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Ghost Leviathan posted:You have the problem of taking movies way too seriously. This is standard comic book fare. "The bad trope has happened before" is not a strong defense imo.
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Why's it a bad trope though? It was one of the most fun scenes in the movie.
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May 14, 2022 15:00
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Mymla posted:"The bad trope has happened before" is not a strong defense imo. Bringing in hugely surprising massive cameos that fans desperately want and then murdering them brutally is a great trope that doesn't happen often enough. It's why the opening to Scream is such a good scene and still remembered to this day instead of just being another slasher kill.
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May 14, 2022 15:02
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Psycho is a bad movie, in this essay I will
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May 14, 2022 15:19
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stev posted:Why's it a bad trope though? It was one of the most fun scenes in the movie. Because it's a lame solution to the conundrum of "how do we show this villain is super strong without having anyone actually important die". It's the same reason it would be extremely lame if wanda (or anyone else for that matter) died but got replaced by a more of less exact copy from an alternate universe. If you're a writer and you want to kill a character, do it properly or not at all.
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May 14, 2022 15:24
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But that's neither bad or a trope
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May 14, 2022 15:36
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Yeah, it's the kinda thing that makes a multiverse interesting, and all the funnier given the meta-casting jokes and implicit context. Can be overused, sure, but it's all in the execution, no pun intended, and boy was that some entertaining execution. (Pun kinda intended)
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May 14, 2022 16:03
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Mymla posted:Because it's a lame solution to the conundrum of "how do we show this villain is super strong without having anyone actually important die". It's the same reason it would be extremely lame if wanda (or anyone else for that matter) died but got replaced by a more of less exact copy from an alternate universe. If you're a writer and you want to kill a character, do it properly or not at all. All I could think of near the end was that episode of Star Trek voyager where Harry Kim, a main cast member fuckin dies out of nowhere in the first two minutes, and then they just replace him with a convenient quantum clone later on and never mention it again lol
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Mymla posted:Because it's a lame solution to the conundrum of "how do we show this villain is super strong without having anyone actually important die". It's the same reason it would be extremely lame if wanda (or anyone else for that matter) died but got replaced by a more of less exact copy from an alternate universe. If you're a writer and you want to kill a character, do it properly or not at all. But Vemon or Worf wasn't there for Wanda to beat up. How will anyone know she's serious business Aipsh posted:All I could think of near the end was that episode of Star Trek voyager where Harry Kim, a main cast member fuckin dies out of nowhere in the first two minutes, and then they just replace him with a convenient quantum clone later on and never mention it again lol Haha that's amazing. I love star trek, I think cheif obrians daughter is a time duplicate too
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May 14, 2022 17:06
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Wanda has literally murdered an entire Hogwarts full of children at this point in the movie, the cameos are there for the fans, not to prove that she is powerful and evil.
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May 14, 2022 18:28
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Bust Rodd posted:Wanda has literally murdered an entire Hogwarts full of children at this point in the movie, the cameos are there for the fans, not to prove that she is powerful and evil. Who were those alternate universe guys anyway? Are they some deep comic reference? I assumed they were in the xmen animated cartoon universe when professor x shows up in his hover chair and they play his cartoon theme. Also the world is colourful like a cartoon.
