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You know, it's very possible that Disney never, ever touches the period that comes after the sequel trilogy, and that's kind of a shame. Despite the ST's piss-poor worldbuilding, it actually leaves the galaxy in a more interesting place than it found it- essentially a total power vacuum. The Republic leadership and military are presumably eradicated, the Imperial remnants/First Order are seemingly shattered, and the Resistance is far too small and too varied of a coalition to ever hope to impose any semblance of order. The galaxy at this point is presumably atomized to thousands of little planetary systems and fiefdoms. Picture infinite corrupt local governments and warlords vying for power, a great many of them armed with planet-destroying weaponry salvaged from Exogol. How do you clean up that mess? The galaxy is at year zero, and everybody has nukes. That's a pretty interesting state of affairs.
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Sengoku star wars was always the best pitch for the ST and I suppose it pretty much remains the best pitch for a prospective SST. I think I could elevator pitch it successfully, but my heart is closer to my babu frik driving a small car concept so that would have to come first
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May 17, 2022 18:36
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General Dog posted:You know, it's very possible that Disney never, ever touches the period that comes after the sequel trilogy But then they'd have to come up with a new idea. Which they've proven themselves completely incapable of doing.
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May 17, 2022 18:49
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If they finally stop trying to cater to the “prequels ruined my childhood” people we could get some dope Star Wars. Those people or anyone who is still mad about them should not in anyway be pandered too or even acknowledged ever again. Just make whatever you want.
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May 17, 2022 19:35
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I mean, I think you're about to get what you want with the obi wan show. But be careful what you wish for, what disney thinks people liked about the prequels are highly likely to not be what people here liked about them
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May 17, 2022 19:38
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It’s a good start, as opposed to the JJ abrams method of “the prequels were a crime and should be erased” which lead to very little originality. Also a bad Star Wars show isn’t going to hurt me. Overall boba fett wasn’t good but whatever. It doesn’t keep me up at night lol
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May 17, 2022 19:40
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When have they really catered to anti-prequel stuff? They filled in the main gap in that story by finishing Clone Wars and the new flagship show is basically a direct sequel to ROTS.
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May 17, 2022 19:40
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CelticPredator posted:If they finally stop trying to cater to the “prequels ruined my childhood” people we could get some dope Star Wars. It does seem like they've gotten over that gradually, maybe people souring on the sequel trilogy had something to do with it. But I don't think they bring back Ewan Mcgregor and Hayden Christensen if they still thought invoking the prequels was some sort of third rail. They've also brought in a bunch of Clone Wars related stuff like Ashoka, Bo-Katan and the darksaber.
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May 17, 2022 19:40
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I'm not sure if Disney themselves cared about the Prequels but I think JJ Abrams definitely hated that they weren't just like the Original Trilogy and the marketing and comments from him definitely played up how they were going back to the spirit of the originals.
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May 17, 2022 19:42
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stev posted:When have they really catered to anti-prequel stuff? They filled in the main gap in that story by finishing Clone Wars and the new flagship show is basically a direct sequel to ROTS. TFA through to the last Jedi really. Rian snuck in some of his love for them in his film, and JJ was obligated to reference one scene In tros because the discourse around the prequels were changing. But he still took out any other references the previous draft had. Also remember they cancelled the clone wars and did Rebels which was all OT era, as was Rogue One and Solo. Like I was shocked when I saw super battle droids in Mando.
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May 17, 2022 19:43
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The prequels getting their turn for the same disney treatment the originals did (masturbatory cargo culting of things you remember with neither understanding nor original thought) is a pretty apropos fate, bring it on I suppose. "It's about hope" 
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Roth posted:I'm not sure if Disney themselves cared about the Prequels but I think JJ Abrams definitely hated that they weren't just like the Original Trilogy and the marketing and comments from him definitely played up how they were going back to the spirit of the originals. Yeah and it could’ve also been a bad robot JJ thing. Now that he’s gone, they might be more willing to go that route because they are mega popular still.
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May 17, 2022 19:44
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CelticPredator posted:Also remember they cancelled the clone wars and did Rebels which was all OT era, as was Rogue One and Solo. I assumed the cancellation of the Clone Wars when they took over was more about starting with a clean slate than any reflection of the stories involved, given they did it to a lot of other EU stuff.
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Yeah like I said post TLJ they eased up on the prequel hold or whatever you want to call it. Probably because the original 3rd film had many prequel locations front and center. It was JJ who just wanted none of it.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:They greenlight Bad Batch, and Rebels has plenty of Clone Wars era stuff in it. Wasn't Clone Wars eventually brought back to finish out its run as well?
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I think what CelticPredator is saying is that the Disney-era started out as relatively anti-prequel and then eased up over time.
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May 17, 2022 19:57
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Yea I do think you could argue that Abrams was the main player who didn't want to acknowledge the prequels. It was all over the marketing stuff for TFA.
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May 17, 2022 20:06
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Abrams hated the prequels so much he had Palpatine repeat one of his most famous prequel quotes verbatim.
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Larryb posted:Wasn't Clone Wars eventually brought back to finish out its run as well? Twice (kinda). After the buyout happened they finished up an abridged sixth season, then in 2020 they aired a short 7th season (made up partly of ideas from the unfinished 6th season).
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That’s the only time he ever said a single nice thing about the prequels. Look everyone likes that scene because everyone loves palpatine.
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May 17, 2022 20:08
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I accept that Abrams didn't like the prequels, but I just felt like Disney primarily wanted to tell the story that picks up after the original trilogy, and the prequels just weren't all that relevant to doing so.
