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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Yes. All CVT's are complete garbage that should never have been put into cars Except for the system Toyota uses on it's hybrids like the Prius. That's a brilliant design.
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MetaJew posted:Is everyone forgetting that GM killed several boomers who didn't know about themanual door releases under the seats? Yeah but that's not getting the engagement that every single Tesla news item gets! You could have e-trons (or any car really) burning down left and right and there wouldn't be nearly as much news as a single Tesla having a crash they might or might not have caused themselves. It brings out the rabid Tesla haters and the rabid Tesla fanboys and that makes the metrics go up. And as long as the metrics go up you can justify your paycheck as an online "writer".
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May 23, 2022 06:12
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MetaJew posted:Is everyone forgetting that GM killed several boomers who didn't know about themanual door releases under the seats? Did GM fix the problem?
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May 23, 2022 06:57
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Shai-Hulud posted:Yeah but that's not getting the engagement that every single Tesla news item gets! You could have e-trons (or any car really) burning down left and right and there wouldn't be nearly as much news as a single Tesla having a crash they might or might not have caused themselves. I'm pretty sure it's a very miniscule amount of people who hate Teslas for being Teslas and the majority of the hate is Musk being an unrepentant piece of poo poo on every single level and then it trickles down to making GBS threads on the cars. Like literally, Musk is a waste of oxygen and he taints everything he touches. He's poo poo Midas.
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May 23, 2022 07:32
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PeterCat posted:Did GM fix the problem? In the C7, the manual door release is about where a trunk release would be on an older Japanese car, and is pretty obvious and has markings on it. I'm not sure if the C6 was harder to recognize.
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May 23, 2022 07:51
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heffray posted:In the C7, the manual door release is about where a trunk release would be on an older Japanese car, and is pretty obvious and has markings on it. I'm not sure if the C6 was harder to recognize. I've only ridden in one Corvette, I think, and it was a C6. As I recall, the manual door release was a yellow handle under each seat that I don't think you would know about if you didn't read a manual or ask the owner. My friend that owned said C6 told me that the electric switch-- I don't recall if it was the interior button, or the exterior one, had failed on him once or twice, requiring replacement. It's good that the C7 moved it or made it more obvious. Does the MachE Mustang have a physical door release from the inside, or is it also a button?
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May 23, 2022 08:10
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Large Testicles posted:I'm pretty sure it's a very miniscule amount of people who hate Teslas for being Teslas and the majority of the hate is Musk being an unrepentant piece of poo poo on every single level and then it trickles down to making GBS threads on the cars. Eh, theres a big crowd of EV haters in general and nothing symbolizes EVs better than Tesla. I mean, there are people running coal on Teslas and scratching them up in the parking lot and poo poo like that. You get people brake checking you and trying to unplug your charging cable at public charging stations. I doubt these people do it because of Elon Musk. I think its more cause they think EVs are turning the frogs gay or something like that.
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May 23, 2022 08:30
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Shai-Hulud posted:Eh, theres a big crowd of EV haters in general and nothing symbolizes EVs better than Tesla. I mean, there are people running coal on Teslas and scratching them up in the parking lot and poo poo like that. You get people brake checking you and trying to unplug your charging cable at public charging stations. I've had the urge to scratch a Tesla but nothing like that for an i3 or another EV
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May 23, 2022 10:11
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Shai-Hulud posted:Eh, theres a big crowd of EV haters in general and nothing symbolizes EVs better than Tesla. I mean, there are people running coal on Teslas and scratching them up in the parking lot and poo poo like that. You get people brake checking you and trying to unplug your charging cable at public charging stations. Don't forget one other hatred is the stereotype of a Tesla owner/fanboy.
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May 23, 2022 10:25
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So i think we can all agree that there are plenty of good reasons to hate Teslas! Also some bad ones so its important that everyone makes an informed decision before they decide to light a car on fire!
