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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:man, that number is way too high to rattle off in a movie, imo Also, 199999 an "interesting" number. The whole point of initially labeling the core Marvel universe initially as "616" was to make it reasonably high, but mundane number, as I understand it, to emphasize that there are a large number of other Earths, and the one you've been following isn't considered more special by the setting's numbering system's originators than any other.
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I think it's dumb they used 616 instead of literally any other number because it means that whoever made the decision to put that in there means they know it's ~important~ and recognizable, but doesn't know why. Or doesn't care-- they just want people to nerd out because "I recognize a thing!" with no consideration to the meaning behind it.
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May 18, 2022 16:51
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I thought Alan Moore chose it because it’s the number of the beast. 666 being a mistranslation.
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May 18, 2022 17:05
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I always thought 616 was a NYC area code but it turns out that one is in Michigan.
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May 18, 2022 17:24
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CopywrightMMXI posted:I always thought 616 was a NYC area code but it turns out that one is in Michigan. 212. Fun fact: when area codes were assigned, the most important places were assigned ones with the lowest number since they take the least amount of time to dial on a rotary phone.
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May 18, 2022 17:34
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CopywrightMMXI posted:I always thought 616 was a NYC area code but it turns out that one is in Michigan. When I got back into comics in college I lived in Kalamazoo, which was in the 616 area code. I always thought that coincidence was cool.
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May 18, 2022 17:37
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I could swear I'd read somewhere that the 616 number was based on Fantastic Four #1 shipping in June of '61 and the universe designations afterwards were also based on the two digits of the year followed by the number of the month of the universe's first published appearance, but FF#1 actually shipped in August with a November cover date so that's not the case at all.
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May 18, 2022 17:50
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Into the Spider-Verse used 616 and 1610 too even though those have comic designations. It's not a big deal at all. The only people that will ever give a poo poo about it are the people that know the difference already and they won't be confused.
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May 18, 2022 18:10
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It's not a big deal, it just dilutes something that was cool and unique by specifically not understanding or not caring why it was significant in the first place. It's about making it confusing for anyone. Like-- imagine they used a different number, whatever they chose, now instead that grows the IP (or lore, or whatever term you like the best) and can be something new to be called back on. With that there's something unique that everyone of all levels of knowledge can appreciate. Instead it's just "thing that exists."
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May 18, 2022 18:55
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Seriously, didn’t Alan Moore come up with that designation for a Captain Britain story, and wasn’t it chosen as a dig at Marvel, 616 being one alternative translation of 666 in Revelation?
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May 18, 2022 19:27
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yeah, it's originally from Captain Britain. per wikipedia, Moore says a previous Captain Britain writer came up with it and Moore's son in law is the one who says it's the number of the beast.
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May 18, 2022 19:44
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I thought the point of the 616 designation was mostly just mocking DC for making the universe most of their books take place in "Earth-1"
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May 18, 2022 19:48
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I remember hearing somewhere that the higher the number the more crazy poo poo happens on that world/more unstable that world is. I don't know if that is cannon or not though.
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May 18, 2022 19:49
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Madkal posted:I remember hearing somewhere that the higher the number the more crazy poo poo happens on that world/more unstable that world is. I don't know if that is cannon or not though. That's dumb whether you're talking about Marvel or DC
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May 18, 2022 19:50
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Also I'm not sure Alan Moore giving the Marvel universe the number of the Beast is necessarily a negative, at least as intended
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May 18, 2022 20:03
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Madkal posted:I remember hearing somewhere that the higher the number the more crazy poo poo happens on that world/more unstable that world is. I don't know if that is cannon or not though. That was a plot in X-Man. The higher up the spiral the more "evolved" the reality was. Lower in the spiral were considered barbaric realities.
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May 18, 2022 20:15
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Alan Moore's son in law on "616"quote:616 is a number of no significance what so ever. Sorry. Alan Davis on 616: quote:616 is an alternate, and some say older, 'sign of the beast', 666. It has some basis in Greek numerology (ZAZ?) but I don't recall the details. Although credited to Alan Moore, like much of the other Captain Britain folklore it was in place before he joined the book. (In actual fact the only significant addition Alan and I co-created was the Fury.) Jim Jaspers, the Crazy Gang, Saturnyne, the Omniversal organisation (Avante Guarde) Captain UK, etc were all conceived by Paul Neary or Dave Thorpe. [...] Dave Thorpe, who wasn't a fan of the modern superhero genre, was responsible for most of the more madcap or satirical elements--such as recording his opinion of the Marvel Universe with the designation 616. David Thorpe on 616: quote:Well, for years, I'd [gotten] emails from fans who say, "Why did you come up with 616?" And to be honest, I gave them each a different story. But, obviously, it's got something to do with 666, the number of the beast: 666 minus 50. Also for what it's worth Fantastic Four #1 has a cover date of November 1961, and Marvel itself claims it hit the stands on August 8 1961. Though given the interview linked above it's entirely possible Thorpe claimed that for funsies at some point.
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Madkal posted:I remember hearing somewhere that the higher the number the more crazy poo poo happens on that world/more unstable that world is. I don't know if that is cannon or not though. From a purely practical standpoint it makes some sense; If you are writing an alternate world you might want to revisit/become important you're gonna want to give it a short snappy number, whereas if its just goofy poo poo for a one off joke you'll call it earth-9876932B because thats unlikely to have been used.
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May 18, 2022 21:21
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In Spider-Verse #1 (2019) we just named each new universe after the person who drew it (Earth-10113519 was Earth- J A M E S for James Harren, etc).
