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Rickshaw
Apr 11, 2004

just a coconut going for a stroll

Jorge Bell posted:

It's cool that you've already done the work of identifying why you're fixating on that specific moment (not wanting to be a doormat). I recommend actively trying to not give a poo poo. This sounds flippant and dismissive but it isn't. My life got way better when I stopped trying to analyze the behavior of everyone around me or determine what the right responses would be. You're internally building an annoying event into some kind of test of your character.

Goddamn. I'm just wandering through this thread browsing the forums and this post here is some wisdom.

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Oct 27, 2004

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Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


Jorge Bell posted:

It's cool that you've already done the work of identifying why you're fixating on that specific moment (not wanting to be a doormat). I recommend actively trying to not give a poo poo. This sounds flippant and dismissive but it isn't. My life got way better when I stopped trying to analyze the behavior of everyone around me or determine what the right responses would be. You're internally building an annoying event into some kind of test of your character.


*jerks thumb emphatically* He's right, you know.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Jorge Bell posted:

It's cool that you've already done the work of identifying why you're fixating on that specific moment (not wanting to be a doormat). I recommend actively trying to not give a poo poo. This sounds flippant and dismissive but it isn't. My life got way better when I stopped trying to analyze the behavior of everyone around me or determine what the right responses would be. You're internally building an annoying event into some kind of test of your character.


I was not giving a poo poo, but as she got drunker she was just straight up talking poo poo about the band and people who were liking it, and then eventually other people around her and probably me too. It's less about being a test of character and just being abused by others with no recourse available. I'm tired of it, it's been a pattern my whole life and likely everyone else's, but I'd be lying to you if I didn't spend the next couple days after just full of impotent rage and wishing I had names and an address. To head off any notion of using the buttons, this violent feeling has since passed.

In fact, my not giving a poo poo when she was called out the first time is probably why it got as bad as it did later. I was trying that, and it didn't work, and it only got worse. I also could have helped that guy not get bullied away from his seat, and the subsequent people that were including me. The only thing I should have seriously stopped giving a poo poo about was changing my seat, but I've always operated under the principle that rules only apply to me lol.

Since I'm thinking about it. Here's a couple gems from that person.

"They shoulda bought a more expensive ticket in the non talking section". Gee lady sorry I didn't buy Karen Insurance.
"[unintelligible] that white man" Referring to the guy who told her to shut up before. She was a white woman, and about the most entitled person I've met in a little while lol.


is pepsi ok posted:

I feel a lot of this, especially the bolded part, and I know a lot of other people who also feel this way. I wish I had something helpful to say about it, but all I can say is that it loving sucks. I set my expectations as low as I possibly can but still everything is a loving hassle, nothing works right, and everyone is an rear end in a top hat. It's forced me to rearrange my life in order to avoid people, and I honestly don't want that. I want to be around people and to go out and do things and have a normal life but everyone is so broken that just doesn't seem possible anymore.

:same:

Like, in an objective sense, I haven't actually been hosed with in public, but I also go out of my way to avoid people and my instinct since I was a kid was to be invisible. "everything is a loving hassle, nothing works right, and everyone is an rear end in a top hat. " is exactly how I feel most days.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

got ghosted by a therapist lmao. tried to set up an appointment for a telehealth intake screening; never got confirmed, didnt get a link for the call, tried calling the office and got voicemail

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Goobish posted:

I freakin HATE that so much. I am out like, easily at least 4 grand right now because I had to take unpaid family leave (which was goddamn hard enough paperwork to fill out), and even though my works short term disability is retroactive, I cannot find the time/energy/mental clarity/doctors to fill the loving poo poo out. Doesn't help that I'm back to being extremely exhausted after work, to the point I literally be in major debt and no savings, than loving even try to figure out the short term disability paperwork and also find a doctor who actually gives a poo poo ever. Didn't mean to vent in your direction dear goon sir, but it is just majorly BS I can currently relate to right now. My brain is completely different now than in the beforetimes too. So that makes it extra frustrating.

