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Didn't the Dark Pictures Anthology devs go out of their way to explicitly say their latest game wasn't going to do the same cliche as the previous ones.
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Hel posted:Didn't the Dark Pictures Anthology devs go out of their way to explicitly say their latest game wasn't going to do the same cliche as the previous ones. They did, and it didn't! I'm still not sure it was very good though. The Dark Pictures games have consistently been a letdown imo, they have some moments but all three ended up being either super heavily cliched or just kind of boring for most of the game. House of Ashes is probably the best in large part because it doesn't try to get clever with its premise, it just delivers basically exactly what it tells you it's going to be, and that's fun in its own way. I'm hoping The Quarry is going to be closer to what I want, since they seem to be suggesting it's more of a direct spiritual sequel to Until Dawn than the Dark Pictures games are, whatever that distinction may mean in real terms.
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May 18, 2022 19:54
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I like House of Ashes for having a pretty novel twist on vampires. Even if they hide that the monsters are vampires and not just Pitch Black Aliens until fairly late in the game. But as I said before that they have a CIA agent genuinely believe that Iraq has WMDs which is a lot less believable than there being ancient Mesopotamian underground monsters.
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May 18, 2022 19:58
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FreudianSlippers posted:I like House of Ashes for having a pretty novel twist on vampires. Even if they hide that the monsters are vampires and not just Pitch Black Aliens until fairly late in the game. In general I thought the Dark Pictures games are full of characters that are generally mostly forgettable or kind of obnoxious at worst, but House of Ashes had a couple that I thought were pretty badly written all-around. There was a lot of clumsy writing in House of Ashes honestly, but most of it was pretty forgivable if you treated the whole experience as a campy b-list horror movie, or it didn't matter that much in the big picture anyway.
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May 18, 2022 20:04
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MockingQuantum posted:House of Ashes is probably the best in large part because it doesn't try to get clever with its premise, it just delivers basically exactly what it tells you it's going to be, and that's fun in its own way. I really wish more games just did what they claimed with good execution, rather than trying to be clever and do twists or mid game genre changes.
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May 18, 2022 20:24
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I want a game that's Oops All Twists. You start it out, it looks like it's going to be a pretty standard 'you're the killer'. But wait, turns out the killer is your twin. But wait, your twin is actually an alien. But wait, you've been in a coma this whole time and people have been trying to wake you. But wait, it was all a plan by the local cult to drive you mad. But wait
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May 18, 2022 20:27
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Honestly same. The characters were lame, the action was predictable, its exactly what I wanted. I applaud them for giving it.
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May 18, 2022 20:28
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Morpheus posted:I want a game that's Oops All Twists. I will buy this sight unseen
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May 18, 2022 20:28
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Morpheus posted:I want a game that's Oops All Twists. I too would like more genuine Twin Peaks.
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May 18, 2022 20:36
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Morpheus posted:I want a game that's Oops All Twists. unfortunately this game exists but it is not a horror game, its a sci fi game, and its name is 13 Sentinels 
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May 18, 2022 20:52
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There's too many James Sunderlands and not enough Heather Masons out there. Give us more horror games about relatively normal, well-adjusted people just trying to navigate a hosed up situation
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May 18, 2022 20:59
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No Dignity posted:There's too many James Sunderlands and not enough Heather Masons out there. Give us more horror games about relatively normal, well-adjusted people just trying to navigate a hosed up situation I will never forget the church ambush in The Evil Within 2 where you can stay and fight it out but if you run away back through the door Sebastian goes "gently caress that!" Extremely relatable.
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May 18, 2022 21:02
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Morpheus posted:I want a game that's Oops All Twists. Indigo Prophecy
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Morpheus posted:I want a game that's Oops All Twists. The Dangan Ronpa series, sorta?
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May 18, 2022 21:44
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And Zero Escape games
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Mix. posted:unfortunately this game exists but it is not a horror game, its a sci fi game, and its name is 13 Sentinels 13 Sentinels is cool and good but I don't think it's quite that - it doesn't so much show you one thread and then a series of twists as it does give you fifty different mutually incompatible pieces of evidence that all clearly point to different answers about what's going on then slowly mash them together. Which is also great but a different flavor of great.