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May 14, 2022 18:34
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Reed Richards from Fantastic 4, Prof X but I guess specifically the 90’s cartoon version, I don’t know where Black Bolt is from, Capt Marvel and Capt Carter are both alternate reality versions of characters we had, Capt Carter was just in the Marvel What If Disney+ show
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May 14, 2022 18:37
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Did they explain how Wanda discovered America? I can't recall and it's bugging me
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May 14, 2022 18:39
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Zoobtro posted:Did they explain how Wanda discovered America? I can't recall and it's bugging me Didnt Dr Strange go visit her and litteraly tell her everything. Kind of a dumb plan for scarlet witch to go full frontal assault when she could have just said "sure I'll help you out". Then grab America when everyone is asleep
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May 14, 2022 18:41
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Rutibex posted:Didnt Dr Strange go visit her and litteraly tell her everything. Kind of a dumb plan for scarlet witch to go full frontal assault when she could have just said "sure I'll help you out". Then grab America when everyone is asleep Wanda was already chasing America by then. She "summoned" (?) the ribbon and octopus monsters. Zoobtro fucked around with this message at 18:47 on May 14, 2022 |
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May 14, 2022 18:45
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Rutibex posted:Didnt Dr Strange go visit her and litteraly tell her everything. Kind of a dumb plan for scarlet witch to go full frontal assault when she could have just said "sure I'll help you out". Then grab America when everyone is asleep She screwed up by calling America by her name, which Strange hadn't told her
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Admiralty Flag posted:She screwed up by calling America by her name, which Strange hadn't told her Oh yeah. Then I have to assume she found out by casting Contact Other Plane, a simple 5th level magic user spell. She casts Astral Projection later, a 9th level spell so she is clearly powerful enough.
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Rutibex posted:Oh yeah. Then I have to assume she found out by casting Contact Other Plane, a simple 5th level magic user spell. She casts Astral Projection later, a 9th level spell so she is clearly powerful enough. She needed America for Plane Shift, which as an Evocation Specialist, she didn't have on her list.
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May 14, 2022 19:15
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stev posted:It was a fantastic punchline though. Per Moderator OldSenileGuy it's been a good five pages of discussion (and, y'know, over a week since it got released) and I'm getting tired of turning almost every post in this thread into a redacted document from the CIA. Go see the movie or prepare to get spoiled. Figure even when she isn't going full child-murder hobo Wanda's a bit of a weird person so her kids will kind of be a little weird too. Besides, it's a dumb, made-up song about getting ice cream by a couple of non-musician 12ish year olds. It's suppose to suck at least a little. Even if you think it's good for their age, it's not you'll submit your kids' finger-painting macaroni art to the assessment of a professional art critic.
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Bust Rodd posted:Reed Richards from Fantastic 4, Prof X but I guess specifically the 90’s cartoon version, I don’t know where Black Bolt is from, Capt Marvel and Capt Carter are both alternate reality versions of characters we had, Capt Carter was just in the Marvel What If Disney+ show Black Bolt is from the Inhumans, who are basically mutants but different. There was an Inhumans TV show with the same actor. Do not watch it unless you enjoy watching hilariously bad things. It was so bad that Marvel studios would later not allow Eternals to be filmed in Hawaii.
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You know what I remembered...the time that Odin's brother, the Serpent sent his weapons to his worthy and the Juggernaut became even more unstoppable and possessed and a rage freak and nothing could stop him so, like Colossus and Ilyana went to the dimension of Cyttorak and were like "Dude, your herald got possessed by some other God. That's whack." and Cyttorak was like "Da faque? THIS INSULTS ME." and gave Colossus the power of the Juggernaut and those two had an epic fight. And during this whole thing the X-Men and heroes tried all kinds of experiments to try to stop the possessed Juggernaut, like Gambit charging up his team member who was a bunch of rocks to run into the Juggernaut and explode and Adam X the X-treme setting his blood on fire but it just turned him into a flaming rage Juggernaut. My point is, we should see some dark Gods and poo poo in the MCU.
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Agaragon posted:Black Bolt is from the Inhumans, who are basically mutants but different. There was an Inhumans TV show with the same actor. I will forever be mad that show wasted the god tier casting of Iwan Rheon as Maximoff
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So a loose end that feels like it deliberately wasn't addressed: did alt-wanda have her full power set? At first it looked like we were in an alternate universe where she'd never been enhanced, but when alt-wanda was depossessed and abandoned in the void she did the glowing hands thing and flew back to the door quite comfortably. And then in the final confrontation as far as I can tell she didn't use her powers there at all? So did she pick up scarlet witch powers, or was that alternate Wanda fully powered all along but relying on talk rather than punch when her evil alternate self shows up?
