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Kanos posted:This makes complete sense, thank you. What gets me, though, is until the final shot of the place frozen, what he's doing is pictured as "fire that is cold", rather than "I can do colder ice", which is where it's confusing. I had to reread 351 and 352 a few times, but I think the move he's using on page 4-5 is actually a continuation of Flashfire Fist: Phosphor from the ending of 351. Judging from what Dabi says on page 6, it looks like he might've followed up on the direct thrust-strike of Phosphor (which seems to be simultaneously combining a fire and ice blast to make explosions) with Coldflame's Pale Blade to cool him down. CPB looks almost like a blast of snow/cold rather than cold fire, when you compare the art on 4-5 to Dabi's fire on pg6 and pg8-9. Hard to really tell. Shoto's internal thermoregulation then fizzles right as Dabi's winding up to blast him again (with Hell Spider, I think, but emanating from the ground instead of from his body), but Endeavor's sidekicks pop up again to soak/redirect the heat and buy him enough time to reactivate Icebound Crash and unleash Great Glacial Aegir which finally overwhelms Dabi's fire and freezes him. This is probably something that the anime will make a lot clearer what's going on.
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I think it would have been much clearer without the "cold fire" effect, which just confuses things (and is frankly just silly). But what I still don't get at all is what's going on with Burnin' and Endeavor's other sidekicks. Did they just facetank a blast from Dabi so it didn't hit Shoto?
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Staltran posted:I think it would have been much clearer without the "cold fire" effect, which just confuses things (and is frankly just silly). But what I still don't get at all is what's going on with Burnin' and Endeavor's other sidekicks. Did they just facetank a blast from Dabi so it didn't hit Shoto? The sidekicks have been using their quirks to block the fire and cover Shoto the whole fight and they finally got overwhelmed.
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Something thats cool about this fight is that Dabi is the one who's just copying Endeavor's moves because he's stuck in the mindset of proving he isn't the Failure. Meanwhile, Shoto refused to play the game of 'who's the worthier Endeavor successor' and created his own moves based on his own unique strengths, which are basically the complete opposite of how Endeavor wanted him to use his quirk.
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Kanos posted:This makes complete sense, thank you. What gets me, though, is until the final shot of the place frozen, what he's doing is pictured as "fire that is cold", rather than "I can do colder ice", which is where it's confusing. He's attempting to use the same basic idea behind the Flashfire Fist. It's weirdly explained but he's intentionally using the same technique as that so he's thinking of it as "what if I use this technique with my cold powers" instead of "What if I make things cold." It's very much a "what is flying but falling with style" thing.
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Even with the explanation I still don't see it, so until the anime makes it more obvious I'll just say he's a waterbender and leave it at that. Cause that's what happens when you combine ice and fire? That's what Endeavor was going for, right???
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Crosspeice posted:Even with the explanation I still don't see it, so until the anime makes it more obvious I'll just say he's a waterbender and leave it at that. Cause that's what happens when you combine ice and fire? That's what Endeavor was going for, right??? Not quite. Endeavor's moves have a specific weakness in that they raise his body heat way too high. He has a lot of moves he can only use as 'finishers' because they basically risk him destroying himself. His idea of the Perfected Flashfire Fist (for lack of a better term) would one that can go beyond what he can do because the person's ice quirk can keep them cooled down long beyond what Endeavor could do. Even with his natural immunity to fire he has limits and he can go beyond (lol) his own limits. Dabi can do higher power flames that Endeavor but has a lower tolerance because he inherited his mother's resistance to cold instead. So he can do the Flashfire Fist as well but in doing so he'll destroy his body far worse than Endeavor will. Dabi is so dangerous because he'll gladly self-immolate if it means he gets his goal. Shoto in theory can do what Endeavor wants and make the prefect Flashfire Fist, one that is stronger than Dabi or Endeavor could ever do and do it without risking himself anywhere as much. His only real limit is how much his ice quirk can cool him. His new move is the reverse. He's pushing his COLD powers to the absolute limit, well beyond what they should be able to do with his natural resistance to ice. However now he's using his fire powers to keep himself warm enough that he can go past