No worries Goobish, I had a emergency leave thing before my final burn out, in retrospect it should've been my wake up call but i trudged through another 4 months just hurting myself more. Personally I think my brain has continued a downward spiral. It was pretty fragile but the trumpenreich and all resistance to it getting utterly owned pushed me over the edge. Having my first case's final appeal get denied during the summer of 2020 just put me in a red haze that didn't lift until a few months ago.

At this point I'm mostly trying to keep mom and dad from shooting at the immigrants that walk through here on a nightly basis. We're in a situation where 'only' getting arrested by la migra is the happy ending :shep:. Between that and the resurgance of the right everywhere to 2016 charlottesville levels has left me in despair.

Been taking my meds but it ain't helping, its the external stressors that are primarily killing me.

Tungsten
Aug 10, 2004

Your Working Boy

StashAugustine posted:

got ghosted by a therapist lmao. tried to set up an appointment for a telehealth intake screening; never got confirmed, didnt get a link for the call, tried calling the office and got voicemail

that sucks but who knows what was happening. i am reminded of a time i saw a therapist who had suffered a blow to the head that morning and was obviously woozy. she should not have gone into work that day but was unusually candid that session and told me i had nice legs

so maybe it was something like that. if it was an intake screening they didn't even know you well enough for it to be a rejection

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

yeah i actually got it sorted out a bit later, just missed confirming the intake call and i've got an appointment for next week. perhaps therapy works on dark souls rules and complaining on the internet is key to advancing

Tungsten
Aug 10, 2004

Your Working Boy

i have also found a therapist who i think will be adequate after the last 3 attempts were disasters (insight-based depth psychology grift therapist; lightweight stunned by the depths of my suffering therapist; checked-out jobber not expecting any improvement therapist) - i need someone who will agree with me that the world is poo poo and getting worse and guide me toward being a functional human being regardless. i think of it as being a single cell carrying on its functions for as long as possible as the body dies around it, not because it has any transcendent meaning but because it's the way entailing the least suffering (suicide sucks for the immediate social environment)

Uganda Loves Me
May 24, 2002


I very much relate to that. I don't think I'll put up with anyone else who treats the entire problem as being on my end. So many things are hosed, and you don't need a genetic predisposition to any mental illness to struggle. I don't think I would have ever attempted suicide if it wasn't for the constant stream of gaslighting and guilt tripping I received for struggling with capitalism.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Uganda Loves Me posted:

I very much relate to that. I don't think I'll put up with anyone else who treats the entire problem as being on my end. So many things are hosed, and you don't need a genetic predisposition to any mental illness to struggle. I don't think I would have ever attempted suicide if it wasn't for the constant stream of gaslighting and guilt tripping I received for struggling with capitalism.

Yeah like, my ADHD would be more manageable or not a disorder at all if I wasn't responsible for keeping like 7 different critical objects on my person at all times and have to appear in different parts of a congested city on an exact timetable every single day.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Witeldram posted:

Exercising did wonders for me. Going to the gym in the morning helped establish a routine in my day (and prevented me from spending my morning holed up in my bedroom depressed). I've also been pursuing other hobbies that have been beneficial for my mental health. I started gardening last summer and I really enjoy it, having these small projects and responsibilities to pour your energy to has definitely been helpful for me.

I've been going to the gym off and on and generally preventing weight gain etc

I can't help shaking the feeling that it's making my mental health worse. I don't want to spend every other day in exhausting physical pain and I can't handle the mental pain that goes with dreading and then regretting going to the gym.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


War and Pieces posted:

I've been going to the gym off and on and generally preventing weight gain etc

I can't help shaking the feeling that it's making my mental health worse. I don't want to spend every other day in exhausting physical pain and I can't handle the mental pain that goes with dreading and then regretting going to the gym.

i think you may not be exercising with good form if you're in exhausting physical pain from workouts

usually the best workout for weight maintenance (and to me at least best for mental health) is running, where the usual advice is

Born to Run posted:

Think Easy, Light, Smooth, and Fast. You start with easy, because if that's all you get, that's not so bad. Then work on light. Make it efforthless, like you don't give a poo poo how high the hill is or how far you've got to go. When you've practiced that so long, that you forget you're practicing, you work on making it smooooooth. You won't have to worry about the last one - you get those three, and you'll be fast.

