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I was going to bring up Emperor Pilaf and his henchmen as "Characters who fell off the face of the planet" in Dragon Ball (Going from being main antagonists through a series to not even getting a mention in the followup series has to be some sort of record), but a quick glance online... they come back in Super? drat, I actually have a reason to watch it now.
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didnt they come back as kids (dragon ball wish magic) though? also for some reason they decided to do shipping with the kid Trunks and Mai even though she's technicially a women in a childs body. though maybe her mind got revert to a kid too because lol wish magics. (also get a wish lawyer to do your wishes, even if the DB dragons dont seem as hostile as genies or other wish granting entities.)
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May 22, 2022 19:39
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I still want to know how Shenron's decision process when Goku wished "bring everyone except the bad people back to life".
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May 22, 2022 19:44
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PhazonLink posted:didnt they come back as kids (dragon ball wish magic) though? They make Roshi an aggressive rapist who needs to work out all his pent up sexual energy before the big fight, so a 60 year old woman and 10 year old boy romance barely registers.
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May 22, 2022 19:53
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The bit in Naruto shippuden where Gaara is brought back to life and it pays off the mirrored shot of Naruto's backstory of his horizon getting more and more full of compatriots while Gaara's horizon stays alone[ by having child!Naruto break away from his friends and run to Gaara who then wakes up surrounded by all the people of his village but their for real to make sure he's OK had me crying pretty hard tbh. When the story hits, it hits pretty hard.
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May 22, 2022 20:38
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I still want to know how Shenron's decision process when Goku wished "bring everyone except the bad people back to life". Goku is canonically simple enough that it's like 99% likely he just has good people/bad people categories and it was one of the easier mass-planetary-resurrection wishes to sort out 
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May 22, 2022 21:10
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I still want to know how Shenron's decision process when Goku wished "bring everyone except the bad people back to life". "Goku's not gonna check, I'll just bring everyone back except those fuckers I don't like"
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May 22, 2022 21:13
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DACK FAYDEN posted:presumably Shenron just read Goku's mind Goku also believes (surprisingly rightly, more often than not) that everyone deserves redemption barring a very specific list of people, so his definition of "bad guys" could just be "people that have no way of redemption".
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May 22, 2022 21:34
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Shenron is free to interpret wishes however he wants, like all genies. When Frieza was wished back to life, Shenron brought him back as he was the exact moment before he got killed by Trunks: as a pile of Frieza chunks.
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May 22, 2022 21:34
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Beerus needs to stop bullying Shenron. He's basically just a bad retail customer whenever they interact. It's like "Beerus, I know you are a bigger deal god, but do YOU grant wishes? No. That's entirely Shenron's thing, so when he's summoned by the dragonballs, let him wear the big boi pants. In those interactions, you are the CUSTOMER!" If Beerus was visiting Shenron at home then fair, but he never is, he's always being a dick while at Shenron's job. It would have been like if Zeno showed up while Beerus is trying to determine if a planet is worth keeping around and overturning his decision. Certainly you are more powerful, but don't do it while he's at work. That's just a dick move.
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The deal with Yamcha is that he was never a real rival of any kind. He was a decent fighter who only ever stood a chance against a mostly starved Goku- after Goku got something to eat, it wasn't even close. And that was always his lot ever since. He LOOKS like he should be a serious contender, but he never, ever was. Krillin on the flip side, he was always 'just a bit weaker' than Goku. He's the real jobber because he's the real fighter. The first tournament lays this out pretty well. Yamcha fights Jackie Chun and, well, doesn't even fight him. Jackie Chun blows him out of the ring without trying. Krillin, on the flip side, actually gets a decent showing for himself, letting Jackie Chun really show off in turn, being a proper Jobber and setting up Goku's fight with him. He pulls the same role in the third tournament against Piccolo, earning Piccolo's respect in turn. Tien is different. He was introduced to be Goku's rival and equal. So he defeats Jackie Chun, while Goku definitively beats Krillin, in the second tournament to set them up properly. By the third tournament, he becomes the new Jackie Chun, someone Goku defeats to show how far he's come and set up his fight with his new rival Piccolo properly. But Tien ever since has lived in this twilight zone. Yamcha is the weak one, Krillin is the under dog, and Tien is somewhere between that and Former Rival slot that Piccolo took over when Vegeta claimed rival status. So characters will joke/comment on Krillin not being strong enough or not being ready or whatever, but Tien is treated...pretty much the same as Piccolo by the narrative and by other characters, despite not being near as powerful. What it basically means is that Tien does not get moments to shine because no one doubts him, but he also doesn't get treated like a joke like Yamcha. So he mostly just scrapes by, existing. It is an unenviable position to be in.