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xiw posted:So a loose end that feels like it deliberately wasn't addressed: did alt-wanda have her full power set? At first it looked like we were in an alternate universe where she'd never been enhanced, but when alt-wanda was depossessed and abandoned in the void she did the glowing hands thing and flew back to the door quite comfortably. And then in the final confrontation as far as I can tell she didn't use her powers there at all? Maybe she is a mutant in that universe.
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I assumed she still had powers but living a happy fulfilled life meant she never spent as much time developing them as our Wanda
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Wanda’s power seems tied to something more ethereal than her physical body, otherwise she literally wouldn’t be able to dream walk in the first place.
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xiw posted:So a loose end that feels like it deliberately wasn't addressed: did alt-wanda have her full power set? At first it looked like we were in an alternate universe where she'd never been enhanced, but when alt-wanda was depossessed and abandoned in the void she did the glowing hands thing and flew back to the door quite comfortably. And then in the final confrontation as far as I can tell she didn't use her powers there at all? Alt Wanda doesn't do anything she couldn't do in Civil War.
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Man, I'm glad I watched What If before I saw this because the first Doctor Strange movie did not do anywhere near the amount of emotional heavy lifting to make me care about Christine or convince me Strange cares that much about her. But that one episode of What If did, so, it's fine.  Movie kinda ruled. Probably the best looking (and definitely the best shot) MCU movie, yeah?
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This movie was Sam Raimi as gently caress and I loved it. loving fantastic movie.
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Rarity posted:I assumed she still had powers but living a happy fulfilled life meant she never spent as much time developing them as our Wanda Or that, since the Illuminati stopped Thanos on Titan he never made to Earth and killed Vision so they were able to retire in peace.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Or that, since the Illuminati stopped Thanos on Titan he never made to Earth and killed Vision so they were able to retire in peace. Also figure either there was no Tony Stark or he died earlier and maybe Reed was the one who helped create Vision. Though Sue was probably the who told Reed to make sure Vision could not only gently caress but also impregnate women.
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It's literally a universe where red means go and green means stop, pretty sure it's meant to be anything-goes and not planned to be revisited. The casting is a bunch of fun meta references. They may or may not follow up on that, who knows, though Patrick Stewart's probably getting too old for more than cameos.Aipsh posted:All I could think of near the end was that episode of Star Trek voyager where Harry Kim, a main cast member fuckin dies out of nowhere in the first two minutes, and then they just replace him with a convenient quantum clone later on and never mention it again lol They also did this with O'Brien in DS9! The episode where two of them say in sync 'I hate quantum mechanics.'
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In my head canon the brother Dr Nic West lost while he was snapped was named Herbert. And he was also a doctor.
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This movie probably has the best post-credits scene/gag of all of the MCU.
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nimby posted:This movie probably has the best post-credits scene/gag of all of the MCU. I was so shocked that Bruce Campbell showed up in the movie itself because I was certain that they'd save him for the post-credits scene. Oh, Sam, you scamp.
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I was disappointed to not see Ted Raimi anywhere in the movie. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually we find out he was the voice of a ghoul or something, but it's not the same 
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Was the Oldsmobile in it? I don't remember seeing it but also forgot to really look for it.
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Yes. Right when Strange enters the last world with evil strange. It’s floating in front of them right when they’re just getting there.
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Hmm I hope it wasn't CG and he still used the actual car. I want to imagine Raimi having them build an elaborate crane system so they could hang it in front of the green screens
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Odoyle posted:In my head canon the brother Dr Nic West lost while he was snapped was named Herbert. And he was also a doctor. My God, a new Re-Animator with Michael Stuhlbarg and Jeffrey Combs as West brothers would be amazing.
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