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If anything is hurting AEW now it is that somehow the current holders of the two most major men's belts are cutting fewer promos and having fewer matches. I mean in Hangman's case that is probably true and due to circumstances out of his control, but how did Jurassic Express get less interesting? And no I do not think the lack of Marko Stunt was a big factor, though honestly it did probably impact their overall presence, not that I am a huge fan of Marko's.
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There was a Dynamite a few weeks ago that was perfectly paced. I think there might have been one short in-ring segment, but everything else was a short video promo or quick backstage interview sandwiched between matches, and every segment advanced the stories. There were absolutely no wasted minutes, no fat, just a lean as hell wrestling show that balanced every story and showcased their wrestlers. I feel like if they hit that pacing more often, more people would take notice, but the gripe I mostly have with AEW is that it's wildly inconsistent in its pace and presentation. It's very rarely bad or even mediocre, but it needs to figure out what it's best at and lock that in stone. For casual fans who have the potential to be regulars, you don't want them thinking "It was great last week but I don't know what happened this week." That, and the midcard isn't particularly booked strongly. There's a tier of PPV and TV regulars, and a tier of Youtube regulars, but in between there's sort of a nebulous blob of midcard, women, and tag teams with stop/start angles who only show up for a few weeks, then are absent for months until they decide to pay them off. People joke that Tony Khan is a cokehead but I feel like he books and acts more like someone with severe ADHD.
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May 16, 2022 05:39
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Gonna remind everyone that AEW wrestlers are all in different contracts. They're not all the same. They're asked to give AEW show dates priority over their other bookings but if someone like Hikaru Shida needs to fly back and forth to Japan in order to do Makai shows and work some TJPW dates or whatever they let her. Same with people like Mox. Mox works a ton of indie shows. It's OK for people to be off TV for a while and for storylines to go slower. I totally understand why the slower pace of stories can be annoying. Malakai Black misted Julia Hart literally months ago and we're only now just seeing that story move on because of injuries and other factors. People have to be on TV when it makes sense and they have such a huge roster that not everyone can be on TV every week. That's what the Dark shows are for.
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May 16, 2022 05:57
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Dr. Quarex posted:If anything is hurting AEW now it is that somehow the current holders of the two most major men's belts are cutting fewer promos and having fewer matches. I mean in Hangman's case that is probably true and due to circumstances out of his control, but how did Jurassic Express get less interesting? And no I do not think the lack of Marko Stunt was a big factor, though honestly it did probably impact their overall presence, not that I am a huge fan of Marko's. Jungleboy is a really bland white meat baby face working after 1997 who in any other company would be exceptional rather than just a super solid wrestler and they paired him with face christian who is only slightly more interesting by virtue of nastolgia and these are the people the booking has focused on. The interesting parts of Jungle express was always green kane and the goblin child.
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May 16, 2022 06:48
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i wish there was a more convenient way for me to point my north american friends towards specific matches and such like i can with njpw world or other online streaming services. i dont know if it would help anything, but i would like to have searchable access, and preferably something that doesnt require me to vpn.
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May 16, 2022 06:55
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More explosions, more face paint
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Defenestrategy posted:Jungleboy is a really bland white meat baby face working after 1997 who in any other company would be exceptional rather than just a super solid wrestler and they paired him with face christian who is only slightly more interesting by virtue of nastolgia and these are the people the booking has focused on. I thought my literal child (7yo) would be into Jungle Express because of the dinosaur man but by the second match he cared mostly about the dude who did all the flips and had great hair and only occasionally about the dinosaur who sometimes did a flip. Jungle Boy is the draw brother
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May 16, 2022 07:16
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He got so mad after the last couple weeks with the jungle Boy and danhausen losses, if he wasn't so into hookhausen I would think aew would have lost him.
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Dr. Quarex posted:If anything is hurting AEW now it is that somehow the current holders of the two most major men's belts are cutting fewer promos and having fewer matches. I mean in Hangman's case that is probably true and due to circumstances out of his control, but how did Jurassic Express get less interesting? And no I do not think the lack of Marko Stunt was a big factor, though honestly it did probably impact their overall presence, not that I am a huge fan of Marko's. Could it just be that Jungle Express have been exposed as not particularly interesting? It's the talented flippy guy in a company full of them, most of them are more charismatic at this point, and the totally unremarkable big guy.
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i think they're good and i can't wait for the jungle boy/christian feud i understand this forum needs to pick a new thing to Always Bad every week but c'mon
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May 16, 2022 09:11
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I feel like they’ve barely defended the titles despite holding them for a hundred years. Have they been doing it on dark or anything?
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they've had five televised and one PPV defense since winning the titles in January...
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May 16, 2022 09:28
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It's not that Jungle Boy is bad, he's great. But he's great in a Ricky Steamboat way. And it's not 1989 anymore. More than even mic skills he's going to have to find some way to capture the audiences imagination character-wise. Otherwise the matches will be great but there's going to be a protagonist shaped hole in every segment he's in.
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History Comes Inside! posted:I feel like they’ve barely defended the titles despite holding them for a hundred years. Have they been doing it on dark or anything? They've defended the belts six times since January. Against the Dark Order (Dynamite), Private Party (Rampage), the Gunn Club (Rampage), reDRagon and the Bucks (Revolution), The Acclaimed (Dynamite) and reDRagon (Dynamite).
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May 16, 2022 09:33
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forkboy84 posted:Could it just be that Jungle Express have been exposed as not particularly interesting? It's the talented flippy guy in a company full of them, most of them are more charismatic at this point, and the totally unremarkable big guy. 