his limits in the same way as a 'perfect' Flashfire Fist would work but with ice powers instead. The 'cold fire' is that he's keeping himself warm with fire while going cold beyond cold. He could fight Dabi with fire but Dabi's already burning himself out and Shoto doesn't want to kill him. So instead of using more fire, he uses ice which should cool Dabi the gently caress down, and because Shoto can use his fire to keep himself healthy while pushing his quirk past its limits, he can get way loving colder than Dabi can get hot. He isn't melting the ice. He's reaching a level of cold so cold that he'd probably freeze himself solid if he did it, and his fire quirk isn't melting the ice, it's just barely keeping his body warm enough that he can go that cold without dying. He's also rejecting his father's desire for hotter fire so he could be more effective at defeating people and instead using his technique in a desperate attempt to avoid killing his brother. (and thus symbolically subsuming his father's fire with his mother's ice.) ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:32 on May 16, 2022 |
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May 16, 2022 01:29
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I think it’s pretty neat. Coolest thing Shoto has ever done
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Shoto has always been the coolest character in the series 
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The Todorokis are the best part of the manga at this point, tbh.
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I have no strong opinions about this chapter. It was a chapter that involved Dabi being dunked on.hatty posted:Coolest thing Shoto has ever done 
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ImpAtom posted:Dabi can do higher power flames that Endeavor but has a lower tolerance because he inherited his mother's resistance to cold instead. ImpAtom posted:So instead of using more fire, he uses ice which should cool Dabi the gently caress down, and because Shoto can use his fire to keep himself healthy while pushing his quirk past its limits, he can get way loving colder than Dabi can get hot.  This could be a complication...
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Agreed with what ImpAtom said. I like how, thematically, this is Shoto once again forging his own path while simultaneously flipping the bird at Endeavor's plan of having Shoto perfect the Flashfire Fist. There's a positive message there that just because you had a traumatic past doesn't mean you can't find something good from it and be able to reclaim it for yourself.
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As long as you're a genetically perfect ubermensch who has the physical ability to do so without destroying yourself. 
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The Bee posted:The Todorokis are the best part of the manga at this point, tbh. I really like the panel where Dabi is on all fours and his body is falling apart.
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Lt. Lizard posted:
I mean I assume it is the point. He will have trouble flaming on but won't die as easily.
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Supersonic Shine posted:I really like the panel where Dabi is on all fours and his body is falling apart. It reminds me of some shots of Ohma the God-Warrior from the Nausicaa manga, and I wonder if that was intentional.
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So there's a new MHA gacha game and it's being released in English as My Hero Ultra Impact....why do they keep calling it My Hero....
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https://onepiecechapters.com/chapters/2282/my-hero-academia-chapter-353
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oh....huh. kinda thought the pacing of that would be different. and definitely wasn't expecting two entirely new villains out of nowhere, lmao. Makes me think that we haven't seen the last of Dabi, given the glowing light in his chest, and if that's not the case then frankly I really do not get what this manga is going for at this point. e: or rather, I guess I do get what it's going for, but that seems like a lot of narrative momentum to burn off (ha) so soon. Dabi is easily the most interesting villain left and shuffling him offstage in exchange for random filler chumps for Kirishima and Mina and Yuga and Fatgum(??) to fight is deflating. Valentin fucked around with this message at 07:49 on May 20, 2022 |
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Well, that sure was a chapter.
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Will Mina finally get to do something or is she going to get saved by Kirishima again? Also, the gently caress did All For One do to Spinner? He's a giant now.
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I know Dabi is a literal bad guy but by this point in the story he's ready to self-immolate in the process of killing like 2 very specific people. Was he really so important to the plan that everyone had to immediately/urgently know about him being defeated?