Jorge Bell
Aug 2, 2006
thinking of loving my therapist, but in a worker empowerment sort of way

Uganda Loves Me
May 24, 2002


My buddy cosplays as a ninja turtle, and somehow met Vanilla Ice. He dances onstage to the ninja rap. We went to a concert last night, and got to go backstage. Met Vanilla Ice, DJ Kool and Coolio. It was surreal, and I'm still riding high.

Also, thanks to you all, NAMI is no longer driving me crazy!

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Tulip posted:

i think you may not be exercising with good form if you're in exhausting physical pain from workouts

usually the best workout for weight maintenance (and to me at least best for mental health) is running, where the usual advice is

lmao I can't run a quarter mile without getting winded

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


War and Pieces posted:

lmao I can't run a quarter mile without getting winded

I started running in July 2021 after not having done so since high school. I did the C25k plan and the first week was just 60s of running, 60s of walking, 8 times, and it was a significant struggle for me. By the end of the plan I found doing a full 5k in about 28 minutes pretty easy.

All of that is to say that I am not saying you NEED to become a runner and certainly don't ignore what your body is telling you, but barring some very significant medical problems, building up baseline endurance to "a couple miles" is very achievable. It's much easier than building muscle mass, for example.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Jorge Bell posted:

thinking of loving my therapist, but in a worker empowerment sort of way

:meowth:

Jorge Bell
Aug 2, 2006
Hey thread apropos of nothing here is some good advice I once got: if doing something is stressful for you and doing that thing isn't necessary, stop doing that thing.

That's why I use paper plates instead of freaking out about washing the dishes. It took another grown rear end adult giving me explicit permission to realize that is a okay thing to do.

skooma512 posted:

Since I'm thinking about it. Here's a couple gems from that person.

"They shoulda bought a more expensive ticket in the non talking section". Gee lady sorry I didn't buy Karen Insurance.
"[unintelligible] that white man" Referring to the guy who told her to shut up before. She was a white woman, and about the most entitled person I've met in a little while lol.

drat that lady sounds like a huge bitch, sorry she made your concert less enjoyable.

Jorge Bell has issued a correction as of 20:19 on May 14, 2022

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse
Heh, my health's going down the shitter again, and nothing ever gets better.

Refusing to worry or do anything about it has been, in itself, the best thing I've ever done about it.

It doesn't matter to anyone else if I live or die, and nobody ever helps, so... I was just stressing myself out for no good reason.

The surgeons did predict I was going to have abysmal quality of life, and, uh, they are really competent.

I feel like I should worry and rage, but... instead I just feel content. I will suffer and die due to my disease, and I couldn't do anything about it if I wanted to. But I no longer want to.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Jorge Bell posted:



That's why I use paper plates instead of freaking out about washing the dishes. It took another grown rear end adult giving me explicit permission to realize that is a okay thing to do.



This is an absolute game changer.

Except when your trash bag has one too many, and the bag rips.

Ripped trash bags will trigger an internal meltdown for me.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


endlessmonotony posted:

Heh, my health's going down the shitter again, and nothing ever gets better.

Refusing to worry or do anything about it has been, in itself, the best thing I've ever done about it.

It doesn't matter to anyone else if I live or die, and nobody ever helps, so... I was just stressing myself out for no good reason.

The surgeons did predict I was going to have abysmal quality of life, and, uh, they are really competent.

I feel like I should worry and rage, but... instead I just feel content. I will suffer and die due to my disease, and I couldn't do anything about it if I wanted to. But I no longer want to.

Gotta be realistic about what you can control.

It ain't worth much but I think your posts and perspective have been valuable and enlightening.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Tulip posted:

Gotta be realistic about what you can control.

