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D&D 3.5 was really loving bad, and barely able to even do D&D, let alone anything else, despite how it was pitched as a universal system. Unfortunately 5e is doing all the same poo poo complete with a glut of half-assed licensed games.
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ric flair is old https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/33927221/legendary-wwe-wrestler-ric-nature-boy-flair-step-ring-one-final-july-according-sources
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:ric flair is old lol
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I showed my girlfriend that story and a picture of what Ric Flair currently looks like and she asked me, "Why would he do that?"
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May 16, 2022 19:53
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ric flair is unable to quit because of alimony payments and because like all wrestlers he is a crazy person
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May 16, 2022 19:57
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Also lmao that he's a legendary "WWE" wrestler
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ric flair who has untold amounts of unpaid debt that no person can pay off in a single lifetime once started a company called ric flair finance where ric flair gave financial advice
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BiggerBoat posted:That's really weird that it sucked. That's actually a pretty accurate summary of what WWE Know Your Role was, the trouble was: Ghost Leviathan posted:D&D 3.5 was really loving bad, and barely able to even do D&D, let alone anything else, despite how it was pitched as a universal system. Unfortunately 5e is doing all the same poo poo complete with a glut of half-assed licensed games. Know Your Role was hardly unique in this regard. We saw this time and again with OGL products that try to do something other than Dungeons and Dragons. Now, I will admit that there is a certain appeal to playing an RPG like a physics engine that's easy to break, and the d20 rules do give that feel. It's the same reason you would play Skyrim - you want to see horses spazz out or infinite cheese floods. But for that to feel fun rather than an annoyance you need a certain type of setting and story where this level of jank is acceptable, if not expected. For all the ways Pro-Wrestling can get goofy, whether Work or Shoot, it's not ever 'broken physics engine' goofy. 3.5's dirty secret is that as much as Spellcaster Supremacy is derided, if you just take away spells and magic - the cheat codes that let you circumvent the engine - it becomes really, really dull.
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I CAN FIX THAT *throws a giant pack of paper towels in the air while screaming COME GETTA MATCH*
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BiggerBoat posted:I didn't see this mentioned here but they're making a pro wrestling RPG video game Dicebreaker did a playthrough of World Wide Wrestling once. They had fun with it, although the system seems kind of awkward and it's obvious one player was struggling with what to do as she didn't know anything about wrestling. You'd probably need a group who'd be confident going hard RP like that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK2rD6txtXE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJEbI5xY3E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWBytslHx2M
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Monday Night Raw is a scripted live TV show whose characters are expected to perform the requirements of their contract.
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Voting Floater posted:Dicebreaker did a playthrough of World Wide Wrestling once. They had fun with it, although the system seems kind of awkward and it's obvious one player was struggling with what to do as she didn't know anything about wrestling. You'd probably need a group who'd be confident going hard RP like that. You're also not playing wrestlers during a show, but a wrestling fed doing a show, which I can imagine might throw some people and is three kayfabe layers deep, so its very much a game for nerds with a deeper understanding of the minutiae of wrestling to play than a casual fan who remembers some big names and likes seeing big spots, as it were.
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If this thread taught me anything, it's that a true wrestling RPG shouldn't be about HP, stamina, about how much damage your suplex does, or about whether you can overcome a hard boss to win the championship. It should be about style, about how good you are at really selling the Stunner you got hit with, about how well you work with the other wrestler no matter which of you is supposed to win, about getting the crowd to love you or hate you appropriately, and then about getting popular enough to get a championship match that you're supposed to win (but you goddamn better make the match look good or you won't keep it for long).