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Burkion posted:The deal with Yamcha is that he was never a real rival of any kind. He was a decent fighter who only ever stood a chance against a mostly starved Goku- after Goku got something to eat, it wasn't even close. On the other hand for Tien, he has his "gently caress POWER LEVELS!" moment against Cell, that is just satisfying enough to make up for all of that. Just endless Kihohos.
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May 22, 2022 22:03
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BioEnchanted posted:The bit in Naruto shippuden where Gaara is brought back to life and it pays off the mirrored shot of Naruto's backstory of his horizon getting more and more full of compatriots while Gaara's horizon stays alone[ by having child!Naruto break away from his friends and run to Gaara who then wakes up surrounded by all the people of his village but their for real to make sure he's OK had me crying pretty hard tbh. When the story hits, it hits pretty hard. Absolutely my favorite arc in Shippuden. My room got real dusty during it.
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May 22, 2022 23:57
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BioEnchanted posted:On the other hand for Tien, he has his "gently caress POWER LEVELS!" moment against Cell, that is just satisfying enough to make up for all of that. Just endless Kihohos. isnt the literal " "gently caress POWER LEVELS!" (and gently caress SSJs)" line from DBZA? dont really remember the actual canon. Also apparently Yamcha death pose is a meme, but so is Peter Griffin's "death" pose is also a meme.
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Absolutely my favorite arc in Shippuden. My room got real dusty during it. You should probably clean more.
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PhazonLink posted:isnt the literal " "gently caress POWER LEVELS!" (and gently caress SSJs)" line from DBZA? dont really remember the actual canon. The exact line is, but it was still a scene of Tien hitting extremely above his weight class and saving everyone else's life in the process by holding Cell off until Goku showed up.
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May 23, 2022 01:40
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Burkion posted:The deal with Yamcha is that he was never a real rival of any kind. He was a decent fighter who only ever stood a chance against a mostly starved Goku- after Goku got something to eat, it wasn't even close. Uh, point of order: 
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May 23, 2022 01:52
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I just want to say that dragon Ball z abridged has some of the best story lines from the show but getting rid of all of the garbage power up sequences. Not to mention they actually flesh out so many characters, and do give yamcha a reason to be around.
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May 23, 2022 02:16
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Cowslips Warren posted:I just want to say that dragon Ball z abridged has some of the best story lines from the show but getting rid of all of the garbage power up sequences. I actually did like the little epilogue episode they did for Yamcha where he becomes a literal billionaire because the baseball team he plays for fires him for being too good (nobody was bothering to watch anymore because he always wins and it got more boring than usual), but having to pay him a shitload of money so that he wouldn't go play for another team. I mean, canonically speaking, even Yamcha is powerful enough to destroy the planet. Vegeta was blowing planets up in filler episodes during the Saiyan saga, and everyone's power level is way beyond that by now.
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May 23, 2022 02:30
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The xenoverse 2 game has a mission where you fought a turbo beefed up Yamcha and it was pretty fun
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The Moon Monster posted:Uh, point of order: Tien is descended from a race of three eyed aliens, so technically Yamcha is the strongest human
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grittyreboot posted:Tien is descended from a race of three eyed aliens, so technically Yamcha is the strongest human 
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PhazonLink posted:isnt the literal " "gently caress POWER LEVELS!" (and gently caress SSJs)" line from DBZA? dont really remember the actual canon. The Family Guy Death Pose, yes. BioEnchanted posted:Beerus needs to stop bullying Shenron. He's basically just a bad retail customer whenever they interact. It's like "Beerus, I know you are a bigger deal god, but do YOU grant wishes? No. That's entirely Shenron's thing, so when he's summoned by the dragonballs, let him wear the big boi pants. In those interactions, you are the CUSTOMER!" If Beerus was visiting Shenron at home then fair, but he never is, he's always being a dick while at Shenron's job. It would have been like if Zeno showed up while Beerus is trying to determine if a planet is worth keeping around and overturning his decision. Certainly you are more powerful, but don't do it while he's at work. That's just a dick move. To be fair kinda the point is that Beerus is a massive dick.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Goku is the only shonen main character who can withdraw from his 401k without a penalty. I dunno, does Joseph Joestar count? He was only the protagonist when he was eighteen, but he kept appearing until he was nearly eighty.
