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What an amazing show of wealth to be able to seize weapons you have no intent to use but instead just store them for years and years until you find a use for them. Also, a really pretty good bit of foresight to order them stored rather than the expedient thing of just dumping them in the sea. Which you know the OIC wanted to do rather than go through the hassle of moving them around the world, inventorying them and storing them.
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May 21, 2022 21:08
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Murgos posted:What an amazing show of wealth to be able to seize weapons you have no intent to use but instead just store them for years and years until you find a use for them. They were probably slated to go to some right wing fringe group in central america to help remove any budding leftist party elections to office.
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May 21, 2022 21:11
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Murgos posted:What an amazing show of wealth to be able to seize weapons you have no intent to use but instead just store them for years and years until you find a use for them. Warehouses are very cheap. Ethiopia famously (relatively) recently emptied a few warehouses full of weapons that date anywhere from WWII to the Zulu war. The most expensive part of supplying those weapons to Ukraine was the naval interdiction to prevent them from getting to the Houthis.
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May 21, 2022 21:14
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Murgos posted:What an amazing show of wealth to be able to seize weapons you have no intent to use but instead just store them for years and years until you find a use for them. Saving something and reusing it for a good purpose is like the definition of thrift hth
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psydude posted:Saving something and reusing it for a good purpose is like the definition of thrift hth Ukraine will be saved by Babushkanomics.
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May 21, 2022 22:11
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golden bubble posted:https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/1518276827382431746 Makes good sense to me. Thousands of brand new weapons, perfect to equip allies with. Obviously the sensible thing to do is count them and stick them in a warehouse somewhere. They're not even obsolete.
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Uncle Enzo posted:Makes good sense to me. Thousands of brand new weapons, perfect to equip allies with. Obviously the sensible thing to do is count them and stick them in a warehouse somewhere. They're not even obsolete. Ehh. They're perfectly functional, but I would not want to be issuing these to front line units in TYOL 2022. edit: To be clear, with a million person mobilization happening, these will be useful. Truck drivers, rear security, POW guards, etc. can all make good use of these. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 22:27 on May 21, 2022 |
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May 21, 2022 22:24
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A.o.D. posted:Ehh. They're perfectly functional, but I would not want to be issuing these to front line units in TYOL 2022. They can't mount optics, but they're easier to train freshly mobilized troops on, especially AK derivatives are probably common enough in Ukraine that most people of military age responding to a mobilization callup should have at least spent a little time at the range plinking rounds at targets in preparation for whatever was going to happen. (according to a lot of the Ukrainian shooting ranges this is what happened, memberships at gun clubs surged hundreds of percent in the several month run up to the kick off, due to escalating tensions between Ukraine and Russia.) An AR derivative mounting fancy optics might not be something that most mobilized troops will have experience with and will need to spend some time more time with the weapons than with an AK. In a few months if the conflict has not had a decisive collapse on the part of Russia or Ukraine, the Ukrainian military will be using fully Western equipment, because they will have entirely exhausted Soviet era weapon stocks that are available to NATO members. orange juche fucked around with this message at 23:29 on May 21, 2022 |
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orange juche posted:They can't mount optics, but they're easier to train freshly mobilized troops on, especially AK derivatives are probably common enough in Ukraine that most people of military age responding to a mobilization callup should have at least spent a little time at the range plinking rounds at targets in preparation for whatever was going to happen. (according to a lot of the Ukrainian shooting ranges this is what happened, memberships at gun clubs surged hundreds of percent in the several month run up to the kick off, due to escalating tensions between Ukraine and Russia.) I'm sure that it's not hard to get 7.62x39 in Ukraine, but it's important to remember that the standard round there is 5.45x39. I'm sure there's plenty of AKMs in service already, and we've seen 5.56 rifles in front line service, so they're already handling 3 different calibers in their logistical chain, but this isn't simplifying their logistics. They'll use it on the front lines if they have to, but if they don't, it's a weapon best relegated to rear areas. Also, unmagnified optics are easy to use, man. I maintain proficiency with irons, but it's remarkable how simple and fast red dot sights are. Magnified optics give you precision at range, but unmagnified or LPVO dots significantly reduce the amount of time it takes to get a shot off up close. You really want every rifle to have at least a red dot on it, they're that good. Also, those Chinese rifles not only can't mount optics, you can't put lights or lasers on them, either. All of that stuff is useful. If you really want to stick with 7.62x39 systema Kalashnikov rifles, then place a call with Finland, they make the best in the world. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 23:35 on May 21, 2022 |
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Yeah once the Lend-lease weapons and systems start arriving en masse in Ukraine, they'll likely ditch Soviet-era poo poo for NATO stuff, since the US alone is going to fill them with so many guns that the local wildlife will be armed too, just for the sake of simplifying their logistical chain. Having all of your front line battle rifles load 5.56x45 will be nice since any NATO nation can supply that caliber, along with stuff like the M249 cause we will likely start giving those to them too to replace their PKMs and RPKs for logistical reasons.