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Torchlighter posted:You're also not playing wrestlers during a show, but a wrestling fed doing a show, which I can imagine might throw some people and is three kayfabe layers deep, so its very much a game for nerds with a deeper understanding of the minutiae of wrestling to play than a casual fan who remembers some big names and likes seeing big spots, as it were. *angrily crumples up character sheet with 'Chilly McFreeze' scrawled at top*
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I remember when Ahmed Johnson was getting a push for some reason. Wrestling promos could be an absolute trainwreck of logic, but this guy took it to a whole new level https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bGErn95VGQ
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:It should be about style, about how good you are at really selling the Stunner you got hit with, about how well you work with the other wrestler no matter which of you is supposed to win, about getting the crowd to love you or hate you appropriately, and then about getting popular enough to get a championship match that you're supposed to win (but you goddamn better make the match look good or you won't keep it for long). It's absolutely about all those things, in doing so taking a form just different enough that people who expect the former can trip a little. I certainly think there's more meat on the bone in the sphere it targets, there's only so often you can roll to hit your comeback sequence and smash someone with a chair over, well, hitting your comeback sequence and smashing someone with a chair performatively after a show that started disastrously with the lights and power getting real faulty. Prof. Crocodile posted:*angrily crumples up character sheet with 'Chilly McFreeze' scrawled at top* No no, you're still ultimately playing your character, its just about rolling to cut a good promo witha dead mic that people connect with rather than rolling to hit the Ice Age and pin your enemy Global Warming.
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Origin posted:I remember when Ahmed Johnson was getting a push for some reason The reason was just look at him. I had a similar response to Ahmed as i did to Brock when he debuted. Look at this loving monster hey honey come in here you have to see this guy One of them turned out to be a legendary wet turd and the other turned out to be legendary and a wet turd
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9qXNJtWYGg How is Billy Corgen running a wrestling thing and doing a tour with Perry Farrell?
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dixie carter almost sold TNA to two neo nazi's completely by accident lol
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Prof. Crocodile posted:*angrily crumples up character sheet with 'Chilly McFreeze' scrawled at top* What's wrong with "Professor Crocodile"? I'd totally wrestle that guy.
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The latest wrestling thing of interest right now is how Sasha Banks and Naomi straight-up walked out of WWE the evening of Raw when they were supposed to be in the main event. A few years ago, WWE introduced tag titles for the women's division. Sasha Banks and Bayley were the initial winners and the two were adamant about making it mean something. It was their passion project. Then they were booked to lose the titles after about a month and a half and they were pretty upset about it. Then for the next few years, the women's tag titles meant poo poo because WWE just didn't have the effort to work around the limited roster size. Fast-forward to this year's WrestleMania, where Sasha and Naomi were given the titles for the sake of placating them. They figured, fine, they would take the ball and run with it. Once again try and make the tag titles mean something. Then on Monday, the writers wanted to do a multi-woman match in the main event where the winner would be #1 contender for the Raw women's singles title. Naomi was supposed to win it. Not only did the finish have nothing to do with their current tag team rivalry (despite both women being in the match), but Naomi being involved in the singles title picture would have removed the tag titles from the narrative for 2-3 months. The two talked to Vince, who was receptive of the criticism, but apparently the writers and agents were all pissed about it all. After being told repeatedly to change their attitudes and stop questioning the people in charge, Sasha and Naomi decided, gently caress it, done. They dropped off their title belts and walked off. A couple hours later, WWE released a statement that tried to throw the two under the bus, claiming that the two considered certain members of the roster unsafe (alienating frustrated talent is their go-to move). The statement also bemoaned how matches like that take EIGHT HOURS of preparation. They also had commentator Corey Graves drop mention of the incident on TV to explain the replacement main event, while making sure to call them unprofessional ingrates. It's hard to say what this will lead to. Stuff like this has happened with Steve Austin, CM Punk, Neville/Pac, and Ali and the aftermaths have been all over the place. WWE will probably just let them stew at home until either their contracts run out or they get bored enough to come back.
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TheSwizzler posted:Could be a work. Nah. All I keep hearing is how "nobody wants to work" anymore so it's probably that.
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TheSwizzler posted:Could be a work. Other than WWE doing the stupidest thing possible because they're WWE, I can't see it as being a work. Sasha has had a history of butting heads with the top brass, including a time when she was sitting at home asking to be let go. The whole thing feels too similar to how WWE handled it when Austin walked out. Plus it's laced with WWE's latest tendency to say, "This person wants to leave? Well, we're going to discredit them and tell everyone what a gigantic pain in the rear end they were behind the scenes!"
