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Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Please, please, can we change the topic.

Like Monomyth, it apparently has a release date of autumn 2022 and a beta on July 19th, anyone in on that?

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Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Quantum of Phallus posted:

who gives a gently caress

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Serephina posted:

Please, please, can we change the topic.

Like Monomyth, it apparently has a release date of autumn 2022 and a beta on July 19th, anyone in on that?

That's the "spiritual successor to Ultima Underworld", right?

So far we're 1 for 2 on UUW descendants. I am cautiously hopeful.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Serephina posted:

Please, please, can we change the topic.

https://twitter.com/keithjohnstack/status/1526548088646778881

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette
cool comic! I use to know that guy like 20 years ago

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

ToxicFrog posted:

It never comes up in game (presumably this lore comes from DeviantArt or something), but I am 100% here for the "Zan is trans and the Iron Legion welcomes all women of Orcish heritage, including trans half-demon ones" reading.

Goddamnit :negative:

Basically they’ve posted porn of the main character with a dick on 4chan but are also extremely transmisogynistic towards actual trans women and their body parts. This isn’t the thread to get into the details of how that whole hosed up way of thinking goes but the problem is 100% not making a game including trans women, it’s using it as a platform to attack trans women for being women.

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

Arivia posted:

Basically they’ve posted porn of the main character with a dick on 4chan but are also extremely transmisogynistic towards actual trans women and their body parts. This isn’t the thread to get into the details of how that whole hosed up way of thinking goes but the problem is 100% not making a game including trans women, it’s using it as a platform to attack trans women for being women.

that loving sucks, will :filez: hedon if i ever want to play it

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012


Tested out Hrot and got through the first level. First impressions is it feels like a lesser Dusk, although the soviet aesthetic has it charm.

Barudak
May 7, 2007


Whoa whoa whoa now I gotta ponder this.

Vikar Jerome
Nov 26, 2013

I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

Quantum of Phallus posted:

who gives a gently caress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl7Ha0InZFg

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

Quantum of Phallus posted:

who gives a gently caress

Overbite
Jan 24, 2004


I'm a vtuber expert
At least it’s not the Citadel.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Thank christ the New Blood guys rule.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
as a trans woman i have to say, i give a gently caress

Keith Stack
Nov 5, 2008

Automata 10 Pack posted:

cool comic! I use to know that guy like 20 years ago

Master Chief? Yeah, me too. Nice guy, but I never expected to see him gently caress in front of Cortana like that.

SeANMcBAY
Jun 28, 2006

Look on the bright side.



Keith Stack posted:

Master Chief? Yeah, me too. Nice guy, but I never expected to see him gently caress in front of Cortana like that.

I didn’t know you posted here. Love that comic.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuUIeEgT22M

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

I hate how Master Chief kissed someone who wasn't Echo 216

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Trapezium Dave posted:

I had a lot of fun with Project Warlock, it's definitely worth trying out.

Initial thoughts on PW after playing through the first three chapters are basically "I'm enjoying it, but"

I'm enjoying it:
+ gunplay is nice and it looks like there's a lot of meaty upgrades to dig into
+ art style is cool & distinctive (although it sometimes looks weird in motion)
+ crossbow has reusable bolts

But:
- I haven't unlocked any spells except Light and so far every level has been well lit enough that it's useless, so can't comment on the spellcasting aspect
- there appears to be zero verticality, each level is just a flat plane and the only use for aiming on the y-axis is hitting low-to-the-ground crawling enemies
- minimap is completely useless
- my hitbox seems to be larger than it feels like it should be and I will often be hit by projectiles I expected to pass harmlessly to one side
- level designers are overly fond of "you picked up the thing so we will spawn in a dozen monsters around you"

site posted:

as a trans woman i have to say, i give a gently caress

Yeah, I don't care at all about the developer wanting to get railed by a buff orc lady but I care quite a lot about the transphobia.

Cream-of-Plenty
Apr 21, 2010

"The world is a hellish place, and bad writing is destroying the quality of our suffering."

ToxicFrog posted:

Initial thoughts on PW after playing through the first three chapters are basically "I'm enjoying it, but"

I'm enjoying it:
+ gunplay is nice and it looks like there's a lot of meaty upgrades to dig into
+ art style is cool & distinctive (although it sometimes looks weird in motion)
+ crossbow has reusable bolts

But:
- I haven't unlocked any spells except Light and so far every level has been well lit enough that it's useless, so can't comment on the spellcasting aspect
- there appears to be zero verticality, each level is just a flat plane and the only use for aiming on the y-axis is hitting low-to-the-ground crawling enemies
- minimap is completely useless
- my hitbox seems to be larger than it feels like it should be and I will often be hit by projectiles I expected to pass harmlessly to one side
- level designers are overly fond of "you picked up the thing so we will spawn in a dozen monsters around you"

Yeah I beat PW. It's an extremely admirable effort from, to my understanding, a lone-dev who was like 17(?) when he worked on it; it's far better than anything I could ever accomplish. But at the end of the day, it was just too easy, too mindless, too one-note to consider it good or recommend it to others. I'm still interested in the sequel, since it looks like the levels are more complex, mistakes have been recognized, and that might bode well for its mechanical depth.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

site posted:

as a trans woman i have to say, i give a gently caress

Yeah, it sucks. I thought the game was alright (did one level, died to an elevator and forgot it was a [checks thread title] early FPS and that I had to save manually) but that sorta thing kills any drive to go further with it or recommend it.

