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josh04 posted:PCSOs are paid and aren't police, special constables aren't paid and are police. Specials are basically members of the public who are not paid, but do physically intervene (i think they have to file paperwork as well). For the most part they are people who couldn't get into the 'regulars' but still want to dress up and crack some heads of a friday night. Imagine the mindset of your average TA / reserves freak, but cop. The main difference is that regulars largely treat PCSOs with contempt, but view specials with more respect. What's really funny is that you can get promoted pretty high in the specials (it goes up to deputy chief constable IIRC) but there's no parallel promotion to regular. So if they want to get paid, they would have to apply, do all the regular training and start at the bottom. If you get high enough in the specials it can actually count against you, with that usual bullshit of being overqualified and assuming you'd be 'unsatisfied with the work' as opposed to 'finally getting paid.' Frankly I'm surprised Patel didn't expand the specials sooner - they're a lot less regulated, they tend not to be screened for EDL affiliation as strictly*, and they're almost all baz cop stereotypes (whereas the regulars have people who want to blaze through the lower ranks to get to the nice, inactive dury career options, specials just want to run about town centres beating up drunks and minorities). * Which is to note with the regulars, you can't join if you're a member, but you can pass all the checks and then join the EDL and nobody will ask any questions as long as you aren't too public about it.
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Ronnie posted:So is Truss just setting out more idle threats in regards to Brexit in NI? Their is no plan, is their? Just make demands and blame anyone who says no.
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May 17, 2022 16:45
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Ol' Snatcher would be proud of this capitalist spirit https://twitter.com/sports_badger/status/1526549516597530628?t=7cXfcJuPbFy-4wKMh-XNLg&s=19
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specials are indeed fully trained, warrant card carrying cops who do it for free avoid even more than the paid piglets, imo
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DesperateDan posted:specials are indeed fully trained, warrant card carrying cops who do it for free A lot of them must be earning from bribes. But yeah.
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https://twitter.com/JackElsom/status/1526517164043382784?s=19 Cassetteboy appears to have assumed full control of the levers inside Johnson's brain
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jobsjobsjobsjobsjobs vs crimecrimecrimecrimecrime
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going to be extremely exciting watching starmer try to out crime a fully armed and operation priti patel
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OwlFancier posted:jobsjobsjobsjobsjobs vs crimecrimecrimecrimecrime The centrists will win by promising more jobs and more crime
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Brendan Rodgers posted:The centrists will win by promising more jobs and more crime More jobs = more workers, and we know what the workers do. crimes
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May 17, 2022 17:24
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It never goes away as an issue, but I don't feel like we're in the middle of any kind of (real or imagined) crime wave? Not even in tabloid outrage land? I guess when you can't talk about the economy or the NHS or anything else you have to go quite far down the list to find a safe focus.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:PCSOs are paid about 20k I think to do minor jobs you don't need an officer for, like harassing teenagers outside the shops or guarding minor incidents, or keeping an eye on things that might later require a grown up. They shouldn't really physically intervene, but they sometimes do in emergencies. A society is reflected in it's cops. Americans are more heavily armed than the military with a hair trigger, brits are racist little Englanders with a tendency to forelock tug to the posh and bury mistakes, in Russia they just blatantly hold their hand out for the bribe and in religious dictatorships they'll kill you for being gay.
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it does seem odd for a Tory government to not want to run on economic issues at a time when economic concerns are rising - traditional party strength - but trust in this government on the economy is remarkably low the timing on crime is perhaps due to inevitable media coverage on the midyear iteration of Operation Sceptre: you're going to be hearing about it anyway etc. Plus, free culture war jabs thrown in, why not.
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/JackElsom/status/1526517164043382784?s=19 Crime crime crime indeed https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1526601955145129985
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The stage is set for Starmer to point out that he's very forensic at crime and will do what the tories are promising but more
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Brendan Rodgers posted:A lot of them must be earning from bribes. But yeah. I think you'd be surprised how few of them are. I was a paramedic for a while, and the volunteer ambulance people were 95% motor-mouthed Elevenerife wonks who wanted to roleplay as every hard bitten cynical paramedic in every film ever, and they'd stab their own granny for a little bit of status and recognition. Most of the ambulance service's engagement with them was stopping them getting themselves or others killed by diving in headlong to dangerous situations they weren't qualified for, and you had to watch them like a loving hawk to stop them buying their own uniforms and gear, liverying their cars up with ersatz decals and attempting invasive medical procedures they were totally unqualified for. When the NHS gave out these lovely pound shop medals as a thanks for helping during COVID they were displaying them like they'd won the VC. Yer average blue light cosplayer isn't in it for the money, the social aspect or because they're interested, they want to be a special person who gets specially recognised for being the bestest and most important. Honestly, the prospect of encountering the polis equivalent, armed and off the leash, makes my blood run loving cold. Skulker fucked around with this message at 18:02 on May 17, 2022 |
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Crime crime crime is what he wants us to focus on. Is this confirmation he's had another two fines issued?