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May 23, 2022 05:15
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BioEnchanted posted:The bit in Naruto shippuden where Gaara is brought back to life and it pays off the mirrored shot of Naruto's backstory of his horizon getting more and more full of compatriots while Gaara's horizon stays alone[ by having child!Naruto break away from his friends and run to Gaara who then wakes up surrounded by all the people of his village but their for real to make sure he's OK had me crying pretty hard tbh. When the story hits, it hits pretty hard. Yeah for all the times it misses it lands some real nice emotional beats even to the end
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May 23, 2022 05:28
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Is this chat as utterly incomprehensible to anyone else? Nothing against those that like it of course, each to their own.
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May 23, 2022 12:01
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Hercule knows "the basics" of martial arts according to Goku's inner monologue but his unwillingness to accept ki as a real thing means that he has to settle for only being the most famous dude in the world and having cool friends and saving the world by making other people believe in his cool friends.
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May 23, 2022 12:34
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Roblo posted:Is this chat as utterly incomprehensible to anyone else? Yeah, but it's not like there aren't things I can go off about in extreme detail that other people wouldn't. All good.
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May 23, 2022 12:42
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Roblo posted:Is this chat as utterly incomprehensible to anyone else?
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May 23, 2022 12:46
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Roblo posted:Is this chat as utterly incomprehensible to anyone else? I once spent a very animated evening in a bar with a good friend who I hadn't seen for a while, talking about nothing but Star Trek minutiae for about five hours. Her poor boyfriend sat bravely beside us for two of those hours, smiled politely and eventually excused himself. I think this thread may be my penance.
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May 23, 2022 13:27
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Dave Syndrome posted:I once spent a very animated evening in a bar with a good friend who I hadn't seen for a while, talking about nothing but Star Trek minutiae for about five hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjnNm8TL6fw&t=65s
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May 23, 2022 13:32
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Hercule knows "the basics" of martial arts according to Goku's inner monologue but his unwillingness to accept ki as a real thing means that he has to settle for only being the most famous dude in the world and having cool friends and saving the world by making other people believe in his cool friends. Goku did seriously consider him for the Tournament of Power! Also the bit where he plays with Pan along with The Great Saiyaman is great.
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May 23, 2022 13:34
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Hercule was instrumental in defeating Buu once and for all so he’s pretty much the best in my book.
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May 23, 2022 14:27
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Roblo posted:Is this chat as utterly incomprehensible to anyone else? This happens most often with star trek. I'm happy I at least know a few of the main characters from dragonball z so at least I can sort of follow along.
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May 23, 2022 14:32
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Roblo posted:Is this chat as utterly incomprehensible to anyone else? Naruto Dragonball Goku Naruto Naruto Naruto beans and spam.
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May 23, 2022 14:34
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My memory of Dragon Ball Z consists entirely of one character screaming as energy expands into a sphere around them as another character grunts repeatedly in disbelief. Also the comic where Goku legalizes weed.
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I tried to watch DBZ Kai recently and got like 3/4 of the way through the Frieza saga before I couldn’t take another scene of someone getting pelted with an insanely powerful chi attack, followed by the attacker smirking before going “BWUH?! Nobody could have survived that! How???!?!!”
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May 23, 2022 14:40
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Dragon Ball is definitely one of those things that hits different when you're immersed in nostalgia. Especially given the context; cartoons at that point are still shackled to Saturday Morning adherence to status quo, and suddenly you have a show where things matter, things change from episode to episode, you get continuity.
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May 23, 2022 14:51
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Goons have a weird chip on their shoulder about anime
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I AM GRANDO posted:My memory of Dragon Ball Z consists entirely of one character screaming as energy expands into a sphere around them as another character grunts repeatedly in disbelief. Tbf that's like 60% of the show.
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