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May 18, 2022 21:48
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Indigo Prophecy was a good call though, that game was a masterclass in absolutely insane escalation that doesn't make a lick of sense
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May 18, 2022 22:00
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Vacant is a neat little free horror game about filming a ghost hunting show. About 30 minutes, mostly a walking sim, but really, really good at building tension.
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May 18, 2022 22:24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzsuUDPYF3I
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I had a friend challenge me to pay that when it releases. The fool. It's not a challenge if I was willing going to do it anyway.
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May 18, 2022 23:42
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What SH fans loved about 2: The symbolism, the designs, the ambience, the haunted characters, the subtle sense of dread Every developer after 4, M. Night Shyamalanishly: How about a shoehorned in twist??
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May 19, 2022 00:30
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Relin posted:time to get yelled at. i dont exactly see the point of trigger warnings when the media is designed to evoke those traumatic feelings in the first place (as opposed to say a news report on horrible events where the intent is different). i'm not sure i buy them writing the game plots to specifically target (as this bobsvids guys implies) whichever victim type to feel bad in like, a grudge way. bloober don't handle the subjects well. it's ok to feel bad from fiction. it's ok to not know that a bad feeling is coming when consuming media. it's also ok to not want to engage with media that makes you feel bad as well BUT i'm not sure it's the storytellers job to warn people - i think they CAN, certainly (trigger warnings dont annoy me or anything), but i'm not blaming them for the general trigger warning. i agree bloober are bad writers and hope they aren't remaking sh2
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Groovelord Neato posted:Cliche warnings would be pretty funny. THE GAME YOU’RE ABOUT TO PLAY SUCKS rear end. CONTINUE?
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Oxxidation posted:THE GAME YOU’RE ABOUT TO PLAY SUCKS rear end. CONTINUE? Picture me, sweating bullets, waffling between "YES" and "NO"
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Oxxidation posted:THE GAME YOU’RE ABOUT TO PLAY SUCKS rear end. CONTINUE? Look, I played Dead Space 1 & 2, I think I know what I'm getting into
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Discendo Vox posted:It might facilitate discussion for folks to go through each game in the SH series they're familiar with (or care to comment on) and identify strengths and weaknesses. What the hell, let me give this a shot. SH1 Strengths Relatively novel aesthetic and narrative choices, including supernatural aesthetic choices that regrettably weren't kept forward with later entries in the series. The aesthetic of horror works well with the tech limitations of the era, back when "fog" was a cheaper way to handle rendering, rather than a more expensive one. Weaknesses Poor combat even for its period, as well as poor voice acting. Notoriously obtuse find-the-object "puzzles", including the ending choices. SH2 Strengths Y'all know this stuff; complex metaphoric structures, hidden triggers for endings, strong themes and a surprise twist. Weaknesses Cutscene voice acting remains terrible. Combat remains weak, and not necessarily in service to the game's themes. Escort quests. Many of the seemingly profound or unanswered questions of the game just appear to be open plot threads. SH gets away with this...a lot, and not necessarily in a good way (and not in the sense that "Everything needs an answer" either). SH3 Strengths Significant combat system improvements. Heather Mason is a relatively well-voiced and agentic character with a meaningful character arc. Her silent dialogue reacting to the environment makes her the most realistic and believable (and interesting) character in the whole series -and basically the only competently written one. Weaknesses Those super-tricky/obtuse hard mode puzzles? They're just bugged. VB confirmed it with the lead translator on her LP. In keeping with the stereotypes of japanese IP development, SH3 spends a lot of time retreading material from previous entries. VA work and acting continues to be terrible. Highly linear environments. SH4 The Room Strengths The first-person apartment setting and its integration into the game loop, coupled with its subversion in the second half of the game. Some core aspects of the story, including the Seven-esque killer and his underlying plan, are strong. The game's attempt at using breakable weapons to create more combat variety. The Victims were, similarly, at least an interesting concept. Weaknesses The environment and path through the game is visibly and clearly disjointed. Many design elements, including the identities of the victims and enemy designs, are clearly a hodgepodge of available and incomplete assets, opportunistically combined. The actual execution of the Victims is pretty miserable. Like other SH games, character acting is is absolutely atrocious. Escort q- well, the second half of the game, really. There are also some significant sequence bugs. SH Homecoming Strengths Attempted to revamp the combat systems of previous SH games, which continued to have significant limitations. Attempted to humanize and do interesting things with the cult. Weaknesses Poor/incomplete writing and terrible QA, including severe