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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Miftan posted:

Come on mate you've been around long enough to know that these pleas never work. If people ITT want to edge some liberal/tory oval office about how angry they're making them, I saw let them fill their boots.

As a wise man once said `When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea'.

E: 213 a supergroup with some pretty bad music, but without whom we probably wouldn't have gotten the all time classic Regulate

Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 09:46 on May 18, 2022

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bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Some bad news for British nazis

Nazi Alex Davies guilty of fascist group membership

quote:

It was put to Davies in court: "You are a neo-Nazi, yes?"

He replied: "Sure."

Stunning defence.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

bessantj posted:

Some bad news for British nazis

Nazi Alex Davies guilty of fascist group membership

Stunning defence.

Nowhere near the best quote

Analysis, by BBC home affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford posted:

This case should be the end of a particularly nasty episode of extreme right-wing politics in the UK.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Spangly A posted:

Nowhere near the best quote

Going to be honest, I didn't want to read his analysis.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Glad we've solved far right extremism. We can all relax noe

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Nazi Alex Davies sounds like such a nice chap other than the membership of a banned group.

"National Socialist Anti-Capitalist Action" is such a weak-rear end troll too, but it worked as bait for getting people who didn't care about antisemitism but did care about anti-capitalism to conflate the two.

issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding the terror group NS131. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
https://twitter.com/dom_translator/status/1526837440513712128?t=oDdMUzQkjDHZdiKURizgxA&s=19

I've never thought about it like that but it's so loving obvious, thanks Dom.

Also lol at the Dom Translator account

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/food-banks-cost-of-living-emergency-b2081613.html

quote:

Eastbourne is to become the first council in the UK to declare a “cost of living emergency” as a record number of people in the south coast town are forced to turn to food banks to survive.

The Liberal Democrat-run local authority is expected to pass the unprecedented motion later on Wednesday in a bid to address the sharp rise in poverty in the English seaside resort.

Eastbourne Foodbank has been the busiest in the UK over the past year – distributing more parcels per head than any other food bank, according to the Trussell Trust network.

Councillor Josh Babarinde said the emergency declaration would help Eastbourne Borough Council work more effectively with charities, as well as offering a “wake-up call” to Boris Johnson’s government.

“We need immediate action from the government – they have to realise that this cost of crisis has become an emergency because of their inaction,” said the Lib Dem councillor.

“People are coming to me every day saying, ‘I don’t know how I’m going to get by’,” Mr Babarinde told The Independent. “There are parents who are skipping meals all the time so their kids can eat.”

He added: “I spoke to an elderly lady who said she was going to have to turn off her TV completely, her lifeline, her only company, because of electricity costs. These are awful choices people should not be having to make in our society.”

Eastbourne Foodbank handed out 17,440 emergency food parcels per 100,000 people last year, according to the Trussell Trust – the highest rate in the UK.

Councillor Babarinde said the emergency motion would lead to a cost of living summit in Eastbourne so charities and food banks can collaborate with the council to make sure no-one slips through the safety net.

etc


I'm surprised to find Eastbourne isn't tory, I assumed it was the spiritual home of the Blue Rinse brigade.

And this turning off tv business is going to make sod all difference to the old lady because it is the standing charges that are really shafting people. If I were on the uptodate rates (on a fixed for another approx 18 months), my standing charges would be £18 a month or more. One of my neighbours is in her 90s and her tv really is 90% of her company.

<Digression> She turns up at my door sometimes when the tv stops working (last week I went round and she was trying to operate the tv with her Doro phone not the remote... she's a bit batty.) and it was the usual case of turning it off at the wall and on again. This is normally followed a few hours later by a delivery through my letterbox of a small box of chocs or similar.</Digression>

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Really the standing charge should be paid out of general taxation (like water rates should be). Even people who aren't hooked up to mains water or electricity still benefit from living in a society with lights and clean water, so the current way of doing it is effectively a poll tax and highly regressive.

Gaz2k21
Sep 1, 2006

MEGALA---WHO??!!??