It ain't worth much but I think your posts and perspective have been valuable and enlightening.

It's super frustrating, realizing how much the people around you stop caring about your problems (and you) about some weeks in.

I get it, it's a downer, and I could certainly use a break, but I'm decades in and there are no days I can neglect care.

Everyone else was done accepting my death long before it's going to happen. Well, the one that sticks anyway.

No matter how much help I get new problems are going to keep cropping up, too, and that's something people can't handle either.

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



endlessmonotony posted:

It's super frustrating, realizing how much the people around you stop caring about your problems (and you) about some weeks in.

I get it, it's a downer, and I could certainly use a break, but I'm decades in and there are no days I can neglect care.

Everyone else was done accepting my death long before it's going to happen. Well, the one that sticks anyway.

No matter how much help I get new problems are going to keep cropping up, too, and that's something people can't handle either.

I don't know anything about your condition and prognosis (and i apologize if you've mentioned it before because my memory is terrible) but definitely make sure you have a medical advance directive in case your health suddenly deteriorates.

You do not want to end up as one of the many eternal technically-alive vegetables that populate ICUs and hospice care joints. It's probably a fate worse than death.

that's the best piece of advice i can give as a lovely poster online

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Raine posted:

I don't know anything about your condition and prognosis (and i apologize if you've mentioned it before because my memory is terrible) but definitely make sure you have a medical advance directive in case your health suddenly deteriorates.

You do not want to end up as one of the many eternal technically-alive vegetables that populate ICUs and hospice care joints. It's probably a fate worse than death.

that's the best piece of advice i can give as a lovely poster online

I'm going to continue to not take care about any of those things.

I'd like to live before I've planned out my death, but that doesn't seem to be an option.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

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endlessmonotony posted:

I'm going to continue to not take care about any of those things.

I'd like to live before I've planned out my death, but that doesn't seem to be an option.

I mean it's sound advice for a healthy person too lije everyone should probably have one in case they get hit by a truck tomorrow

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Nov 4, 2009
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Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


War and Pieces posted:

I mean it's sound advice for a healthy person too lije everyone should probably have one in case they get hit by a truck tomorrow

yeah i can't speak to Finland but in the US not having any advanced directives can have pretty dire consequences and it's definitely a "better to have it and not need than than need it and not have it"

and no matter how healthy you are now, you're gonna get sick and die at some point

endlessmonotony posted:

It's super frustrating, realizing how much the people around you stop caring about your problems (and you) about some weeks in.

I get it, it's a downer, and I could certainly use a break, but I'm decades in and there are no days I can neglect care.

Everyone else was done accepting my death long before it's going to happen. Well, the one that sticks anyway.

No matter how much help I get new problems are going to keep cropping up, too, and that's something people can't handle either.

grim poo poo

maybe i just hang out with very morose people but i'm used to people being fairly comfortable discussing death, maybe its just growing up with nurses and discussing end of life stuff when i was like 20, pretty disappointing and frustrating that the people in your life aren't able to handle The Most Human Experience with some grace

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Tulip posted:

yeah i can't speak to Finland but in the US not having any advanced directives can have pretty dire consequences and it's definitely a "better to have it and not need than than need it and not have it"

and no matter how healthy you are now, you're gonna get sick and die at some point

grim poo poo

maybe i just hang out with very morose people but i'm used to people being fairly comfortable discussing death, maybe its just growing up with nurses and discussing end of life stuff when i was like 20, pretty disappointing and frustrating that the people in your life aren't able to handle The Most Human Experience with some grace

Well, the upside is that they aren't in my life anymore. And I don't really connect with new people, making that a self-solving problem.

Also I'm going to do exactly jack and poo poo about my advance directive. What's the worst that can happen, I'm stuck in a worthless pile of meat, doing nothing meaningful, in horrible pain, spending all my days in the same place, thinking about how horrible the world is?