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It’s less specially the prequel lore but more of they didn’t want to deviate from the OT because the people who hate the prequels tend to dislike the whole vibe of them. So to make wild unique ships was a bit too risky because they wanted to please the alienated OT fans who needed to see an X Wing.
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May 17, 2022 20:12
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CelticPredator posted:It’s a good start, as opposed to the JJ abrams method of “the prequels were a crime and should be erased” which lead to very little originality. I never got that from Abrams and there's at least one case where someone posing a question to him at a con tried to get him to diss the prequels and he refused to take the bait. Like, there's definitely some *reaction to* the prequels in how the ST was made- we don't get much explanation of the political situation because Oh No Politics in Star Wars is Boring, they go right back to Resistance vs. Not-Empire because underdogs is more interesting, etc.- but I don't think Abrams necessarily hates them, it's just being conscious of how people reacted to certain elements.
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quote:“I have a thought about putting Jar Jar Binks’s bones in the desert there,” he told his crew in front of Vanity Fair. Everyone laughed, but Abrams said, “I’m serious! Only three people will notice but they’ll love it.” efb
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May 17, 2022 20:54
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CelticPredator posted:TFA through to the last Jedi really. Rian snuck in some of his love for them in his film, and JJ was obligated to reference one scene In tros because the discourse around the prequels were changing. But he still took out any other references the previous draft had. There's definitely prequels stuff in TROS, but for the life of me I don't remember any prequels references in The Last Jedi. Was it the fact that Luke says the word "Sidious"?
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Spermando posted:There's definitely prequels stuff in TROS, but for the life of me I don't remember any prequels references in The Last Jedi. Was it the fact that Luke says the word "Sidious"? More the recognition that the Jedi loving suck I guess.
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I don't think blowing up Coruscant means JJ hated it, in the same way that I don't think killing Han means JJ hated him. He's picking something recognisable that the audience are attached to.
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I've always thought that if anything TLJ needed to be much more in dialogue with the prequels than it actually was. That would at least give it some potential for substance when talking about the supposed failures everyone needs to learn from which is what the film is about
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I’m doing a bad job at explaining which is fair because I have adhd brain and I’m doing a bunch of stuff while posting But I do think JJ abrams and co, including Simon pegg who wasn’t involved with the films story but is a friend of JJ’s, and was in TFA, and a huge fan of RLM’s plinkett videos, (his name in the film was Plunkett fyi) hate the prequels and really needed to go back to the OT to bring back the alienated fans. But that didn’t quite work as well as they wanted and Disney realized that while OT hardcore fans are still angry, the younger generation and many others don’t feel that way about the prequels so they brought in more prequel references and call backs post the last Jedi. Even though the last Jedi had had the most due to name dropping sidious (which I’ve seen people on this forum annoyed with) saying the Jedi were flawed, and referencing the anakin Jedi temple shot with Kylo at the end. After that, we saw much more prequel related things such as more shows, more designs (super battle droid in Mando) returning, characters returning (maul in solo which was a late edition), ect. The marketing to the franchise was less “we’re doing things practical and real and using location and sets” which is for sure a slight against the prequels. And started to just be. JJ Abrams was the guy in charge who hated the prequels, and now he’s out, and maybe we can get Star Wars that isn’t so afraid of being weird. (Prob not tho)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2MpKBgAs4o It was subtle but it was very much there.
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CelticPredator posted:
... That's it? That's the extent of his love for the prequels? If that's the bar, then TFA is packed with prequels references.
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https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/sta...00%2Fframe.html He’s posted about the prequels more on twitter
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Rise of Skywalker's visual design references the prequels a little, they're using marble again on the floors of their spaceships.
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Is JJ fully gone from the franchise? Disney only cares about money and he was very successful in that regard. I could very easily see them falling back to him again if another director, I dunno, attempts to make something that isn't pure nostalgia bait.
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Glottis posted:Is JJ fully gone from the franchise? Disney only cares about money and he was very successful in that regard. I could very easily see them falling back to him again if another director, I dunno, attempts to make something that isn't pure nostalgia bait. I don’t think there would be much interest from either side after things ended the way they ended.
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Glottis posted:Is JJ fully gone from the franchise? Disney only cares about money and he was very successful in that regard. I could very easily see them falling back to him again if another director, I dunno, attempts to make something that isn't pure nostalgia bait. TRoS made half what TFA made and a good chunk less than TLJ.
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I'm sure there is some universe where JJ comes back (they have some big bombs that line up with the ascendancy of the sequel kids demo, his new stuff is well regarded but doesn't keep him attached to a non disney entity). It probably has to happen before kennedy ages out, considering he is her baby. I'm sure it would be a pretty mercenary arrangement, but surprise so were his previous films
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Bring back George Lucas and specifically pander to the "he was only good when he had heavy push back from others!" crew and create a film built on a foundation of pure animosity.
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General Dog posted:I don’t think there would be much interest from either side after things ended the way they ended. There were rumors that Disney exes really hosed with ROS, even after JJ was brought in last second to "fix it". Things like the rumored jedi ghosts cut because of China, Finn finally being able to be force sensitive, a ton of stuff JJ wanted for the film that were forced to be cut. it's also why I think the rumored Matt Smith as a young palp thing got cut. I'm one of the biggest defenders of ROS, but the stuff that was rumored to be cut would have made it a better film for sure. The script for Duel Of Fates that everyone says is so great? It's not. It's not a better film than what we got.
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