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May 23, 2022 10:50
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Shai-Hulud posted:Eh, theres a big crowd of EV haters in general and nothing symbolizes EVs better than Tesla. I mean, there are people running coal on Teslas and scratching them up in the parking lot and poo poo like that. You get people brake checking you and trying to unplug your charging cable at public charging stations. GOBBLESS AMERICA
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May 23, 2022 11:13
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Blue Footed Booby posted:CVTs are boring as poo poo, but these days they get better fuel efficiency than a manual. If you have the kind of daily driving that isn't going to be fun no matter what you're in, they make a lot of sense, if they're reliable ish. Thats not true. CVT's have real problems in that regard that are only mitigated by being able to get moonshot ratios that other gearbox don't usually come with. Put a moonshot on a manual, you'll get better economy. VideoGameVet posted:Except for the system Toyota uses on it's hybrids like the Prius. No. It's not brilliant in any way, it's just a sad kludge to paper over CVT's real problems
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madeintaipei posted:I dunno, the Dutch seemed to have made it work. By "work", I mean they figured out the rubber-band Daf will go just as slow in reverse as in drive. I only drove one once, but the feeling is radically different from a modern Mitsubishi CVT. Didn't have my license at the time so i didn't get a full impression, but i did get wheelspin at 70km/h on a dirt road which was interesting. I drove a Daf 66 Marathon with the 1300cc engine. The feeling is much more mechanical, and it is a bit more reluctant to shift up or down, making the rubber band effect considerably less. Steering was really vague though. No idea if it was supposed to be like that.  For what they are (affordable little family cars), DAFs are pretty nippy. The 2 cylinder air cooled ones were a lot faster than comparable cars like the Citroen 2cv/ami/dyane, the later ones probably on par with a 4 cylinder Volkswagen. My dad drove one, and he was often the fastest off the line back in the late 60s, when most cars were pretty slow so 'less slow' can make you the first off the line. The 4 cylinder ones were easily tuned to 75hp or so if you wanted something daily'able (and even more was definitely possible), and those were deceptively quick. Though you'd eat through belts pretty quickly. Which is not too big of a problem, because every wheel has its own CVT. So you'd end up with one driven wheel which is enough to limp to a place where you can throw on a new drive belt. Using 1 cvt per driven wheel was also nice because it worked as a differential without actually having a differential. Each wheel could have its own transmission ratio, and apparently that worked pretty well off road. LimaBiker fucked around with this message at 15:08 on May 23, 2022 |
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'widest electric portfolio' - my dude that's 8 of the same car plus a couple of vans. https://twitter.com/Herbert_Diess/status/1528665505573249026?s=20&t=eJYINNzqzNo4u-AFGgi-6A
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Large Testicles posted:I'm pretty sure it's a very miniscule amount of people who hate Teslas for being Teslas and the majority of the hate is Musk being an unrepentant piece of poo poo on every single level and then it trickles down to making GBS threads on the cars. I loving hate Musk, but I really like SpaceX and my Model 3 (which has not caught on fire, does not have panel gaps the size of Nebraska, and has not run off into the road like a stray dog).
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:I loving hate Musk, but I really like SpaceX and my Model 3 (which has not caught on fire, does not have panel gaps the size of Nebraska, and has not run off into the road like a stray dog). On the flip side, I also enjoy our Model 3 overall - but it HAS tried to run off the road like a stray dog, multiple times. It does do the i5 drive really well, but I've yet to have a good experience outside that.
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May 23, 2022 18:23
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Confirming that Musk being a flagrant rear end in a top hat makes it way more fun to poo poo on Tesla's shortcomings, whenever those make the news. I'm only human!
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MetaJew posted:I've only ridden in one Corvette, I think, and it was a C6. As I recall, the manual door release was a yellow handle under each seat that I don't think you would know about if you didn't read a manual or ask the owner. So what you're saying is that Florida YouTube chud with the race track was actually being smart when they took the doors (and entire body) off that C5?
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dissss posted:So what you're saying is that Florida YouTube chud with the race track was actually being smart when they took the doors (and entire body) off that C5? I do not watch chuds so I cannot comment. Edit: I honestly don't know who or what "1320" is. MetaJew fucked around with this message at 21:51 on May 23, 2022 |
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May 23, 2022 20:37
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How can you not watch a millionaire who pretends to be a red neck give away free turbos every day during the “month of freedom” if you buy their tat? The most amusing thing now is he is doing events all around the country and no one wanted to pay to show them so he has his own PPV service to watch idiots destroy cars.
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May 23, 2022 20:53
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1320 is a no go for me because of the association to that chud. I was on the fence because of street racing because they showcase some cool cars and do legit drag racing, but that sealed it for me.
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May 23, 2022 21:00
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Scratch Monkey posted:Got to love a car where all the glass shatters and sprays everywhere on impact and the doors pop open Don't need to worry about finding the door release then. Also that video is amazing.