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Shere posted:I know Dabi is a literal bad guy but by this point in the story he's ready to self-immolate in the process of killing like 2 very specific people. Was he really so important to the plan that everyone had to immediately/urgently know about him being defeated? It's funny to imagine them sending people around to loudspeaker the battlefield every time any villain at all is defeated.
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Shere posted:I know Dabi is a literal bad guy but by this point in the story he's ready to self-immolate in the process of killing like 2 very specific people. Was he really so important to the plan that everyone had to immediately/urgently know about him being defeated? He's probably the most well known villain behind Shigaraki and All For One because of his broadcast across the country during the war arc and his family.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Given the glowing light in his chest somehow I don't think the guy named after cremation flames is done burning. Some people seem to think he's going to somehow regenerate because his quirk was really Phoenix or something. I have no clue where they are getting this from other than pure fanboyism of the character.
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Nephthys posted:Some people seem to think he's going to somehow regenerate because his quirk was really Phoenix or something. I have no clue where they are getting this from other than pure fanboyism of the character. He's either going to suicide bomb to try to take out Shoto (and everyone else in the vicinity), or it'll turn out that his compulsion to self-burn despite everyone telling him not to is actually part of his Quirk (kinda like Toga's compulsion to drink blood) and Dabi's reborn as a baby. edit: Japanese-knowers, is the sound effect on Dabi's chest "Ki-i-i...", meant to be ticking onomatopoeia? SKULL.GIF fucked around with this message at 15:54 on May 20, 2022 |
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Rhonne posted:Will Mina finally get to do something or is she going to get saved by Kirishima again? The focus on her reaction when Kirishima drops in from... wherever he was makes me think that he's absolutely going to take a hit protecting her or something. e: Do not confuse this with me thinking that she'll get to do something, because even if what I predicted happens I think the chances of that are fairly low Arist fucked around with this message at 15:50 on May 20, 2022 |
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SgtSteel91 posted:I thought a tear drop was falling from Dabi's eye By his own admission he shouldn't have tear ducts
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Reaction shots: the chapter
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Nephthys posted:Some people seem to think he's going to somehow regenerate because his quirk was really Phoenix or something. I have no clue where they are getting this from other than pure fanboyism of the character. I mean fanboyism has redirected the story before several times
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Nonexistence posted:I mean fanboyism has redirected the story before several times Sure, but unless Endeavor x Hawks is a hell of lot more real than anyone guessed this just doesn't make sense for his quirk.
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Nephthys posted:Sure, but unless Endeavor x Hawks is a hell of lot more real than anyone guessed this just doesn't make sense for his quirk. I mean why not? Fire guy doing fire guy things like resurrecting like a Phoenix makes sense to me. It's a variation on the theme which is exactly what the desired effect was. Whether it's DUMB or not is a different matter entirely, but I think it makes sense.
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I think the bigger issue with that theory is explaining why the regeneration didn't activate when he burt himself to a crisp on that hill. And of course that it seems to be based on absolutely nothing.
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Staltran posted:I think the bigger issue with that theory is explaining why the regeneration didn't activate when he burt himself to a crisp on that hill. And of course that it seems to be based on absolutely nothing.
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Staltran posted:I think the bigger issue with that theory is explaining why the regeneration didn't activate when he burt himself to a crisp on that hill. And of course that it seems to be based on absolutely nothing. Quirks have been shown to evolve over time, including his. Plus, almost killing yourself with your fire isn't the same as actually doing so, so maybe it only happens when he properly dies. Like all other phoenixes. People want their favorite characters to stick around, so of course they're gonna grasp at straws.
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Quirks are supposed to be logically consistent, you don't get new powers because they're thematically linked to your existing ones. Toga can't fly and shoot eye lasers just because she drinks blood like a vampire. Spinner can't breathe fire because a dragon is a kind of lizard. Dabi inherited his flame quirk from his dad and his body is suited to cold like his mum. Neither has anything to do with regeneration or resurrection or a mythical fire bird in any way. If he does do something like that it would need to be an entirely new quirk that he just pulls out of his grilled rear end for no reason.
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