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/food-banks-cost-of-living-emergency-b2081613.html

I'm surprised to find Eastbourne isn't tory, I assumed it was the spiritual home of the Blue Rinse brigade.

And this turning off tv business is going to make sod all difference to the old lady because it is the standing charges that are really shafting people. If I were on the uptodate rates (on a fixed for another approx 18 months), my standing charges would be £18 a month or more. One of my neighbours is in her 90s and her tv really is 90% of her company.

<Digression> She turns up at my door sometimes when the tv stops working (last week I went round and she was trying to operate the tv with her Doro phone not the remote... she's a bit batty.) and it was the usual case of turning it off at the wall and on again. This is normally followed a few hours later by a delivery through my letterbox of a small box of chocs or similar.</Digression>

Uhhh I live in Eastbourne and I believe our current MP is Caroline Ansell of the Tory’s, she’s a piece of poo poo and will no doubt find some form of photo opportunity in this article.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Thoughts?

I was down the boozer last night (pub quiz) we have a socialists team - out of the 5 of us, 4 have now left the LP and 1 is hanging on by his fingernails.

Anyway, we have some town council seats coming up soon and we got to discussing Breakthrough Party and whether we are better as 'free agents' independent of any party (tho' round here 'independent' usually means 'tory who has fallen out with other local tories'). And then we were thinking about community action.

I have this idea about a sort of 'communal kitchen'. In our town we have a handful of community halls some with decentish cooking facilities and various cafes and restaurants. I was thinking maybe at least over winter that maybe we could do some sort of communal daily hot meal type effort so people could either come and eat there or get a portion (30p perhaps - j/k) to take home and heat at home or freeze if they have those facilities.

BUT .. if we make arrangements like this are we only helping out the godawful tories by covering up their dreadful policies with a communal help thing. BUT people will need a lot of help especially over the winter. (Well depending on what they do with the summer 'school meals' things again - in Wales I think they'll be covered but I don't know for sure).

So dilemma:

(1) try to organize communal dining thing throughout the town and help people but also aid the tories' diabolical plans, or

(2) don't help people and they suffer and probably still won't see it as a direct result of tory policy but blame the local councillors for not doing anything (they get the blame for everything from dog poo to asylum seekers).

(3) ???

Our miserable bastard tory MP voted against windfall tax.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 11:46 on May 18, 2022

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Gaz2k21 posted:

Uhhh I live in Eastbourne and I believe our current MP is Caroline Ansell of the Tory’s, she’s a piece of poo poo and will no doubt find some form of photo opportunity in this article.

That would explain it, LibDem local council and tory MP.

I know it wasn't her but those photo opps of a tory MP guzzling a buffet in a foodbank are appallingly bad taste. Who on earth dreamed up that?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Go for a communal kitchen with clear political labelling and readily available literature for those interested. It's a tried, true, and incredibly effective strategy in times of hardship - and if you don't do it, some fascist party is definitely going to. See if Breakthrough is up for putting their name to it.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

'communal kitchen'
Do it but make it obvious what it's about. Think Black Panther breakfast clubs, the kids were better for being fed and got exposed to thought about why predominantly Black urban areas needed a communal breakfast club in the first place. BPP weren't softening the impact of white supremacy in America by feeding some kids at a branded event, you won't be harming class solidarity by expressing it.

e: ^^ yeah that

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I know it wasn't her but those photo opps of a tory MP guzzling a buffet in a foodbank are appallingly bad taste. Who on earth dreamed up that?
The writers are getting lazy.

Gaz2k21
Sep 1, 2006

MEGALA---WHO??!!??

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

That would explain it, LibDem local council and tory MP.

I know it wasn't her but those photo opps of a tory MP guzzling a buffet in a foodbank are appallingly bad taste. Who on earth dreamed up that?