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It's certainly not a "now" problem, but I've a feeling that if/when this war ends, it's going to be awkward when Ukraine, who has shown an aptitude for reverse-engineering things, starts trying that with all of their "lend-leased" materiel.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It's certainly not a "now" problem, but I've a feeling that if/when this war ends, it's going to be awkward when Ukraine, who has shown an aptitude for reverse-engineering things, starts trying that with all of their "lend-leased" materiel. That bridge will have to be crossed when it is time to cross it. Russia is likely to get its hands on virtually anything the US gives to Ukraine (not necessarily in working order) because of the chaos of battlefield environments, and gear simply getting lost and found. Also, when this is over if the war ends with favorable Ukrainian terms, I don't see a future where Ukraine doesn't enter into a permanent defense pact with other European nations and the US as a hedge against future invasion.
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If Ukraine remains an independent state I don't see any pro Russian faction having any real credibility with the electorate.
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Well we know that’s not true just look at Americans with their heritage not hate.
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Crab Dad posted:Well we know that’s not true just look at Americans with their heritage not hate. Well, okay, maybe in Donbass in Crimea, but outside of those areas, no way in hell. Also, it took something like 50 years for a Democrat to finally win the presidency, and it took the Bull Moose party to make that possible.
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Crab Dad posted:Well we know that’s not true just look at Americans with their heritage not hate. The thing is that in the Civil War, the Confederates only attacked the other sides. It has been a thing that Russia has been just as brutal to Russian-speakers as they have 'the other side'.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:It's certainly not a "now" problem, but I've a feeling that if/when this war ends, it's going to be awkward when Ukraine, who has shown an aptitude for reverse-engineering things, starts trying that with all of their "lend-leased" materiel. Its that they can't afford to clone it because it costs too much friggin' money in the first place for them to even bother with it.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:My understanding is that its not that Ukraine/Russia/China/etc. can't figure out how our new whizbang stuff works. The thing people seem to always forget is that it's not just about understanding how the whizbang stuff works, it's as often more about understanding how the stuff that manufacturers the whizbang stuff works. The US is still rivaled by only a tiny handful of countries when it comes to top-end specialized manufacturing.
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psydude posted:Saving something and reusing it for a good purpose is like the definition of thrift hth The military industrial complex does not like the idea of thrift.
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Jarmak posted:The thing people seem to always forget is that it's not just about understanding how the whizbang stuff works, it's as often more about understanding how the stuff that manufacturers the whizbang stuff works. There is a reason that the 100% made in china aircraft still have american or british engines in them. America has outsourced a lot of manufacturing over my lifetime, and some american workforces are too dumb to run an auto plant line. However, the usa still owns the crown when it comes to high end precision manufacturing like gas turbine engines and the like.
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M_Gargantua posted:The military industrial complex does not like the idea of thrift. Which is why it's all the more refreshing that confiscated weapons are being put to use instead of destroyed.