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
In other news, The Force Engine has updated to Version 0.9 with full support for LucasArts' IMuse dynamic music engine. Meaning that there is now a full Dark Forces source port!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guZdWBQGh6k

All that's left before hitting v1.0 is a GPU-based renderer and whatever bugfixes need doin'.

Convex
Aug 19, 2010

The Kins posted:

In other news, The Force Engine has updated to Version 0.9 with full support for LucasArts' IMuse dynamic music engine. Meaning that there is now a full Dark Forces source port!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guZdWBQGh6k

All that's left before hitting v1.0 is a GPU-based renderer and whatever bugfixes need doin'.

Oh wow! I hope this means Outlaws support will be on the way :)

Also gently caress transphobia, as always :sigh:

JLaw
Feb 10, 2008

- harmless -
Man, huge kudos to that dude. I've been postponing a DF replay for this. :-)

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



The Kins posted:

In other news, The Force Engine has updated to Version 0.9 with full support for LucasArts' IMuse dynamic music engine. Meaning that there is now a full Dark Forces source port!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guZdWBQGh6k

All that's left before hitting v1.0 is a GPU-based renderer and whatever bugfixes need doin'.

:nice:

Will undust Dark Forces soon to try this out

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

ToxicFrog posted:

Initial thoughts on PW
- there appears to be zero verticality, each level is just a flat plane and the only use for aiming on the y-axis is hitting low-to-the-ground crawling enemies
Yeah, Project Warlock essentially being a modernised Wolf3D ortholinear map design was what drew me to it because I was curious as to how well that held up today. I think it works as a no-brainer run-and-gun shooter and especially because the levels aren't too big and don't go too deep on mazes.

I also didn't use the spellcasting, that felt like an experiment too far. There is an early spell that throws explosives like rockets which was the only spell I used throughout the entire game. It also made the level up system redundant too because the only things worth improving are health and ammo capacity instead of mana or strength (who picks melee attacks in a Wolf3D style game).

The Kins posted:

In other news, The Force Engine has updated to Version 0.9 with full support for LucasArts' IMuse dynamic music engine. Meaning that there is now a full Dark Forces source port!
iMuse added so much to that era of LucasArts games. As much as I liked Jedi Knight I was a little let down the dynamic music didn't make it in.

Convex posted:

Also gently caress transphobia, as always :sigh:
Same. :sigh:

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
Re: Hedon - I've tried hard to substantiate the claims Arivia keeps bringing up, and I believe a few other people here have as well, but none of us have been able to chase this particular cloud of smoke to a fire, and I haven't seen anyone else make similar complaints for me to check with. I think I'd feel better about the thread being derailed over this every now and again if evidence was provided of the Weird Orc Fetishist making Bad Posts, as opposed to just going off of memory.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
Man, finally having a working DF port -- from the same guy who didn't finish twice before, no less -- feels too good to be true. Good for him.

This thread has trained me to wait for the other shoe to drop. Hopefully his next blog post isn't "Since we're already talking about 'dark forces' controlling the government with space lasers, I want to take a moment to tell you about the greatest threat facing our nation today..."

Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 11:01 on May 18, 2022

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

The Kins posted:

Re: Hedon - I've tried hard to substantiate the claims Arivia keeps bringing up, and I believe a few other people here have as well, but none of us have been able to chase this particular cloud of smoke to a fire, and I haven't seen anyone else make similar complaints for me to check with. I think I'd feel better about the thread being derailed over this every now and again if evidence was provided of the Weird Orc Fetishist making Bad Posts, as opposed to just going off of memory.

I’m not going to go wading through a bunch of virulent transmisogyny on 4chan just to make you feel better. I’m okay with people choosing to believe me or not, that’s their choice. But I would ask you to reflect on how someone being really big into fantasy porn about women with dicks (or whatever exoticization or slur they use) on one hand while being incredibly hateful to actual trans women on the other hand is so instantly recognizable and understood by multiple posters here, and what that says about my unwillingness to engage with this poo poo just to make you feel better.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Sir Lemming posted:

Man, finally having a working DF port -- from the same guy who didn't finish twice before, no less -- feels too good to be true. Good for him.

This thread has trained me to wait for the other shoe to drop. Hopefully his next blog post isn't "Since we're already talking about 'dark forces' controlling the government with space lasers, I want to take a moment to tell you about the greatest threat facing our nation today..."

Birds. Birds aren’t real.

Overbite
Jan 24, 2004


I'm a vtuber expert

Arivia posted:

I’m not going to go wading through a bunch of virulent transmisogyny on 4chan just to make you feel better. I’m okay with people choosing to believe me or not, that’s their choice. But I would ask you to reflect on how someone being really big into fantasy porn about women with dicks (or whatever exoticization or slur they use) on one hand while being incredibly hateful to actual trans women on the other hand is so instantly recognizable and understood by multiple posters here, and what that says about my unwillingness to engage with this poo poo just to make you feel better.