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May 23, 2022 22:59
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Thats not true. CVT's have real problems in that regard that are only mitigated by being able to get moonshot ratios that other gearbox don't usually come with. Put a moonshot on a manual, you'll get better economy. So you're telling me that the CVTs they actually put in cars get better milage than the manuals actually put in cars? Hmmmmmmmm I'm not talking about some hypothetical transmission that doesn't exist. If you buy a base model Civic with a CVT you will literally use less fuel than the same Civic with the manual Honda actually offers, because the economics of making a manual transmission with "moonshot" gear ratios are why CVTs were introduced in the first place. Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 23:56 on May 23, 2022 |
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Some of them yeah. I doubt it's a universal thing though. Our appliance Legacy for example had higher MPG rating for the CVT versus 6 spd
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I was specifically thinking of Hondas where I sat down and compared numbers a while back because I was surprised by said numbers. Given that there are CVTs that do fake shifts to keep idiots from complaining to the dealership that their car is broken I'm sure there are some manufacturers who manage to defeat the purpose. And lord knows lots of them have technical problems. Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 00:04 on May 24, 2022 |
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CVTs should be way better because they (especially with electronic throttle bodies and all that jazz) can easily keep the engines in the most efficient zone in a way a normal manual driver would never do i.e. keeping it below 3.5k rpm under high load
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Yes, this is the theory. They should be better in every way. It's pretty obvious the actual engineering and practice has not been achieved.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:So you're telling me that the CVTs they actually put in cars get better milage than the manuals actually put in cars? Hmmmmmmmm The point is that you are not comparing apples to apples. CVT's have a whole lot of parasitic pumps and converters that cut into the true efficency as well as more weight - you end up with needing ECU tuning and ratio / transmission tuning to squeeze out the best "economy" in a defined test to look good. However those tuning tricks and transmission tuning dont really work that well outside a rolling road in the real world. quote:Given that there are CVTs that do fake shifts to keep idiots from complaining to the dealership that their car is broken I'm sure there are some manufacturers who manage to defeat the purpose. Doing fake shifting is one of the more intelligent things Subaru has done to make CVT's half livable.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Doing fake shifting is one of the more intelligent things Subaru has done to make CVT's half livable. Is it? And I'm not trying to fight here, but the last one I drove was like a 2020 whatever the suby hatch is now and going from light to normal accel to putting your foot down to accelerate at a greater rate (not talking about racing) made it feel like the car broke a couple u joints in a row. Sister in laws car, east coast beach town, not the only time I've driven it. It was poo poo. Sorry/not sorry. My daughters 08 Impreza 5 speed even with the 08 compromised suspension, is still way better and I will keep plowing money/time/parts into it.
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AlternateAccount posted:Nice meltdown. That's what happens when someone flashes the Ark of the Covenant at your car during a road rage incident. Blue Footed Booby posted:I was specifically thinking of Hondas where I sat down and compared numbers a while back because I was surprised by said numbers. Given that there are CVTs that do fake shifts to keep idiots from complaining to the dealership that their car is broken I'm sure there are some manufacturers who manage to defeat the purpose. I was genuinely surprised about some of the newer Accords having CVTs. What's the reliability track record on those?
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I've seen too many CVTs fail prematurely to want one, and from the sound of it highway driving sucks with them.
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CommieGIR posted:I've seen too many CVTs fail prematurely to want one, and from the sound of it highway driving sucks with them. Overtaking on the highway sucks with them. Your engine will start screaming at like 5k and wont let up. I drove a '17 Rogue from California to the east side of Wyoming last summer and yeah, the gas mileage was nice, but it sucked from a driving experience.
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CommieGIR posted:I've seen too many CVTs fail prematurely to want one, and from the sound of it highway driving sucks with them. My brother in law worked for a Volkswagen dealer, fixing/replacing CVTs was the only thing keeping the lights on.
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My 2011 Maxima with CVT has paddle shifters, don't ask me why. It's never had any problems through 165k miles though, and I find it enjoyable enough to drive.
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Go buy a lotto ticket. Nissan CVTs frequently don't even make it to 100k. I had a 2019 Maxima as a rental last year, and it was actually pretty fun to drive. Nobody expects that boring looking sedan to be able to hang with a WRX or run low 14s in the 1/4, I was really shocked at the power it had. But I could tell the transmission was already pretty unhappy, with 40k rental miles on it. No paddle shifters, but it did have a "manual" mode where you could slap the shifter one way or another to pick a "gear". Sport mode would try to make it feel like a traditional automatic. Easier to just leave it in drive. Really sucked to see out of though - blind spots for miles.
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BigPaddy posted:How can you not watch a millionaire who pretends to be a red neck give away free turbos every day during the “month of freedom” if you buy their tat? He has a character persona, admits it's a character persona, and is a shrewd as gently caress businessman. He also is smart enough to keep the majority of his personal political opinions hidden. That's like twenty steps up from the typical youtube chud. Disclaimer: I am not a fan, just impressed by what he's pulled off.
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Actions speak louder than words, so in that regard he has done an absolute poo poo job at hiding his political opinions.
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Passing on the highway is still a bit of a mindfuck. I am used to it finally but realizing the speedo is climbing while the tach is planted isn't what your brain expects.CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The point is that you are not comparing apples to apples. CVT's have a whole lot of parasitic pumps and converters that cut into the true efficency as well as more weight - you end up with needing ECU tuning and ratio / transmission tuning to squeeze out the best "economy" in a defined test to look good. However those tuning tricks and transmission tuning dont really work that well outside a rolling road in the real world. CVTs (with the big caveat that they're not made of glass which seems to be legitimate issue with several), for an appliance car that's for utility and not ~driving experience~ are fine for the real world. If people don't like how they drive/shift, then those people probably should steer away from one. I've personally had one for 10+ years now, it's perfectly serviceable and I have no complaints although it is a different sensation for sure.
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I always make sure to break out the Formula 440 and Formula 500 videos when people say CVTs can't be fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU01j_NHYgk I also always make sure to mention that CVTs were the direction F1 was headed in until it got banned. So it's not that they can't be fun, its just manufacturer's refuse to make them so.
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