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Gavok posted:Other than WWE doing the stupidest thing possible because they're WWE, I can't see it as being a work. That's a good point, but the fact they put the burial on the air instead of just in some tweet or news release makes it just seem a bit more work-y has Vince Russo been spotted sneaking around any recent events?
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TheSwizzler posted:Could be a work. its always a work except when its a shoot brother
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TheSwizzler posted:That's a good point, but the fact they put the burial on the air instead of just in some tweet or news release makes it just seem a bit more work-y They did a press release where they basically both exposed the business and also made up a story about Sasha and Naomi being unwilling to work with some of the other women in the match. It's 100% Vince being petty as gently caress.
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Sasha Banks seems pretty cool (I base this entirely on her appearance on "Hot Ones", the youtube show where people eat chicken with hot sauce).
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TheSwizzler posted:That's a good point, but the fact they put the burial on the air instead of just in some tweet or news release makes it just seem a bit more work-y Again, see the time Austin "took his ball and went home." They straight-up brought in the Rock at the last minute to make a special appearance to bury Austin as the main event of that Raw. Maybe Austin's final years should be the next effort post.
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What happened with Austin? I though that he's one of those legacy wrestlers they keep begging to come back for a ratings bump.
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austin refused to wrestle hulk hogan but they were both in bad shape and neither was going to able to carry the other to a good match so it was a good call on austins part imo
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pentyne posted:What happened with Austin? I though that he's one of those legacy wrestlers they keep begging to come back for a ratings bump. I don't know but I'm just going to say he makes more money off Onlyfans now. Also he wrestled at the last wrestlemania
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He came back at wrestlemania this year to face kevin steen in his first match in 19 years. It was a very well-told story in the ring imo. Stone Cold picked a good time to retire. He always looked great when he did make appearances since he got out while he was still reasonably mobile. He looked like he still had years left in him. He always looked like he could still go hard even as nearly 20 years marched past. When the match started, though, it became apparent that he couldn't go. It was sad and a little heartbreaking that he was going to Flair himself by having a burning diaper of a match. He got ran into a ring post and cushioned the impact with a forearm which apparently burst a blood vessel judging by the gross bruise that blossomed within seconds. He looked slow and frail and broken down despite his neck and arms still looking thick and strong. Then he took a suplex onto the concrete which seemed to wake him up. The rest of the match was not great but by the end of it he definitely looked different than he did going into it. He never looked like he did when he was in his 30's but what he did do out there wasn't an embarrassment, which seemed like a foregone conclusion during the first several minutes of the match. I have to assume all of this was intentional for the purpose of telling a story like the one in Rocky Balboa, a story where a former champion in his 60's starts to feel the fire again and wants to go out with one last moment under the spotlight even though he's too old and too hosed up. To a lot of people though, either the story didn't land or they could never shake the first impression that the match was a pathetic attempt to grasp at former glory and to instead be completely exposed. That wasn't what i saw though. I saw a diminished but still passionate legend who worked around his limitations to deliver a more subtle and interesting wrestling performance than i think I've ever witnessed.
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pentyne posted:What happened with Austin? I though that he's one of those legacy wrestlers they keep begging to come back for a ratings bump. it's way in the past but notable for how quickly, viciously, and deeply wwe turned on the most popular wrestler in history
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Was he still able to catch a beer and slam it?
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TheSwizzler posted:That's a good point, but the fact they put the burial on the air instead of just in some tweet or news release makes it just seem a bit more work-y Nah, that tracks with how petty Vince is
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War and Pieces posted:Was he still able to catch a beer and slam it? Yes. At least a third of the match was him drinking beer.
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Detheros posted:Nah, that tracks with how petty Vince is its not even the first time vince has done this
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This is an amazing thread and helped me relive the attitude era and all the backstage drama. I'd always read some website I don't remember for the guy's opinion on the upcoming Raw and Nitro, and he would briefly go into some of the backstage drama after each show. Someone effortpost about Kurt Angle. Dude was amazing back in the day. Great on the mic-always came off as a full of himself dickhead, always got booed. Great wrestling skills (duh), always looked like he was trying hard in the ring, and could legit carry people (he broke Hardcore Holly's arm in a match, and they somehow finished the match).
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