She’s been in and out swapping places with Stephen lloyd of the Lib Dems he’s possibly one of the ugliest humans on the planet, one of the local football teams has a fan group called Pier Pressure (because…eastbourne) they’re a fun bunch and are very lefty in nature doing a lot of charity work and collections for the food bank I remember the last time Ansell lost they all gathered outside her office with a load of cans and chanted football songs at her.

Good times

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Also going to echo that you're only propping up the problem if you try to do it "apolitically" if you're a bunch of angry commies you can be that.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Only Kindness posted:

3. Shell quadrupling my electricity direct debit despite their own calculations saying it actually needed to go up by ~40%? Had the temerity to claim they "asked me to change it" myself and this was just a default, email must have got lost, ha ha. Lying cunts, git tae gently caress.

Same problem here, and their app that supposedly lets you change it yourself won't let you go below a ridiculously high minimum anyway.

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Thoughts?

I was down the boozer last night (pub quiz) we have a socialists team - out of the 5 of us, 4 have now left the LP and 1 is hanging on by his fingernails.

Anyway, we have some town council seats coming up soon and we got to discussing Breakthrough Party and whether we are better as 'free agents' independent of any party (tho' round here 'independent' usually means 'tory who has fallen out with other local tories'). And then we were thinking about community action.

I have this idea about a sort of 'communal kitchen'. In our town we have a handful of community halls some with decentish cooking facilities and various cafes and restaurants. I was thinking maybe at least over winter that maybe we could do some sort of communal daily hot meal type effort so people could either come and eat there or get a portion (30p perhaps - j/k) to take home and heat at home or freeze if they have those facilities.

BUT .. if we make arrangements like this are we only helping out the godawful tories by covering up their dreadful policies with a communal help thing. BUT people will need a lot of help especially over the winter. (Well depending on what they do with the summer 'school meals' things again - in Wales I think they'll be covered but I don't know for sure).

So dilemma:

(1) try to organize communal dining thing throughout the town and help people but also aid the tories' diabolical plans, or

(2) don't help people and they suffer and probably still won't see it as a direct result of tory policy but blame the local councillors for not doing anything (they get the blame for everything from dog poo to asylum seekers).

(3) ???

Our miserable bastard tory MP voted against windfall tax.

Get in contact with the National Food Service, they're a lefty group (writing in Tribune a lot) trying to increase community dining organisations with a longer term strategy of using them as a basis for a nationalised food provision network. Seems exactly what you need and two of the main leaders are based in Bristol and one is Welsh so aren't too far away to offer support.

Diorama
Apr 18, 2006

i remember when all this was fields

Gaz2k21 posted:

Uhhh I live in Eastbourne and I believe our current MP is Caroline Ansell of the Tory’s, she’s a piece of poo poo and will no doubt find some form of photo opportunity in this article.

Is TJ Hughes still around?

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Pretty amazing this isn't in any UK outlet:

https://twitter.com/MSN/status/1526620403442995201

Ataxerxes
Dec 2, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?
There was an article in a Finnish news site about proposed new changes by the UK to the NI border agreement? Have you folks got anything on that
? It seemed rather serious.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Brenda will be setting up one last hit before she toddles off.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Comrade Fakename posted:

Pretty amazing this isn't in any UK outlet:

...is it? :shobon: I'm not surprised in the least.

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Source seems pretty ropey.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

quote:

Is the pressure too much for Kate?
Palace staff recently reported a heated discussion between the couple, that they stumbled upon. The staff eavesdropped on their conversation where Kate expressed her unhappiness. As the site schlager.de reports, Prince William responded to her:
"When you married me, you knew what you were getting into!"

To which she is said to have replied:
"Maybe marrying you was a mistake."

After the argument, Kate packed her luggage and left for her parent’s house with her children. Apparently, everything is too much for them at the moment: the pressure and the expectations of the crown and the British population are weighing heavily on the couple.