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:In Spider-Verse #1 (2019) we just named each new universe after the person who drew it (Earth-10113519 was Earth- J A M E S for James Harren, etc). Wow, that lack of creativity and they keep you on? Imagine not giving every universe number and extremely deep and important meaning that has readers searching through religious texts to find the meaning of!
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May 19, 2022 02:06
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Why just numbers? Why not letters? I'd be totally cool with an Earth-JAMES.
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:In Spider-Verse #1 (2019) we just named each new universe after the person who drew it (Earth-10113519 was Earth- J A M E S for James Harren, etc). That's actually awesome and I wonder how many previously made up numbers have similar origins
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May 19, 2022 04:28
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A note on cover dates for magazines that I think probably applies to older comics. The cover date isn't when something comes out, it's when retailers can take them off the shelves and apply for a refund.
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May 19, 2022 04:35
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Skwirl posted:A note on cover dates for magazines that I think probably applies to older comics. The cover date isn't when something comes out, it's when retailers can take them off the shelves and apply for a refund. But again, neither the cover date nor the consensus release date for Fantastic Four #1 are in June.
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SoR Blaze posted:I'm looking for a comic that my grandparents got me in the late 90s. All I can remember is that it took place in space, and the main character (maybe the only character?) was slowly being consumed and covered by these purple warts/scales that were definitely some kind of disease/virus. Any ideas? Just wanted to check in on this, does anyone have any ideas?
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Skwirl posted:I thought the point of the 616 designation was mostly just mocking DC for making the universe most of their books take place in "Earth-1" That's exactly it. It's an arbitrary number because the numbers aren't important to the story. That's the joke. This being comics, pretty much nobody got it.
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Karma Tornado posted:I could swear I'd read somewhere that the 616 number was based on Fantastic Four #1 shipping in June of '61 and the universe designations afterwards were also based on the two digits of the year followed by the number of the month of the universe's first published appearance, but FF#1 actually shipped in August with a November cover date so that's not the case at all. For a while I thought that was the reason as well. Bit gutted when I found out FF#1 was released in August because it seemed to fit.
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May 19, 2022 20:00
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it feels like a Tom Brevoort on Tumblr kinda answer, or like something from the introduction to a volume of Exiles.
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Coming of the Buff She-Hulk argument in the TV thread is there a comic series where the protagonist is basically Superman but with a dad bod?
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bessantj posted:Coming of the Buff She-Hulk argument in the TV thread is there a comic series where the protagonist is basically Superman but with a dad bod? Dunno about comics but Hancock was pretty hosed up
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Edit: Nope, as is often the case, I was wrong.
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Beerdeer posted:Dunno about comics but Hancock was pretty hosed up Hancock was alright, I wonder if they did a comic series to tie in with the film.
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bessantj posted:Coming of the Buff She-Hulk argument in the TV thread is there a comic series where the protagonist is basically Superman but with a dad bod? Maybe not quite dad bod, but the Captain from Nextwave isn't buff and has the base set of Superman's powers
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bessantj posted:Coming of the Buff She-Hulk argument in the TV thread is there a comic series where the protagonist is basically Superman but with a dad bod? Wayne Boring and Curt Swan used to draw Superman as pretty thicc back in the Silver Age, but he still had visible muscles, which probably disqualifies him from consideration.
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The guy who plays Superman in the CW Superman and Lois doesn’t have a dad bod per se but he’s extremely dad
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Alex Ross Superman probably counts
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Michael Moran would probably qualify. Planet X Wolverine. Last Ride Spidey (what was the one with the cool jacket?) Spiderverse Peter B. Parker FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 04:31 on May 21, 2022 |
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When did Marvel start referring to their fan base as Marvel Zombies?
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Hey folks, I have a Thunderbolts question. Thanks to Hoopla, I've finally read the original Thunderbolts #1-50, written by Kurt Busiek and Fabian Nicieza. It had moments of being kind of generic and even corny, but I liked all the interweaving plots and loved the core characters' overall redemption arc, culminating in team leader Hawkeye going to prison in exchange for the remaining Thunderbolts earning presidential pardons at last. A long time ago, I read Nicieza's New Thunderbolts run, and I even owned the three TPBs for a while. I don't remember that era being anything special. Then I recently read the Civil War material where Songbird was hooking up with Zemo for some reason, I already owned Warren Ellis' two darkly comic and brutally violent Thunderbolts TPBs that bridged Civil War and Secret Invasion, and I also read all the Dark Reign/Siege/Heroic Age a long time ago (written by Christos Gage, Andy Diggle, and Jeff Parker), up to the point where it was retitled Dark Avengers. I didn't care for the Thunderbolts lineup with Punisher, Elektra, Deadpool, and Red Hulk, and I don't think I ever finished that. It didn't have anything to do with anything that came before, and seemed like too much of a team of edgelord antiheroes. And then I read the short Jim Zub run with pretty bad art from Comicsgate-supporting artist Jon Malin and the recent King in Black: Thunderbolts miniseries that was more like DC's Suicide Squad than any other 'Bolts material ever, complete with shock value jobber deaths. So what I think I'm missing is the chunk between #50 of the original series and the New Thunderbolts rebranding. It looks like that has never been collected, and I know there is an infamous run in there that jettisoned all the ongoing characters and story arcs, about an underground supervillain fight club. Is that as bad as I've heard? Is anything worthwhile in between there? Any other Thunderbolts fans? I keep hoping they make their way to the MCU, especially since there are so many characters that would fit into the team aesthetic of villains seeking redemption: Zemo, Abomination, Vulture, Ghost, and who knows who will show up in She-Hulk. It would be neat to see Clint, Yelena, and Luke Cage show up too. Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 00:18 on May 22, 2022 |
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The Thunderbolt era one gets really good when Soule takes over, you should just skip ahead to that, it's definitely worth reading
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