flaws in its at least plausibly improved combat system. Openly derivative of the SH movies for no good reason, along with past entries. Completely failed in its attempts to do interesting things with the cult. More bad acting. One thing not necessarily evident from the outside: many of the open world "explore the town" areas of SH Homecoming have infinitely spawning enemies on a very short timer, with little distance between spawnpoints. I haven't played but I have strong opinions about : SH the Arcade Weaknesses If you haven't generally played or seen a different light gun game, it might not be as clear, but SH Arcade is missing a huge amount of the basic design signifiers and necessary elements to even function as a light gun game (like conveyance of enemy attacks). The whole thing is visibly and obviously not even a complete game, to a shocking degree. Hot Take Other than some important aesthetic decisions from the sound team members and Masahiro Ito, many of the things that make the SH series stand out aren't actually good or even necessarily new, or the product of intentional design. Instead, they're a matter of luck and the fact that the elements of the early games were new to us as players, and jibed well with period tech. The games, including those we loved most, were badly written (or at least badly acted) and often extremely derivative of other properties. While new, good entries to the SH series are theoretically possible, the confusion around what made the older games affecting, versus what actually made them good, and what aspects can be meaningfully transferred to new properties, is one half of why later entries from other developers have suffered. The other half is that the games seem just be badly made, and there's fewer tech limitations to excuse them at this point. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 04:58 on May 19, 2022 |
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Everyone should rate each Silent Hill game based on the only metric that matters: how good the joke ending is.
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Shattered Memories had an amazing joke ending. "I liked this story better when it was about demons and a cult"
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the bad silent hill had a very good joke ending where everyone got together for a big party
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DeathChicken posted:Shattered Memories had an amazing joke ending. "I liked this story better when it was about demons and a cult" Also has James heading to couples therapy but he got the day wrong again and his wife hasn't been attending for a while. And also "my mother was a bitch" lol Even the arcade game has a great joke ending where the ship captain boards a ufo and the protagonists board the Vic Viper to chase after him.
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FirstAidKite posted:Everyone should rate each Silent Hill game based on the only metric that matters: how good the joke ending is. Homecoming you could get the UFO ending on your first play through with normal actions. Absolute loving travesty of a joke ending. Also lol maybe more Abandoned drama to come: https://twitter.com/manfightdragon/status/1527072456174776322?s=21&t=sKQmAx-5Oyx4rIlfymVE8A Piss Witch fucked around with this message at 06:09 on May 19, 2022 |
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the silent hill voice acting isn't bad imo
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Lifeglug posted:Homecoming you could get the UFO ending on your first play through with normal actions. Absolute loving travesty of a joke ending. that guy was talking about that during a recent stream and i couldnt stop laughing about how the abandoned dev kept using exclusive footage/screenshots of it as a way to make people play rainbow 6 siege with him
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Oxxidation posted:THE GAME YOU’RE ABOUT TO PLAY SUCKS rear end. CONTINUE? Ah, Far Cry Blood Dragon
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Dr. Video Games 0135 posted:What SH fans loved about 2: The symbolism, the designs, the ambience, the haunted characters, the subtle sense of dread Did SH2 even have a big "twist"? It's been a really really long time since I've played it but I remember stuff like "They look like monsters to you?" happening fairly early on. I think a lot of the dread comes from figuring stuff out way before your player character does
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I thought Marys VA was very effective.
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goferchan posted:Did SH2 even have a big "twist"? It's been a really really long time since I've played it but I remember stuff like "They look like monsters to you?" happening fairly early on. I think a lot of the dread comes from figuring stuff out way before your player character does SH3 had the "they look like monsters to you", SH2's twist was that oh no it is you who is the person who killed Mary you selfish rear end in a top hat
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People complain about how long it takes to see the first monster in Silent Hill 2, but right when the game starts...
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'They look list monsters to you' isn't a twist though, that's just lovable Vincent having a goof with his friend
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Lifeglug posted:SH3 had the "they look like monsters to you", SH2's twist was that oh no it is you who is the person who killed Mary you selfish rear end in a top hat My favourite part about this is looking at the letter from James' wife after a certain point in the game and (are we spoiling this? Okay) seeing that it's blank
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