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Jarmak posted:The thing people seem to always forget is that it's not just about understanding how the whizbang stuff works, it's as often more about understanding how the stuff that manufacturers the whizbang stuff works. Which is baffling given how good the Soviets were at reverse engineering things for mass production internally.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Which is baffling given how good the Soviets were at reverse engineering things for mass production internally. They weren't good at reverse engineering anything that involves complex electronics.
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steinrokkan posted:They weren't good at reverse engineering anything that involves complex electronics. "Figure out a way to replicate these new 'microchips' with vacuum tubes or you'll be  ed!"
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Ever notice that the Russians are basically the only ones still manufacturing stamped and riveted+welded small arms while nearly everyone else, to include the Chinese, have moved onto precision CNC machining? NYET! MANUFACTURING TOLERANCES ARE FINE!
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Which is baffling given how good the Soviets were at reverse engineering things for mass production internally. Lots of us are finally noticing the russia hasn't been the USSR for quite some time.  That particular currency is no longer accepted... along with the rouble.
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A.o.D. posted:Ever notice that the Russians are basically the only ones still manufacturing stamped and riveted+welded small arms while nearly everyone else, to include the Chinese, have moved onto precision CNC machining? In Soviet Russia, tolerances stack you
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Mr. Nice! posted:There is a reason that the 100% made in china aircraft still have american or british engines in them. Or why the whamodyne new Russian missile systems have guidance hardware made in the USA.
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The semiconductor/chip manufacturing capacity gap is probably the most strategically significant manufacturing disparity currently. It takes incredible amounts of money and the timeframe to improve a couple tiers in the tech, even as a nationally funded industry, is in the order of a decade and many billions of dollars. For reference, Russia has the capacity to produce up to I think 90nm chips, which is great, by 2003 standards. (for reference, China is a bit under a decade behind, albeit getting chip self-sufficient is a huge goal of theirs, albeit one that's progressing... slowly. Several chinese tech companies have been designing their own chips, which has been hailed as a step towards self sufficiency, but they're still all being built by samsung/intel/tsmc because no chinese company is within years of having 3nm manufacturing up and running) Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 23:52 on May 22, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1528479457748697088 https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1528448910729089024 The Ukrainian army is holding steady, but it looks like the fighting in the Donbas is absolutely savage. EDIT: For reference, during 1968, the peak of the Vietnam war, the US averaged about 46 deaths per day. I'm sure the Russians are taking even more casualties, but it's hard fought war. golden bubble fucked around with this message at 01:13 on May 23, 2022 |
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So several times that in losses including WIA, MIA, POW; a BTG every day or three. Kinda wonder how long they can keep that up. e: This seriously calls into question any major counteroffensives by them imo. They would surely take even more losses on the offensive vs the defense? Idk how many bursts of for example two weeks of that they can do. aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 01:50 on May 23, 2022 |
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I guess we'll soon find out how limitless (or not) Russia's supply of manpower really is.
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Thats the defender losing 50-100 men/day, what does that mean for the attacker? Russia is applying a lot of pressure and advancing but holy poo poo they must be paying a high price.
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lightpole posted:Thats the defender losing 50-100 men/day, what does that mean for the attacker? Russia is applying a lot of pressure and advancing but holy poo poo they must be paying a high price. russia's likely been around 200/day for much of this (averaging things out a bit) and that level of manpower loss is not really beyond replaceable for either side. Ukraine has the advantage of being mobilized and having a ton of people in the training pipeline. Russia meanwhile is a country of 90m people and 200/day is very much replaceable, albeit it's still a lot and that's a lot of experienced people to lose. They've apparently been pretty aggressively calling up reserves, albeit quietly. tldr war is hell, but probably neither side will run out of bodies to put in uniforms at the current rate
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Nuclear Tourist posted:I guess we'll soon find out how limitless (or not) Russia's supply of manpower really is. Given that their population is a little over 40% the USA's, I'm going to guess less than we all used to think.
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https://twitter.com/sternenko/status/1528411281249665027
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the c-spam line on this is "nazbol is the new tankie", with exactly zero self awareness or irony
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aphid_licker posted:That guy should probably take a pornhub break when you 8841 your existence into a tissue
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