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May 16, 2022 12:08
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I worry about peoples memory and hearing in this forum.
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May 16, 2022 12:23
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I remember the ppv defence but the rest have managed to slide directly out of my brain. They haven’t been very memorable as champions.
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History Comes Inside! posted:I remember the ppv defence but the rest have managed to slide directly out of my brain. A real string of unmemorable four star matches.
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May 16, 2022 12:53
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When every match is a 4 star match then no match is a 4 star match
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May 16, 2022 13:00
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All the old wrestling straight men think Jungle Boy is what appeals to young women but it's actually
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History Comes Inside! posted:When every match is a 4 star match then no match is a 4 star match Yes, the problem is that too many of the matches are good.
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Lamuella posted:Yes, the problem is that too many of the matches are good. Well yeah, kind of? I’m not saying they should have worse matches to make the good ones stand out more because that would be stupid as gently caress, but it doesn’t feel silly to say that when there are so many good matches going on it takes something really significant to make any particular one stand out in my memory. Edit: also no I’m not actually saying there are too many good matches as a criticism History Comes Inside! fucked around with this message at 13:45 on May 16, 2022 |
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May 16, 2022 13:39
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Like the whole storyline is they are unbeatable as a tag team right now (until they hit FTR), but Jungle Boy can't get a win on his own. Jungle Boy is insanely good for his age and in general, a killer "needs to make the hot tag" guy, and imho the best in-ring of the "pillars". The only people my wife & kid, as casual fans, are more excited about seeing on the screen are Danhausen and Hook. I think the problem is y'all if you are not into JE.
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Is there a way to get fite.tv url with timestamp. Like with youtube you can add "&t=23m30s" or whatever.
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Jungle Express just don't have a very juicy storyline to latch onto week to week at the moment, in my opinion. The world title doesn't either a lot of the time, but Hangman/the world title in general have enough of an aura to make those periods still feel impressive. The tag titles/Jungle Express don't quite have that prestige even if they still put out quality matches, so they just feel a bit weird at the moment.
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yeah but Luchasaurus literally goes "bleh" instead of cutting promos so who cares about that
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projecthalaxy posted:yeah but Luchasaurus literally goes "bleh" instead of cutting promos so who cares about that aPpLeS
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Suplex Liberace posted:I worry about peoples memory and hearing in this forum. Me too Sometimes my own
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Jungle Boy not being over is crazy when the recent dynamite had the crowd biting on Christian turning on Jungle Boy after the FTW match
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Jungle Boy not being over is crazy when the recent dynamite had the crowd biting on Christian turning on Jungle Boy after the FTW match He's only crowd over
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Jurassic Express rule and their matches have been great. I do agree with the take that it's sometimes hard to pick out standout matches for everyone when almost every mach is like 4* and above. It's not a problem, but it's easy for some great matches to get lost in the shuffle due to the amount of great matches there are. That being said, JE are clearly over and the crowd still goes nuts for Luchasaurus when he gets that hot tag. Their reign may feel a little weaker than others because they don't necessarily have a marquee feud to pin their reign on, as the story of their reign seems to be Jungle Boy's confidence/struggles with eating pins and if it's going to lead to a turn from Christian. Excited about the prospect of the titles getting moved to Starks/Hobbs or Swerve/Lee at DoN and where we might go from there. Both of those teams are loving great. I wonder if Christian finds a partner to even the odds with JE or if he has a singles feud against Jungle Boy if/when he turns on them?
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Personally I think we need more Bryan Danielson in AEW.
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For clarification, despite sort of starting the Jurassic Express conversation, I have a Luchasaurus shirt and love him dearly and am definitely a fan of Jungle Boy, which is why I am confused how it seemed like they have had less attention focused on them since winning the belts. It does probably help that I enjoy Luchasaurus promos and they are now functionally absent, per Projecthalaxy's comment Ricky Starks is probably my favorite all-around AEW talent though*, though I also quite like Hobbs, Swerve, and Keith Lee too, so I really imagine whatever happens next will be great *and he needs at least one t-shirt that does not look like it is advertising a male escort, not that this is inappropriate for his gimmick at all
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Manwithastick posted:In your opinion, what is keeping AEW from doing better in the ratings? I like wrestling a ton, but it's still a "eh, I'll watch it next week" thing for me. There's so much of it available, I don't feel like I miss anything by skipping a show.
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Trying posted:He's only crowd over I appreciate this. Made my lol irl. It's like the final form of that joke. Come to think of it "He's only (blank) over" is a form of goalposting that I never considered until today.
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Personally i think... we just need one goalposting format
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I mean the thing is, yeah, if you have any understanding of wrestling-as-drama, good booking can be predictable because it's "this person is winning the match because they're being pushed right now and this person isn't." Even at the climax of a feud it may seem like there's a clear way to go, like Adam Page had to win at Full Gear. There is some room for surprises. I was a little pleasantly shocked when the Lucha Bros. became the #1 contenders, beating Jurassic Express- but both teams were, at that point, reasonable opponents for the Young Bucks. But it can be hard to set up situations like that over the long term.
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Just have my favourite people win all the time. It's so easy but no one does it
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Maxwell Lord posted:I mean the thing is, yeah, if you have any understanding of wrestling-as-drama, good booking can be predictable because it's "this person is winning the match because they're being pushed right now and this person isn't." Even at the climax of a feud it may seem like there's a clear way to go, like Adam Page had to win at Full Gear. I'm happy if I'm surprised a couple of times a month. I think I pretty much get that out of AEW. Tournaments really help because by their nature the top people will face each other. What I'm saying is I want an AEW-1 round robin tournament every fall to seed the rankings going into the new year.
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