Maybe I'm a fool but I doubt Oh!MyMag.de has an inside scoop at the palace that reports with quite this level of detail.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/food-banks-cost-of-living-emergency-b2081613.html

And this turning off tv business is going to make sod all difference to the old lady because it is the standing charges that are really shafting people.
Hell, same. My bill has trebled, because we were already being sensible with the thermostat, the boiler heat setting, turning off unused electrics, using draft excluders and so on. Our standing usage has trebled however. A warm day where we don't use the heating, washing machine, dishwasher, shower etc has gone from about 50p standing charge to £1.90.

A TV, especially a modern flatscreen, barely uses any electricity. Someone worked out a few years ago that turning off a monitor on standby saves maybe two pence a day. People are not just getting hosed by usage, they're getting hammered by the standard charge.

We still have a bunch of credit left over from before things went insane (the people who lived here before had crazy high usage and bulb estimated based off them - the day we moved in they'd used £7 of electricity and had the thermostat at 24). However at the rate we're burning through it, I doubt it'll last until Autumn. I'm hoping something has to change because it's almost summer and things are this bad, we're all going to be absolutely hosed this winter if the prices go up again. The £150 rebate barely touched the sides of this month's bills.

I guess part of the problem is how much the phrase 'we can't go on like this' has already been overused politically, and now it actually fits - society is going to loving collapse - and the house is being run by a guy who's dad literally wrote a book about 'how to profit off a society that's collapsing.'

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

So I proposed this a few weeks back but suddenly Omicron came to eat our souls, but I'm kind of inclined to organise an east London goonmeet. Two options:

1) meeting at the Escape bar in Stratford which I organised something at a couple of years ago

2) taking a leaf out of the Manchester nerd community's book, Currybeer! Which probably starts with meeting above for a quick pint then finding a curry place nearby.

Probably on a Friday evening or something, or a Saturday. Anyone think this sounds like a good and not too risky these days idea?

Edit: Keith will not be invited, don't worry

feedmegin fucked around with this message at 13:55 on May 18, 2022

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
No ones worried about getting Covid anymore, all the cool kids are instead panicking about getting Monkeypox.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Cross-posting from the COVID thread:

So, cases in the UK seem to be dropping away (down to "only" a quarter-million currently infected) and I've started fantasising about COVID being "over" at some point in the future. What I haven't decided is when I'd consider COVID to be over - when would I feel comfortable acting like I did before COVID was a thing, going to the cinema, eating out in public settings, not wearing a mask on public transport, that sort of thing.

My vague finger-in-the-air thought is "COVID is over once less than ten people die of it every day" - I don't think we'll ever be truly free of it. What are other people's thoughts on when they'd count COVID to be "over"?

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

feedmegin posted:

1) meeting at the Escape bar in Stratford which I organised something at a couple of years ago
Come on man, you could at least try and make the goonmurder a bit less obvious.

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
The Mail would print their newspaper on nothing but Carter Ruck injunctions before they'd hold off on that royal split story if it was true.

Gaz2k21
Sep 1, 2006

MEGALA---WHO??!!??

Diorama posted:

Is TJ Hughes still around?

Yeah mate, but we’ve got a TK max down the harbour as well now so it’s been shafted a bit

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
keith sucks but lol

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1526884794726027265

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Sky are putting the price of my phone and broadband up £11/month (almost a 50% rise) so it's time to switch. Are plusnet any good or avoid? Seem to be the cheapest at the moment for the basic stuff (don't need fibre).

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

sassassin posted:

Sky are putting the price of my phone and broadband up £11/month (almost a 50% rise) so it's time to switch. Are plusnet any good or avoid? Seem to be the cheapest at the moment for the basic stuff (don't need fibre).

I had plusnet for 4 years in my previous flat and almost never had any problem. It was fibre though.

I have Three homehub now as I don't have any landline - also almost no problems in nearly 2.5 years.

If you have good reception on 4G and don't need landline, might be worth looking at just having an unlimited SIM card and tethering off it (or getting a mifi type device). I can tether off my Smarty SIM in my phone - which goes over the Three network - so I've just got rid of my other mifi thingy saving a net of more than £10pm. Other changes are afoot but I prefer to do one at a time.