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ronya posted:it does seem odd for a Tory government to not want to run on economic issues at a time when economic concerns are rising - traditional party strength - but trust in this government on the economy is remarkably low
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If I had to guess the best reason to pick it would be because I genuinely do not know how starmer can object to any of it, he loves cops, I genuinely do not think he can object to anything that expands police powers or puts more people in prison.
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Gorn Myson posted:Its also an easy pivot because its already fairly ingrained into British media that under Sadiq Khan London has hit a murder rate comparable to Caracas. priority of crime on the most pressing issues list has declined a fair bit since the 2019 GE (and then, you know, covid-19) peak London Knife Crime media sensation was in late 2018/early 2019. Recall it was resonant enough for Corbyn to attack CON for violent crime doubling under their watch (because austerity etc).
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More details about the arrested MPquote:A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: “In January 2020, the Met received a report relating to alleged sexual offences having been committed between 2002 and 2009.
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Skulker posted:Most of the ambulance service's engagement with them was stopping them getting themselves or others killed by diving in headlong to dangerous situations they weren't qualified for Very dramatic. Doesn't sound very much like a medics job though.
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I’m guessing this is the once ubiquitous Francois again.
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Morningwoodpecker posted:Very dramatic. Doesn't sound very much like a medics job though. Thanks for your input. Is there anything else you don't know poo poo about that you feel like weighing in on?
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wrwuruwhg ut us WRONG to throw uggs at mawgrut thutchuh they shud be used to maek WUT UGGS fuh the hawd wworking brutush people aruaurgfadkl; gafjk gl;;k;kll
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Dabir posted:Thanks for your input. Is there anything else you don't know poo poo about that you feel like weighing in on? Yeah OK, politics is the art of the possible. Your entire approach to it is fundamentally flawed.
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Could be nothing more than a bit of opportunistic fun, trying to push Starmer into a position where he ends up attacking Sadiq Khan for being soft on drugs, soft on knives etc. (The Tories must realise by now that Starmer absolutely is dumb enough to fall for this sort of transparent play.)
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He’s being discussed so much that even a bot that generates clickbait from trends has picked up on it lol https://twitter.com/clickbaitrobot/status/1526619073664143360
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Just felt the air sink around me. Like warm, breezeless (in the side to side sense), oppressive, but definitely moving down, then suddenly cooler air. If it's anything like what I'm thinking it is going to piss it down in about 5 minutes. Not something I've felt much of in the UK where storms usually blow in, but lol if climate change somehow gives a coastal African climate.Pistol_Pete posted:Could be nothing more than a bit of opportunistic fun, trying to push Starmer into a position where he ends up attacking Sadiq Khan for being soft on drugs, soft on knives etc. (The Tories must realise by now that Starmer absolutely is dumb enough to fall for this sort of transparent play.)
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Guido seems to be strongly implying something https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/1526630367603658753?s=21&t=QR_k2IG9j1ziB34w6f8rUA
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How I long for Chaos with Ed Milliband. Nothing can express the hatred and disgust I feel for De Pfeffel. He just does not give a poo poo for anyone but himself. https://twitter.com/RayStallwood/status/1526435358677909504?s=20&t=loR2fBOEL0BUIa8MjnwolA
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I see the queen's double has turned up to open the Elizabeth line today, and I gotta say, it's pretty convincing. Really nails the "actually a lizard" vibe. Test passed, should be good to go for the jubilee
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What a patriotic guyquote:Rosindell is well known for his interest in flags, being described in national media as a "flag fanatic". He is a member of the Flag Institute, an educational organisation that offers advice and guidance about flags and their usage.
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Guavanaut posted:Tasers operate on a quantum wave function where they're simultaneously a potentially deadly weapon that violates the Geneva Convention on torture when a pensioner who lives on their own has one at home and so safe and easy to use that someone with a weekend course and a hat can be handed one and allowed to walk around in public. As horrendous as it is, after watching the gun debate on here over the girl who lunged at trying to stab another girl getting shot to death, and having people try and claim that the cop should of used martial arts skills or shoot the knife out of her hand or some poo poo, it’s very difficult to take any level of discussion about physical and armed combat with anyone who doesn’t regularly do it. I’d much rather cops taser people with knives than leave it up to the officers with guns to be firing bullets.
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