot to include Female-only Suffrage, or Inverted Wealth Voting. The devs are too cowardly but hopefully these can be modded in
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Correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but wasn't bourgeois disenfranchisement a big contributing element of one of the early 19th century revolutions in France? Like you had capitalists who were wealthier than the vast majority of the nobility, who nevertheless had very little say in the political process due to their lack of titles and/or land? I'm fairly sure this was the revolution of 1830, which does put it outside of the scope of the game, but the lack of an elitist voting system that explicitly excludes the capitalists still seems somewhat noteworthy to me.
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Crazycryodude posted:The devs are too cowardly but hopefully these can be modded in Inverted-wealth voting seems possible though. It would create some interesting scenarios where the disenfranchised capitalists can't protect their wealth, and so gain more political power as they're more effectively stripped of their wealth.
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ThaumPenguin posted:Correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but wasn't bourgeois disenfranchisement a big contributing element of one of the early 19th century revolutions in France? Like you had capitalists who were wealthier than the vast majority of the nobility, who nevertheless had very little say in the political process due to their lack of titles and/or land? That would be the 1789 revolution, but honestly the forces at play in the rolling crisis in France between 1787-1848 didn't really get 'resolved' per se.
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Wouldn't female-only suffrage mechanically just be male-only suffrage with the labels swapped At least I'd imagine that would be the case if it was implemented as a Game Rule OPAONI posted:That would be the 1789 revolution, but honestly the forces at play in the rolling crisis in France between 1787-1848 didn't really get 'resolved' per se. Nah to 1789, the specific thing I'm half-remembering is post-Napoleonic for sure, nothing to do with the Estates General. ThaumPenguin fucked around with this message at 02:31 on May 6, 2022 |
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ThaumPenguin posted:Correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but wasn't bourgeois disenfranchisement a big contributing element of one of the early 19th century revolutions in France? Like you had capitalists who were wealthier than the vast majority of the nobility, who nevertheless had very little say in the political process due to their lack of titles and/or land? The less democratic your voting system is the bigger flat bonus to government legitimacy you get, which gives you more flexibility in choosing interest groups to put in government and effectively makes elections matter less. So if you have wealth voting it's probably pretty easy to keep the landowners permanently in power at the expense of the bourgeoisie even if they do well in elections. That's one abstraction that kind of fits, the other is just not having elections at all and keeping the landowners in power. I mean when your electorate is exclusively nobility I have to think votes generally hinge more on personal relationships than Victoria 3's mass politics-derived election mechanics like political parties and campaigning. I can't speak to how well that represents France's politics pre-1830 but from a game design perspective the extra voting law doesn't seem necessary
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I really just want to make the most hosed up society possible. I want only poor minority women to vote for rich white men who serve as CEO's of a company/state that holds massive amounts of slaves that all get a college education. I want mandatory 12 hour workdays supported by unions that double as secret police. I want worker run theocratic soviets lead by divinely appointed kings. I want a Chile that snakes from Santiago to Vladivostok without ever touching a landlocked province.
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Gaius Marius posted:I really just want to make the most hosed up society possible. I want only poor minority women to vote for rich white men who serve as CEO's of a company/state that holds massive amounts of slaves that all get a college education. I want mandatory 12 hour workdays supported by unions that double as secret police. I want worker run theocratic soviets lead by divinely appointed kings. I want a Chile that snakes from Santiago to Vladivostok without ever touching a landlocked province. This is a  avatar-post-username combo.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_RN2iDutr0 What does Daniel Talman wear? Is this a Chinese 19th-century jacket?
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https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1524781697551814657 The thing about conditions in which IGs will join different parties is really cool, I like that a lot.
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Bullying Paradox devs objectively made the game better. There's a lesson to be learned here.
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Mantis42 posted:Bullying Paradox devs objectively made the game better. There's a lesson to be learned here. What is the Radical Party? Radical what?
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Capfalcon posted:What is the Radical Party? Radical what? Radical liberals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_radicalism
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Capfalcon posted:What is the Radical Party? Radical what?
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The stuff at the end about how interest group allegiances vary based on the balance of power sounds incredible. I also really like how many political layers there are, even though I'm starting to lose track of them sometimes. You've got jobs/classes, ideologies, interest groups, and political parties, none of which (as far as I remember) are strict 1-to-1 correspondences.
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Dayton Sports Bar posted:The stuff at the end about how interest group allegiances vary based on the balance of power sounds incredible. I also really like how many political layers there are, even though I'm starting to lose track of them sometimes. You've got jobs/classes, ideologies, interest groups, and political parties, none of which (as far as I remember) are strict 1-to-1 correspondences. just like politicians in real life, who are also bumbling about through the process. dont worry, itll just make the game more realistic and good (no sarcasm).
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Victoria III coming out in the middle of the Greatest Depression that seems to be on the cusp is going to be magical and on point.
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