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER



endlessmonotony posted:

Also I'm going to do exactly jack and poo poo about my advance directive. What's the worst that can happen, I'm stuck in a worthless pile of meat, doing nothing meaningful, in horrible pain, spending all my days in the same place, thinking about how horrible the world is?

you'll have tubes shoved in every orifice and will most likely be unconscious until they finally let you die, which can be years sometimes

an advance directive isn't even something you have to put effort into getting, just tell your doctor the next time you see them "do not intubate or perform cpr on me"

it's a way to go out on your own terms, basically saying "just let me die, rear end in a top hat" in advance


e. related

Raine has issued a correction as of 23:09 on May 15, 2022

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Raine posted:

you'll have tubes shoved in every orifice and will most likely be unconscious until they finally let you die, which can be years sometimes

an advance directive isn't even something you have to put effort into getting, just tell your doctor the next time you see them "do not intubate or perform cpr on me"

it's a way to go out on your own terms, basically saying "just let me die, rear end in a top hat" in advance


e. related


I will continue to not care. Maybe they'll embalm me with microplastics while I'm still alive, so I can become the religious icon the new generations deserve.

#deathgoals

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse
Not giving a poo poo about any of this poo poo has been exactly what I needed to instead do poo poo I want to do rather than preparing for my disease loving me up.

Because no matter how much I prepare, my disease will gently caress me up eventually.

I would like to have lived before it comes, but I'm still paralyzed and visibly disabled, so y'know, fat chance.

thehandtruck
Mar 5, 2006

the thing about the jews is,

endlessmonotony posted:

Because no matter how much I prepare, my disease will gently caress me up eventually.

Just out of curiosity would you feel comfortable sharing what your disease is? I am curious, but of course no pressure to.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

thehandtruck posted:

Just out of curiosity would you feel comfortable sharing what your disease is? I am curious, but of course no pressure to.

Trying to figure out what it is is going to fail because I've actually got multiple diseases that interact.

The one causing the most pain and disability right now caused a spinal cord injury in my neck.

The one most likely to kill me eventually (without treatment, it would already have killed me, with treatment the disease course is uncertain but will get bad eventually) causes something very similar to type 2 diabetes, and complications are the most likely reason for me to grow worse.

Anything further than that would identify the exact rare diseases and I don't exactly want that.

Jorge Bell
Aug 2, 2006

thehandtruck
Mar 5, 2006

the thing about the jews is,

endlessmonotony posted:

Trying to figure out what it is is going to fail because I've actually got multiple diseases that interact.

The one causing the most pain and disability right now caused a spinal cord injury in my neck.

The one most likely to kill me eventually (without treatment, it would already have killed me, with treatment the disease course is uncertain but will get bad eventually) causes something very similar to type 2 diabetes, and complications are the most likely reason for me to grow worse.

Anything further than that would identify the exact rare diseases and I don't exactly want that.

Thanks for sharing. Best of luck to you.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

well got my first appointment with a therapist in like seven years tomorrow

Jorge Bell
Aug 2, 2006
Nice! That's really cool

Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe
Well done! Hope it goes well!

Anyone experience feeling really irritable and angry in the morning, then it just slides into deep sadness by the end of the day?

It's become a consistent thing for me, and I've had no success breaking the pattern.

Have been on an SSRI for ages, and I'm wondering if it's not enough anymore.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

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Failson posted:

Well done! Hope it goes well!

Anyone experience feeling really irritable and angry in the morning, then it just slides into deep sadness by the end of the day?

It's become a consistent thing for me, and I've had no success breaking the pattern.

Have been on an SSRI for ages, and I'm wondering if it's not enough anymore.

lmao it's called being an adult

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Failson posted:

Well done! Hope it goes well!

Anyone experience feeling really irritable and angry in the morning, then it just slides into deep sadness by the end of the day?

It's become a consistent thing for me, and I've had no success breaking the pattern.

Have been on an SSRI for ages, and I'm wondering if it's not enough anymore.

Thanks all. I have occasionally wondered if all my mental issues could be attributed solely to coffee highs and crashes

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