I’m not trying to be accruing or anything I’m genuinely trying to understand your position but are you saying that because he has a certain fetish then that automatically means he posts transphobic stuff everywhere? This has been brought up every time hedon is mentioned and I always go digging to find something , anything to corroborate it but can never find anyone talking about it outside of this thread.

If I’m wrong about this and it turns out he is posting mad poo poo on some discord or 4chan then I’m sorry and I’ll go climb a tree or something but it’s been years and I haven’t seen anything other than “I’ve heard” in only this thread

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

the fact that it comes from arivia, of all people, should make people instantly skeptical.

Quantum of Phallus posted:

who gives a gently caress

Malcolm Excellent
May 20, 2007

Buglord
Anyone ITT betting on Duke?

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

always

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
can you play the duke leak on Mac or is it windows only

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Quantum of Phallus posted:

can you play the duke leak on Mac or is it windows only
Only a Windows version is present (all the Unreal 1 Mac/Linux games were farmed out to third-parties after the fact) and it sounds like Wine doesn't cope with it so well? Something about mouse handling going nuts unless you delve into the engine code or something, I can't check for myself but that's what I'm hearing.

Actual programmers are poking and prodding at the code, so maybe native non-Windows versions'll happen in the distant future, but it'll take a lot of heavy lifting and there's enough busted stuff to fix on the original intended platform first!

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Overbite posted:

I’m not trying to be accruing or anything I’m genuinely trying to understand your position but are you saying that because he has a certain fetish then that automatically means he posts transphobic stuff everywhere? This has been brought up every time hedon is mentioned and I always go digging to find something , anything to corroborate it but can never find anyone talking about it outside of this thread.

If I’m wrong about this and it turns out he is posting mad poo poo on some discord or 4chan then I’m sorry and I’ll go climb a tree or something but it’s been years and I haven’t seen anything other than “I’ve heard” in only this thread

Okay, if you insist. Putting it in spoilers, discussions of a bunch of not safe for work stuff and some transphobic slurs. If you're offended, someone asked for this to get explained explicitly and it's on top.

So I don't keep records of this poo poo or documentation because frankly gently caress keeping screenshots of people being horrible to me and people like me. I get enough of that every day without having to itemize it. Here's what I do remember:

There's a fairly big subculture of erotic art/hentai/drawn porn/whatever you want to call it of "chicks with dicks" which uses varying terms for its subjects: futanari is the most common one, but you also see it called dickgirls and traps and that kind of stuff. As other people have pointed out, it's easy to find art of this for the Hedon characters, and I believe from the devs themselves. There's nothing innately wrong with drawing this or getting off to it. Lots of trans women find it affirming and inclusive, actually.

However, it's important to note that this material does not categorically have trans women as its subjects. Instead, these narratives often posit a third sex of women with giant penises that is culturally and biologically distinct from actual trans women. And this is a distinction that is sadly given a lot of importance by many fans of this kind of work online, especially in places like 4chan, where they are publicly open about liking and getting off to futanari hentai or whatever they call it, while insulting, degrading, and excluding trans women especially on the basis of those women's identities and genital configurations. In other words, the actual "chick with a dick" thing that they enjoy as a kink, fetish, or site of sexual arousal is something they use to marginalize and denigrate people who actually live lives in those bodies.

This is unfortunately one facet of a larger pattern of how what trans women call "chasers" - cis men who are attracted to trans women - interact with trans women, seeing us as sites of erotic arousal and denying our humanity outside of when they're horny. It's something trans women warn each other about, and every time you get into a relationship you've got to worry if a cis man likes you for who you actually are, instead of just being the chick with a dick. This is also why a lot of other trans people in the thread are immediately responding so strongly to the allegation, because frankly we're unfortunately used to it happening by now.

So the problem isn't the Hedon guy creating Hedon, or even creating art of his own characters getting it on with their own dicks. That's fine. The problem is the two-faced nature and the continual chaser mode of getting off to bodies like ours while also objectifying us and making us subhuman, only useful for erotic pleasure while attacking us otherwise. So if you're digging it may not be in only one post, that might be what you're missing - it could be posting porn in one board and then complaining about trans rights in another. It's that realm of stuff where it's really obvious if you know what to look for and very hard to spot if you don't have prior experience with it.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

An Actual Princess posted:

the fact that it comes from arivia, of all people, should make people instantly skeptical.

..good point

Quantum of Phallus posted:

can you play the duke leak on Mac or is it windows only

Theoretically it should work in a VM Host that will pass 3D acceleration on - though I dunno how that goes on OSX these days with metaL and all

Deakul
Apr 2, 2012

PAM PA RAM

PAM PAM PARAAAAM!

Is there any transphobic content in Hedon itself?

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Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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Does it really matter? I mean if the developer is a bigot, and that ties into their kinks, and the product is clearly a reflection of their kinks it's hard to ignore.

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