PS Don't forget landlines are moving to digital voice (VOIP) by 2025 anyway once they have figured out how to keep phones running with power outages or places with no signals!

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 14:45 on May 18, 2022

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Gort posted:

Cross-posting from the COVID thread:

So, cases in the UK seem to be dropping away (down to "only" a quarter-million currently infected) and I've started fantasising about COVID being "over" at some point in the future. What I haven't decided is when I'd consider COVID to be over - when would I feel comfortable acting like I did before COVID was a thing, going to the cinema, eating out in public settings, not wearing a mask on public transport, that sort of thing.

My vague finger-in-the-air thought is "COVID is over once less than ten people die of it every day" - I don't think we'll ever be truly free of it. What are other people's thoughts on when they'd count COVID to be "over"?

For me personally I am basically back to normal. It doesn't seem like the health service has much interest in pursuing further vaccination that will be given on a widespread scale, so the protection I have now against the disease is likely to be all the protection I will ever get (barring some future annualised vaccination program like flu where most of the uptake is among the elderly), and I don't believe I can go the entire rest of my life without getting the virus.

If your threshold is less than 10 deaths a day, what's your criteria for deaths? Died only from COVID, has COVID listed on the death certificate, or death within 28 days of a positive test? In England and Wales in 2018 there were ~1600 deaths from influenza, about 4 deaths a day, so if Covid recedes to become a seasonal virus like influenza we might hit a similar threshold if we do have a robust annual vaccine. On the other hand, if it's "COVID on the death certificate" you're looking at, consider that "deaths involving Influenza and Pneumonia" was ~29,500, about 80 deaths a day, and that might be a more comparable figure--it might even be the case that as COVID tails off we could see COVID deaths lumped into this number.

I'm not saying you're wrong to be more cautious than I am, but since we're no longer meaningfully trying to eradicate or supress the disease at the societal level it's now just a question of risk rather than considering the disease over. In my opinion it's not really a question of whether I get infected, just when. Which sucks, but if whether I get infected is not something I can actually change, I don't honestly care very much about when.

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!

Gort posted:

Cross-posting from the COVID thread:

So, cases in the UK seem to be dropping away (down to "only" a quarter-million currently infected) and I've started fantasising about COVID being "over" at some point in the future. What I haven't decided is when I'd consider COVID to be over - when would I feel comfortable acting like I did before COVID was a thing, going to the cinema, eating out in public settings, not wearing a mask on public transport, that sort of thing.

My vague finger-in-the-air thought is "COVID is over once less than ten people die of it every day" - I don't think we'll ever be truly free of it. What are other people's thoughts on when they'd count COVID to be "over"?

I think its pretty much done now op

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Covid over chat:

I can see myself continuing to wear a mask in any crowded or confined space esp in the cold and flu season regardless of covid.
As someone prone to respiratory infections, it's been great not having anything but the most mild cold once during the past 2 years.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Hardest part of switching was remembering my landline number. A few quid under what I was paying before with Sky, so between that saving and the £150 rebate payment coming in today I'm flying.

Flowers in the garden have started opening up as well. It would be nice out if half my neighbours weren't playing with their pressure washers.

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OzyMandrill
Aug 12, 2013

Look upon my words
and despair

sassassin posted:

Sky are putting the price of my phone and broadband up £11/month (almost a 50% rise) so it's time to switch. Are plusnet any good or avoid? Seem to be the cheapest at the moment for the basic stuff (don't need fibre).

I like plusnet a LOT. been with them over a decade, initially cos they were in Sheffield and so was I. They give 50p off per month if you recommend someone, and I had maybe 4 people put my username in the box in signup over the years, so I now get £2 off a month, which is awesome (nudge wink)
Anyway the best bit, apart from perfectly acceptable service including UK based call centres (with very northern accents usually), is you get a full POP3 mailbox - so you get anything@username.plus.com. When you sign up for poo poo you can then put the site name in like 'tescos@myuser...' or 'ponypornforums@myuser...' and if you start getting spam from them you can then set it to bin, etc.

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